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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 20, 2015 21:16:23 GMT -5
Wolverine is Marvel's Timber Wolf. I cannot believe how blatant they are/were with that. They even look very similar to each other. Supposedly Nightcrawler is almost 100% a character Cockrum planned for the Legion. The Nightcrawler theory is true. He was even going to have a gold costume instead of his original red! He would have been part of a team called The Outsiders.
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 20, 2015 21:18:11 GMT -5
Man! And I thought Stan Lee wrote dramatic characters, and he does, but holy hell. These guys are gloriously dramatic. I love it. I would love to read a reactions thread where you gave your thoughts on each issue!
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 21, 2015 1:30:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 7:27:41 GMT -5
Thank you, Dupersuper! Those are incredibly helpful!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 7:29:40 GMT -5
Man! And I thought Stan Lee wrote dramatic characters, and he does, but holy hell. These guys are gloriously dramatic. I love it. I would love to read a reactions thread where you gave your thoughts on each issue! Oh, I would LOVE to do this, however, I do not want to commit to something like that because I get super busy with life, and I cannot always make it online to do that. Plus, I may be reading them out of order, all over the place, so it might be weird. But thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 8:07:55 GMT -5
My Favorite Male LOSH is Colossal BoyMy Favorite Female LOSH is Triplicate Girl - Duo Damsel I like the animated cartoons, and it's adventures in the Silver Age ... I have no history of them in the Bronze Age and I find this team very fascinating and more I think about this thread - I should considered some of them in my 50 greatest costumes. I regretted that and I find this Youthful Team very exciting, and they were hip, and I consider them very attractive for many young comic book readers. I see them as Teen Titans on Steroids. or Teen Titans Unlimited. I had fun reading their adventures too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 8:47:37 GMT -5
I had fun reading their adventures too. I have been reading bronze age LSH, and it's full of dramatic goodness. You should read some.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 21, 2015 10:21:51 GMT -5
My first LSH issue was an Earthwar issue too! I really got interested in the Legion with The Great Darkness Saga and wanted to know as much as I could about each Legion member. I would purchase the Adventure digests to learn about their pasts. When a comic shop opened, I bought as many old Action, Adventure, Superboy, and SB and LSH comics I could get my hands on! I followed the LSH religiously from around 1982 until the Magic Wars in the baxter series. Lost interest with the 5 years later story. I did pick up the Legionaires series in the 90s. I was very happy when the LSH I remembered appeared in the Geoff Johns/Gary Frank Action story several years ago. I read the last incarnation of LSH just before the new 52. I would love to see a new series. Favorite LSH members are Cosmic Boy, Mon-El, Ultra Boy, Shadow Lass, Dream Girl, Sunboy, Starboy, White Witch, Dawnstar, Timber Wolf, Element Lad, Superboy, Supergirl, the Legion subs, Colossal Boy, Karate Kid, Wildfire, and Invisible Kid (Jacques). The thing I loved about the LSH was that they never lost hope no matter what they faced. The big cast with all the different powers and personalities, and the fun costumes made for a very exciting team. Ah, I loved those digest sized Adventure Comics! Such cute lil comics. Luckily, I still have them. At the other end of the spectrum, I had the two treasury sized Legion of Super-Heroes comics, including that all-time classic, the wedding of Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl! My dad had thrown all of my treasury sized comics long ago, but I was able to re-acquire those two a couple of years ago. I followed the Legion starting with Earthwar, straight through to Magic Wars. I picked up back issues both of Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes and of Adventure (though Adventure was usually out of my price range) and only in the past few years started looking at post-Magic Wars Legion. They each have something positive to bring to the Legion mythos, but the pre-Five Years Later legion is by far my favorite, especially the Levitz stuff! I hated the art and "costumes" on Five Years Later, and the stories were darker than I'd like, but there was some good stuff, especially Matter Eater Lad. I did enjoy the "Archie Legion", at least the stuff I've read. The Waid Legion was reasonably well written, but nothing like the real Legion, and so I did not really care for it. If he had started from scratch with some other group than the LOSH, it may have been better received, at least by me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 10:56:50 GMT -5
I would love to see a new series. Favorite LSH members are Cosmic Boy, Mon-El, Ultra Boy, Shadow Lass, Dream Girl, Sunboy, Starboy, White Witch, Dawnstar, Timber Wolf, Element Lad, Superboy, Supergirl, the Legion subs, Colossal Boy, Karate Kid, Wildfire, and Invisible Kid (Jacques). The thing I loved about the LSH was that they never lost hope no matter what they faced. The big cast with all the different powers and personalities, and the fun costumes made for a very exciting team. Playing catch-up on this exciting thread here - I would welcome a new series if they had a creative writer that can master a multitude of heroes in the LOSH. What you said here - they never lost hope no matter what they faced ... and the fun costumes made for a very exciting team was spot on. I totally forgot all about them and now this thread sparks new interests in the LOSH.
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 21, 2015 11:22:17 GMT -5
Somebody mentioned that the Legion of Super-Heroes was a backup feature in Action Comics after it was booted from Adventure Comics and before it was placed in Superboy's comic. That sounds familiar, so I must have heard about this at some point, but I've never seen any of those stories and I've never heard anybody talk about them. I'm assuming it wasn't a great time for the Legion. I went to the Comic Book Database to get a few basic facts and to look at the covers. The Legion of Super-Heroes appeared in Action Comics from #377 (June 1969) to #392 (September 1970). The covers all show scenes from the Superman stories. Above the masthead for Action Comics, each issue has a blurb that says: SUPERMAN &
THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES Here's the cover to #388. Cosmic Boy and Saturn Girl are in the background. The Legion story in #388 is a reprint from Adventure Comics #302. To give you an idea of what the stories were like, here's the CBD summary of the story from #392: "Princess Projectra and Saturn Girl return from a mission to find they have been replaced by Prince Projectur and Saturn Lad. Why has the Legion forgotten who they are? Mon-El is also sworn in as the new Legion leader." Written by Cary Bates. Art by Win Mortimer and Jack Abel. (Jack Abel inked some of the issues of "Superboy starring the Legion of Super-Heroes" that I have from later in the 1970s.) Here's the cover to #392. I included it because it has the Super-Sons, and I know some of the people at CCF - including me - love to make fun of the Super-Sons. I had no idea they were ever in Action Comics. According to CBD, this is Mort Weisinger's last continuous issue as editor.
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 21, 2015 11:27:34 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that the covers on Action Comics #377 to #392 are provided mostly by Murphy Anderson and Curt Swan, with a few of the earlier ones by Neal Adams. So they look nice.
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Post by Farrar on Nov 21, 2015 14:24:18 GMT -5
Wolverine is Marvel's Timber Wolf. I cannot believe how blatant they are/were with that. They even look very similar to each other. Everything but the claws! Too bad there was no Legion movie. Hugh Jackman was great as Wolverine but I've always felt he's a dead ringer for Timber Wolf.
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Post by Farrar on Nov 21, 2015 14:32:49 GMT -5
... Dave Cockrum was the artist on The Legion of Super-Heroes. Eventually he got tired of working for DC and moved to Marvel where one of his first assignments was revamping the X-Men. Apparently, a lot of the designs in the X-Men were based at least partially on designs for Legion characters... Cockrum's costume for Polaris (from 1976) always reminded me of his earlier design for Shrinking Violet.
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Post by Farrar on Nov 21, 2015 15:00:43 GMT -5
Somebody mentioned that the Legion of Super-Heroes was a backup feature in Action Comics after it was booted from Adventure Comics and before it was placed in Superboy's comic. That sounds familiar, so I must have heard about this at some point, but I've never seen any of those stories and I've never heard anybody talk about them. I'm assuming it wasn't a great time for the Legion... I've mentioned a couple of times, probably in some Subscription threads, that after a lot of begging and wheedling my parents bought me a subscription to Adventure Comics back when the LSH was the main feaure. A couple of months into the Adventure subscription, the LSH was replaced by Supergirl and the Legion was shoved into a few back pages in Action. Man, was I upset! What a waste of a hard-won subscription. The move to Action was disastrous IMO. The Legion went from a full-length feature to a back-up slot. Given the much smaller number of pages, only a few characters could be featured in any given story, which made the stories more "intimate"--not a good fit for a big team that was formerly involved in grander sci fi based tales. I didn't mind the first such Action story since it starred two of my faves--Light Lass and Timber Wolf (incidentally, in a drug addiction story, 30th century style--two years before Spider-Man's) but the following stories were excruciatingly banal to me. One story had Shrinking Violet going on a date with Matter-Eater Lad. There were some interesting touches-- Shooter wrote that ME Lad was supporting his parents (guess he was writing what he himself was going through)--but not enough to compensate for the lack of grandeur and scope that had been a Legion hallmark. I struggled through a few more Action issues, then lost interest and stopped reading the comic. I've only read the complete Action run in the past few years, courtesy of the Archives--the stories are OK but I really don't think I missed much back then.
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Post by Farrar on Nov 21, 2015 15:07:47 GMT -5
Here's Princess Projectra and Shadow Lass in some reader-designed costumes that didn't last very long. This is from Superboy #183, 1972. I didn't know about these costumes until very recently. There's an editor's note on the front page of the story saying that these costumes were shown in Adventure Comics #403 but the story in Superboy #183 is the first time they were worn. I don't know how long they lasted. Yes, here are the "best" of the reader-submitted costumes as shown in Adventure #403 (64 page Giant). These are also reprinted in vol. 10 of the Legion Archives.
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