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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 23:37:28 GMT -5
I find it sad to read some of the member(s) here that both Superboy and Supergirl doesn't belong in the LOSH and I understand the reasons that they stated. To me, I'm old-schooled and I just can't imagine the LOSH without them because they make the group complete with the past and the future. I know many of you here - that I consider retcon a dirty word in my book; but this is one retcon that I can totally accept and having said that I'm fine with Superboy and Supergirl being a part of this super-teen group.
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Post by berkley on Dec 8, 2015 0:30:40 GMT -5
Superboy's presence was one of the reasons I didn't read the Legion. I never bought the book until he was gone. Yeah, I feel much the same. It's pretty much a reflex reaction for me now - the mere sight of the Superman costume, whoever's wearing it, is enough to turn me off a comic. I was so disappointed when they chose a Kirby sketch of Superman for the cover of Kirby Collector #50 that I almost couldn't bring myself to buy a copy: bad enough they didn't choose one of the many great characters Kirby himself created or co-created, but Superman?!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 19:16:42 GMT -5
The Legion was ok, but I always felt like with Superman Jr (Superboy) in there, with the whole Legion, they were practically unbeatable. I love the linkage with Superboy & Supergirl, but more as guest stars. Once Superboy left in # 259, Legion got more enjoyable for me... You're not alone in your feelings about Superboy and Supergirl. By the mid-1960s, it was apparent (based on letters and other feedback) that the Legion had a solid fanbase and could pull its own weight and didn't need the marquee value of a Superboy (or Supergirl). In fact in 1966 one of the LSH writers, E. Nelson Bridwell, with the blessing and cooperation of editor Mort Weisinger, wrote a story to remove the Super cousins from the Legion. The idea was that in the 30th century (2966 AD) an immense cloud of Kyrptonite dust had drifted into the Earth's orbit, so the cousins couldn't travel into the future to participate in Legion adventures/meetings without endangering themselves. The story was quite elaborate--scientific data revealed the cloud would orbit the earth for 2 years before drifting away; the Legion tried every means possible to dispel the cloud but could not; the Supes' memories of the Legion were wiped (by Shrinking Violet, who entered their bloodstreams a la Fantastic Voyage); and before they returned to the 20th century, the cousins selected their own replacements. This story appeared in Adventure #350. Well, when the DC executives/publishers heard about what was planned they went ballistic. No way could you remove Superboy (and Supergirl) from the feature! The LSH had to feature someone with that big S emblem and red cape at all times! So according to Bridwell (in the Legion Outpost book and elsewhere), the second part of the story (appearing in #351) was rewritten and a quite ridiculous "solution" to the cloud problem was tacked on so that Superboy and Supergirl could return to the 30th century.  I totally just ordered that issue. I am deeming that issue the D-Bag issue. I am an awful person because everytime I look at it, it makes me laugh again. I cannot get over how pleasant the others look in the background, and upfront Sg and Sb are crying. It's so awful that it's great. I had to have it. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 8, 2015 19:25:50 GMT -5
Supergirl and Superboy really need to just go back and make friends in their own century!
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 8, 2015 19:40:43 GMT -5
Supergirl and Superboy really need to just go back and make friends in their own century! They had friends, and pets, and they brought them to the future to hang out with The Legion. |
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 8, 2015 19:43:31 GMT -5
I always thought they should replace the name Legion of Super-Heroes with Superboy and His Amazing Friends.  |
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 8, 2015 20:03:09 GMT -5
I love the linkage and inspiration of Superboy, and the occasional appearance, but I like the rest of the group to stand on their own and get more focus.
BTW, speaking of all things Legion, who else here loved L.E.G.I.O.N. back in the day ? That series is criminally overlooked by most.
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 8, 2015 20:21:00 GMT -5
Adventure Comics #350 is actually a pretty important issue in Legion history. It's the cutoff point used by Waid and the Bierbaums during the planning of the 5YL Legion. They deemed any character who was not a member of the team prior to that issue not a "true Legionnaire", which meant many new characters like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf, and Blok got the short end of the stick during their run.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 20:24:36 GMT -5
Adventure Comics #350 is actually a pretty important issue in Legion history. It's the cutoff point used by Waid and the Bierbaums during the planning of the 5YL Legion. They deemed any character who was not a member of the team prior to that issue not a "true Legionnaire", which meant many new characters like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf, and Blok got the short end of the stick during their run. I bow to your true Legion fandom, sir. You are the LoSH Master. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 8, 2015 20:49:07 GMT -5
Adventure Comics #350 is actually a pretty important issue in Legion history. It's the cutoff point used by Waid and the Bierbaums during the planning of the 5YL Legion. They deemed any character who was not a member of the team prior to that issue not a "true Legionnaire", which meant many new characters like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf, and Blok got the short end of the stick during their run. Some of which happen to be my favourite Legionnaires, unfortunately! |
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 8, 2015 21:14:24 GMT -5
Adventure Comics #350 is actually a pretty important issue in Legion history. It's the cutoff point used by Waid and the Bierbaums during the planning of the 5YL Legion. They deemed any character who was not a member of the team prior to that issue not a "true Legionnaire", which meant many new characters like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf, and Blok got the short end of the stick during their run. I bow to your true Legion fandom, sir. You are the LoSH Master. Thank you for the compliment, but I'm a novice compared to most Legion fans out there. In fact, I learned about that little factoid from Tom Bierbaum's blog which can be found here: itsokimasenator.livejournal.com/I highly recommend it if you're a 5YL Legion fan or just curious about the behind the scenes politics at DC during this time.  |
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Post by Farrar on Dec 8, 2015 23:39:37 GMT -5
Adventure Comics #350 is actually a pretty important issue in Legion history. It's the cutoff point used by Waid and the Bierbaums during the planning of the 5YL Legion. They deemed any character who was not a member of the team prior to that issue not a "true Legionnaire", which meant many new characters like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf, and Blok got the short end of the stick during their run. Puzzling why Weisinger and his writers took so long to make Timber Wolf a member. He'd debuted (as Lone Wolf) back in Adventure #327 in 1964 and he seemed to be a hit with the readers, at least if you go by the letter columns. It seems like every few issues back then there was at least one letter asking when he'd return and join the Legion. The editorial responses were along the lines of "We think he's great too, we just need to come up with the right story for his return!" or "Wait'll you see what we have cooked up for him!" But he didn't reappear until nearly 4 years later, in 1968's #372* **...well after the cut-off you mention. *** when he shows up in #372 it's implied he's been a Legion "trainee" for a while |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 8, 2015 23:44:52 GMT -5
Adventure Comics #350 is actually a pretty important issue in Legion history. It's the cutoff point used by Waid and the Bierbaums during the planning of the 5YL Legion. They deemed any character who was not a member of the team prior to that issue not a "true Legionnaire", which meant many new characters like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf, and Blok got the short end of the stick during their run. Puzzling why Weisinger and his writers took so long to make Timber Wolf a member. He'd debuted (as Lone Wolf) back in Adventure #327 in 1964 and he seemed to be a hit with the readers, at least if you go by the letter columns. It seems like every few issues back then there was at least one letter asking when he'd return and join the Legion. The editorial responses were along the lines of "We think he's great too, we just need to come up with the right story for his return!" or "Wait'll you see what we have cooked up for him!" But he didn't reappear until nearly 4 years later, in 1968's #372* **...well after the cut-off you mention. *** when he shows up in #372 it's implied he's been a Legion "trainee" for a while I remember that well. Great intro story, with Light Lass pining away for him, in typical good-girl-loves-bad-but-misunderstood-boy fashion, but then he just vanished. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 8, 2015 23:46:28 GMT -5
Adventure Comics #350 is actually a pretty important issue in Legion history. It's the cutoff point used by Waid and the Bierbaums during the planning of the 5YL Legion. They deemed any character who was not a member of the team prior to that issue not a "true Legionnaire", which meant many new characters like Dawnstar, Wildfire, Timber Wolf, and Blok got the short end of the stick during their run. Puzzling why Weisinger and his writers took so long to make Timber Wolf a member. He'd debuted (as Lone Wolf) back in Adventure #327 in 1964 and he seemed to be a hit with the readers, at least if you go by the letter columns. It seems like every few issues back then there was at least one letter asking when he'd return and join the Legion. The editorial responses were along the lines of "We think he's great too, we just need to come up with the right story for his return!" or "Wait'll you see what we have cooked up for him!" But he didn't reappear until nearly 4 years later, in 1968's #372* **...well after the cut-off you mention. *** when he shows up in #372 it's implied he's been a Legion "trainee" for a while It was pretty odd, wasn't it? Timber Wolf even had one of the best Silver Age costume out of the Legionnaires:  |
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Post by Farrar on Dec 8, 2015 23:58:14 GMT -5
Puzzling why Weisinger and his writers took so long to make Timber Wolf a member. He'd debuted (as Lone Wolf) back in Adventure #327 in 1964 and he seemed to be a hit with the readers, at least if you go by the letter columns. It seems like every few issues back then there was at least one letter asking when he'd return and join the Legion. The editorial responses were along the lines of "We think he's great too, we just need to come up with the right story for his return!" or "Wait'll you see what we have cooked up for him!" But he didn't reappear until nearly 4 years later, in 1968's #372* **...well after the cut-off you mention. *** when he shows up in #372 it's implied he's been a Legion "trainee" for a while I remember that well. Great intro story, with Light Lass pining away for him, in typical good-girl-loves-bad-but-misunderstood-boy fashion, but then he just vanished. Right! He warns her not to get close to him because he's not human (he thinks he's an android). I only read it for the first time a few years ago and I have to say I found it very touching. |
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