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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 16, 2015 6:44:18 GMT -5
You can always justify your ballot, of course.
I gave it a ten, because I wouldn't change a single thing (i.e.. I don't see any way to improve it).
The poll will be locked, as soon as we reach 50 votes.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 16, 2015 6:52:50 GMT -5
A great series, but I was a little disappointed by the ending with the fake alien. I actually think the movie's ending, using Dr. Manhattan as the supposed threat was a better idea.
(The movie managed to completely miss the point in many instances, alas).
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 16, 2015 7:07:28 GMT -5
Watchmen is undeniably great, definitely one of the most significant works in comics and easily rates a 9/10, even though, like Roquefort Raider, I don't think the fake alien was a great idea. However, I still don't think it's the greatest thing Alan Moore's ever written, or even the best superhero story he's ever written. I still prefer his earlier work, generally.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 16, 2015 7:16:21 GMT -5
To echo RR And tingramretro, the ending rates it a 9. The test for me is that I never get bored rereading it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 7:32:16 GMT -5
Adrian Veidt / Ozymandias - What baffles me about this character why he able to defend himself with all the Watchmen including Dr. Manhattan (Played by Billy Crudup) who supposed to be quite powerful and omniscient (not the right word, but close) seemingly get away with it. That scene still bothers me and because of that scene ... I just can't give it any grade higher than a "7".
The book series written by Alan Moore and artist Dave Gibbons & colorist John Higgins was an average/above average series at best. I give this series a "8" because it was written very solid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 8:51:58 GMT -5
I too was alittle disappointed in the ending...other than that I really don't have any problems with it. Except maybe all that pirate stuff...that kind of dragged it down abit. I give it a 9. Still prefer V for Vendetta though and I've read that ALOT more than Watchmen.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2015 9:20:06 GMT -5
I agree that the film ending made more sense. More importantly, it gave me an opportunity to better empathize with Dr. Manhattan. My biggest obstacle in enjoying Watchmen is that the characters are all such lousy people. I get that this is much of the point (the "watchers" are flawed human beings) but I need characters I care about to drive my interest in a work, and, worse yet, there's a misanthropic "all people suck" theme sort of pervading the entire work. Thus, I admire Watchmen and all that it did to challenge our understanding of superheroes, the Cold War, and even the comic book industry, but I don't love it nor seek out multiple re-readings of it.
On the other hand, V for Vendetta is, in my mind, a more densely plotted, more consistently developed story with a character (or lack thereof) at its center that you can't help but love and believe in. That work can deconstruct an entire society and still find things beautiful about it worth celebrating. It's not all bleak and terrible.
Watchmen is amazing. I gave it a 9. But it's not a ten in my book.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 16, 2015 9:21:38 GMT -5
10 for storytelling, 9 for content.
Cei-U!
I summon the equivocation!
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2015 9:29:35 GMT -5
Incidentally, this poll was an excellent idea, Ozymandias. This community has only been battling over the merits of Watchmen for about half a decade now  |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 16, 2015 9:54:09 GMT -5
Geez Louise! I love Watchmen so much!
I still have the original floppies that I bought one by one at the comic book shop. Every time I would get a new issue, I would read it (I frequently read it in the car in the parking lot), and within a day or two I would read all the issues over again.
I was in my early 20s and it was odd seeing so many of the guys I knew in high school - who had given up comics years before - coming out of the woodwork to read Watchmen (and also Dark Knight, coming out at the same time).
I was a little disappointed by the ending the first time I read it, but I got over it. To me it seemed like Moore was making a concession to genre traditions.
And I love the movie a lot, but I seem to be in a minority in that I don't think that creating a fear of Dr. Manhattan is a better ending than the fake alien threat. It's not any dumber, though, so I can appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 10:09:37 GMT -5
I'll give it an 8. Ground-breaking, ambitious, great world-building... but I loathed all the pirate crap, the "psychic squid" ending was utterly stupid, and I've never been particularly tempted to read it again. I'm also not a fan Dave Gibbons artwork generally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 10:21:39 GMT -5
I'm also not a fan Dave Gibbons artwork generally. As far as Artwork - I will give it around a 6 to a 7. The covers weren't all that impressive either! ... That's brought it down for me. |
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 16, 2015 10:46:05 GMT -5
I'll give it an 8. Ground-breaking, ambitious, great world-building... but I loathed all the pirate crap, the "psychic squid" ending was utterly stupid, and I've never been particularly tempted to read it again. I'm also not a fan Dave Gibbons artwork generally. You may actually be the first person I've ever heard say that. Personally, I love Dave's work. His take on Dan Dare was a big part of my comics reading childhood. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2015 11:06:21 GMT -5
I'll give it an 8. Ground-breaking, ambitious, great world-building... but I loathed all the pirate crap, the "psychic squid" ending was utterly stupid, and I've never been particularly tempted to read it again. I'm also not a fan Dave Gibbons artwork generally. Curse of the Black Freighter was possibly my favorite part. Actually, I think I liked the supplemental material behind it even more -- the idea that, if Superheroes hadn't ended up dominating the comic book industry, something else could have. Moore really sold me on the idea that it could have been the Pirate genre. I really got into Curse of the Black Freighter and awaited the next installment even more intensely than I awaited the playing out of the main plot line, almost as if I was that kid at the newsstand. |
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 16, 2015 11:28:02 GMT -5
Very, very good.
Groundbreaking for it's time, thought provoking, and brought to life one of the most badass anti-heroes in comics history.
9/10
I still don't consider it Alan Moore's greatest contribution (that would easily be his Swamp Thing run for me) nor the greatest thing I've ever read in comics. Still, very good.
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