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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 9:56:27 GMT -5
It was my understanding they were a hit pretty much immediately and had a bigger role. But so far there has been nothing in their appearances to suggest they're anything more than a means to tell a Superboy story. Like, if someone told me that DC had gone back years after the fact and replaced random one-off Silver Age characters with the Legion die to their becoming popular I'd believe it.
I hope that makes sense. And maybe I just overestimated how immediate their popularity actually was. I'm only about 100 pages into the first omnibus.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 22, 2020 11:58:20 GMT -5
@needs , I think you're right about the Legion's immediate popularity. It grew over time with Legionnaires popping up in Smallville at first, sometimes in Adventure, sometimes in Superboy, even in Action, and then more full-fledged exploits in back-up stories until the Legion became the headliners in Adventure. (That may explain the constant presence of Superboy as the star in those first hundred pages. That's probably only a dozen stories or so, which just about takes them to they graduated to the cover of Adventure 300. Obviously, however, Weisinger and DC felt that the strip needed Superboy as the draw, hence the logo with the Legion "co-starring" with him and his prominence on the covers. And that must have been the case when they made it back to co-billing with Superboy in 1980. Once inside the book, though, Superboy was not a deus ex machina or the alpha hero; he was just one of the team, though respected by his teammates as the legendary archetype of teenage heroes. One of the great appeals of that Silver Age run was that Superboy just seemed like one more kid on the team. One indication? He was never voted LSH leader by the fans, IIRC. Farrar would know that better than I, though.
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Post by dbutler69 on Sept 22, 2020 14:24:14 GMT -5
I agree with Prince Hal that, after the earlier adventures, Superboy really was just another one of the Legionnaires, so it wasn't just "Superboy and his superhero buddies". In other words, the Legion stories do become less Superboy-centric, even though he does appear in all of their adventures. Editorial probably did feel that they needed Superboy (or Supergirl) in there as a draw, but I also think that was erroneous thinking.
I am pretty sure Superboy was never elected leader by the fans...but in Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #225 (cover date March, 1977) Superboy and Wildfire fight. Superboy received the most voted (by the Legionnaires, in the story) for leader, but because he's a part-time member, due to a recent changed in the Legion Constitution, runner-up Wildfire was named leader. Now, in the real election held by the fans which led to this story in the comics, I am pretty sure Wildfire and Superboy did finish 1-2, though I don't remember who won. I think Wildfire did, but I'd have to pull out my back issues and look through the letter columns to be sure.
It's also worth noting that when the Legion got moved to a backup feature in Action, they did have Legion stories without Superboy or Supergirl.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 17:37:46 GMT -5
Editorial probably did feel that they needed Superboy (or Supergirl) in there as a draw, but I also think that was erroneous thinking. This is what caused my confusion. I was under the impression that they moved away from being so Superboy-centric sooner. And I don't mind that I was mistaken; I am enjoying the stories and would gladly buy the omnis even knowing what I now know. I just don't feel like I'm reading LOSH stories and was wondering when that shift would come (if ever). The fact that they also released a line of collections called Superboy & the Legion of Super-Heroes at the same time they were releasing the Silver Age Legion of Super-Heroes omnis added to my confusion, as it lead me to believe the Superboy appearances were not the norm.
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Post by Farrar on Sept 22, 2020 21:26:23 GMT -5
@needs , I think you're right about the Legion's immediate popularity. It grew over time with Legionnaires popping up in Smallville at first, sometimes in Adventure, sometimes in Superboy, even in Action, and then more full-fledged exploits in back-up stories until the Legion became the headliners in Adventure. (That may explain the constant presence of Superboy as the star in those first hundred pages. That's probably only a dozen stories or so, which just about takes them to they graduated to the cover of Adventure 300. Obviously, however, Weisinger and DC felt that the strip needed Superboy as the draw, hence the logo with the Legion "co-starring" with him and his prominence on the covers. And that must have been the case when they made it back to co-billing with Superboy in 1980. Once inside the book, though, Superboy was not a deus ex machina or the alpha hero; he was just one of the team, though respected by his teammates as the legendary archetype of teenage heroes. One of the great appeals of that Silver Age run was that Superboy just seemed like one more kid on the team. One indication? He was never voted LSH leader by the fans, IIRC. Right you are, Prince Hal. Naturally Superboy was the draw at the beginning (and would remain the cover boy due to his extreme identifiability), but the LSH took off and after a while didn't really need to spotlight Kal. This was the same formula that had worked for other Weisinger books of that era such as Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen; just as Lois and Jimmy had, the LSH became viable protagonists on their own and while Supes still appeared in these other books, as things progressed the series in question didn't need to rely so heavily on him. (Of course I am only referring to the Silver Age or 1960s, which is when I was reading these comics.) In fact, the Legion's popularity became so great that in mid-1966, Weisinger okayed E. Nelson Bridwell's idea to have the Super cousins actually leave the team (Legion writers, especially the newest writer Jim Shooter, wanted to concentrate on other characters). So Bridwell wrote a two-issue story (for Adventure#350-351) in which a green Kryptonite cloud settles around the earth in the 30th century, forcing the Legion to honorably discharge Kal and Kara, as they're now unable to participate in any more Legion missions. But evidently someone high up at DC such as Liebowitz or Donenfeld got wind of this plan and demanded that Superboy and Supergirl be returned to the Legion, and a hasty rewrite was done for the last few pages of #351, with the result that the Super cousins are now able to rejoin the team.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 23, 2020 7:34:16 GMT -5
I always liked the Legion but it always felt kind of artificial cause you knew this was Superman as a teenager.
I'll never forget the cover of 259 with Superman flying off. It was that point where the title really took off IMO and I went from liking it to loving it, and it kicked into high gear with The Great Darkness Saga and this mystery villain I didn't know. I had only barely seen Darkseid in a couple of the later issues of New Gods where he looked different under Don Newton.
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Post by dbutler69 on Oct 12, 2020 8:12:11 GMT -5
I was watching The Princess Bride last night, and there's an issue of the Legion of Super-Heroes in Fred Savage's bedroom! I'm not sure exactly which issue, but it's got the cover logo which started in Legion of Super-Heroes #280.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 2, 2021 17:24:16 GMT -5
So I am making a second attempt (aftet two decades) to get into the Legion. I'm reading the Jim Shooter run first, and then I've got The Great Darkness Saga. Just reading the first issue of Shooter's run again, I find the whole thing a lot more appealing, fun, and imaginative than I did the first time around, but I still don't get the appeal of The Karate Kid. The visual look certainly isn't helping. I can understand how impressive it would be to stand toe-to-toe with all the supers just on your own skill and training, but the Legion is all about imaginative fancy, and neither the Karate Kid's powers nor depressingly muted colors seem to capture that.
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 3, 2021 8:48:39 GMT -5
I wasn't around when Shooter was active, but I'm sure those issues back then were thrilling. Some big stuff happened ! but they're more curiosities now IMO. The title really started to come into its own when Superboy left, and kicked into high gear with the Great Darkness Saga and later with the Baxter series.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 3, 2021 9:53:28 GMT -5
I wasn't around when Shooter was active, but I'm sure those issues back then were thrilling. Some big stuff happened ! but they're more curiosities now IMO. The title really started to come into its own when Superboy left, and kicked into high gear with the Great Darkness Saga and later with the Baxter series. Right now, I'm kind of loving the campiness and big imagination of the whole thing. I'd imagine that goes away by the time of the Giffen Era. I expect to love both runs for entirely different reasons.
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Post by brutalis on Mar 3, 2021 12:27:27 GMT -5
I wasn't around when Shooter was active, but I'm sure those issues back then were thrilling. Some big stuff happened ! but they're more curiosities now IMO. The title really started to come into its own when Superboy left, and kicked into high gear with the Great Darkness Saga and later with the Baxter series. Right now, I'm kind of loving the campiness and big imagination of the whole thing. I'd imagine that goes away by the time of the Giffen Era. I expect to love both runs for entirely different reasons. Yeah, Legion covers all the ages of growing up. The little kid beginning to read to teen/puberty to young college to adult. Pick whatever suits your reading mood and you will find something in the LOSH to enjoy.
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Post by The Cheat on Mar 3, 2021 14:16:24 GMT -5
I just finished reading the first Silver Age omnibus (the pre-Shooter stuff) and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Just good silly fun. Looking forward to revisiting the contents of volume 2 after I take a brief sojourn into some Conan stuff.
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 3, 2021 16:00:13 GMT -5
Love Levitz / Giffen and later v4 Giffen. Even though I hated losing my "darker" Legion after Zero Hour, I loved the Archie Legion with Legion of Super-Heroes, Legionnaires, and L.E.G.I.O.N. / R.E.B.E.L.S. in DCU present. The 90's were a great time to be a Legion reader.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 11:40:42 GMT -5
I've posted my love for the Legion in a few other places, but thought I'd finally add to this thread! Grew up on 70's Legion (still my favorite), lived the Levitz/Giffen years, read the Silver Age run in the Adventure Comics digests in the early 80's before later getting the Archives. Besides the well-known creative teams and story arcs/events from those classic eras, there was a period from '84 to '85 I always found interesting. At that time, things were changing quickly. The Levitz/Giffen era had been exciting, but Giffen suddenly made the well-known art style change, there was the launch of the direct market series with Karate Kid going down, and we didn't know it yet, but this was the last hurrah before Crisis on Infinite Earths really made a continuity mess of things. As many Legion fans from that era may recall, the regular Legion title was published with new content for one more year along side the new direct market series (it would become a reprint series after that before finally getting cancelled). But for that one glorious year, we had TWO Legion titles to enjoy each month! Now, the direct market series was the flagship. The Legion of Super-Villains story arc, death of Karate Kid, return of Ayla Ranzz now Lightning Lass again...this was where all events of consequence were happening. The other series had more standalone tales spotlighting certain team members. Yet as I look back on it all, I think there was some great stuff there: Legion of Super-Heroes #314
Begins a 3-part origin story for the White Witch (very awesome character), plus the reveal that a long-time Science Police character may be a double agent for the Dark Circle. I love the cover on this one! Legion of Super-Heroes #317One of my favorite Wildfire stories ever. Wildfire and the second Invisible Kid are trapped in another dimension, and dreams can become reality. As you can see from the cover, Wildfire has his human body back again in this! It also ties into the original Invisible Kid, Lyle Norg...very creative story! (had to edit my original post, kept calling Wildfire "Wildstar", can you tell I was watching Star Blazers last night?) Legion of Super-Heroes #318
Another great looking cover! Shadow Lass and Mon-El are on her homeworld Talok VIII, the Persuader of the Fatal Five is causing havoc. Legion of Super-Heroes #321First of an epic 3-parter featuring Dawnstar and Brainiac 5 lost in space! Another fun little story arc. The year rounds out wrapping up the loose ends on the Dark Circle storyline, and then the title becomes a reprint of the direct market series. Looking back, again I think these were very much the last hurrah of the pre-Crisis Legion with a relatively lighter tone than some of what was going on in the other series at that time.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 13, 2021 14:23:10 GMT -5
Welcome, @supercat! I grew up with the 70's Legion (I started collecting with Earthwar in 1978) and the Levitz Legion is definitely my first love, and I have to say that the Baxter series was pretty awesome. And two Legion titles per month - and both Levitz titles, no less - it was a great time to be a Legion fan!
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