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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 13:45:30 GMT -5
I'm really surprised people are struggling with this year's assignment. I think it's the criteria that the creator has to be involved in both writing and drawing. Very few people in the mainstream comics industry do both, let alone do both well.  If by mainstream, you mean super-hero, sure it might be a little limiting, but if you go beyond super-heroes, there are limitless possibilities. -M |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 28, 2015 14:02:38 GMT -5
I'm really surprised people are struggling with this year's assignment. Well, I can't speak for others, but I for one don't really read comic strips... I have some interest in some of the old stuff, but it's not that high on my list. Very few comic creators both write and draw well... most either write well and are medicore artists (Bendis, Bill Willingham) or are great artists that are medicore writers (Perez, Byrne). I guess some indy people like Dave Sim qualify, but I haven't a clue how to compare that to, say, Peanuts or Dr. Suess. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 14:12:21 GMT -5
I racked my brains for 2 hours on this assignment and I got 8 out of 12 done and I hope to have the other 4 in a day or two and thinking about all the comic books and comic newspaper strips that I read in 50 plus years. I'm struggling with the last four and I have to think really hard on this.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 28, 2015 14:29:33 GMT -5
This is a great topic! Came up with a dozen in about ten minutes, but of course, will be adding more for my consideration.
Heavy on the strips and political cartoonists, which is just fine with me.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2015 14:30:43 GMT -5
I'm really surprised people are struggling with this year's assignment. I think it's the criteria that the creator has to be involved in both writing and drawing. Very few people in the mainstream comics industry do both, let alone do both well. Even without getting into indy publishing and newspaper strips, you've got some core easy choices: Kirby Byrne Perez Barka Rosa Miller Simonson And Liefeld just for comic potential  |
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 28, 2015 14:47:31 GMT -5
I think I have a top 11, 17 contenders for the 12th spot, and still need to think more about comic strips.
If this is the 31 Days of Christmas, I'm all set.
If not, I have some eliminatin' to do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 14:47:36 GMT -5
I think it's the criteria that the creator has to be involved in both writing and drawing. Very few people in the mainstream comics industry do both, let alone do both well. Even without getting into indy publishing and newspaper strips, you've got some core easy choices: Kirby Byrne Perez Barks Rosa Miller Simonson And Liefeld just for comic potential Just from mainstream comics (Marvel/DC mostly) as well... Joe Kubert
Darwyn Cooke (not sure if date eligible though)
Jim Steranko
Jim Starlin
Mike Mignola
Matt Wagner
Howard Chaykin
Mike Grell
Eastman and Laird (they both do all 3 in the collaborations between them, but not 100% sure they qualify)
Dan Parent
William Messner-Loebs and that's not going into European creators (Herge, Moebius, Druillet etc.) , strip artists whose stuff has been collected in comics (Will Eisner, Walt Kelly, Milton Caniff, Alex Raymond, etc.) indy folks ( Joe Sacco, Dylan Horrocks, art spiegleman, Chris Ware, Stan Sakai, Dave Sim, Wendy Pini, Terry Moore, Dave Stevens, Jeff Smith etc.) or pure strip creators (Breathed, Trudeau, Hal Foster, Watterson, etc.) , creators typically known as artists who have done a handful of their own projects with all the heavy lifting (Barry Windsor-Smith, P. Craig Russell, etc.) underground creators (Jack Katz, Larry Gonick. etc.) So many varied choices, it's ridiculous. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 15:02:18 GMT -5
And to give a few more female creators their due- Carla Speed MacNeil
Linda Medley
Colleen Doran
Trina Robbins and few more I thought of since the last post- Eric Shanower
Scott McLoud
Michael T. Gilbert
Rick Veitch
Gary Spenser Millidge
Eddie Campbell
Los Brothers Hernandez
Jason Lutes
Jeff Nicholson
Dan Jurgens ... -M |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 28, 2015 15:09:05 GMT -5
Even without getting into indy publishing and newspaper strips, you've got some core easy choices: Kirby Byrne Perez Barks Rosa Miller Simonson And Liefeld just for comic potential Just from mainstream comics (Marvel/DC mostly) as well... Joe Kubert Darwyn Cooke (not sure if date eligible though) Jim Steranko Jim Starlin Mike Mignola Matt Wagner Howard Chaykin Mike Grell Eastman and Laird (they both do all 3 in the collaborations between them, but not 100% sure they qualify) Dan Parent William Messner-Loebs and that's not going into European creators (Herge, Moebius, Druillet etc.), strip artists whose stuff has been collected in comics (Will Eisner, Walt Kelly, Milton Caniff, Alex Raymond, etc.) indy folks ( Joe Sacco, Dylan Horrocks, art spiegleman, Chris Ware, Stan Sakai, Dave Sim, Wendy Pini, Terry Moore, Dave Stevens, Jeff Smith etc.) or pure strip creators (Breathed, Trudeau, Hal Foster, Watterson, etc.), creators typically known as artists who have done a handful of their own projects with all the heavy lifting (Barry Windsor-Smith, P. Craig Russell, etc.) underground creators (Jack Katz, Larry Gonick. etc.) So many varied choices, it's ridiculous. -M You and I already have a very similar list, m! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 15:16:51 GMT -5
Heck, I need to stop thinking of possibilities for my list and start narrowing them down to viable choices for me. I am pretty sure my #1 and #2 spots are locked down (though they might flip flop order a few times between them before all is said an done). I need ot do a little fact checking for dates on some stuff too to make sure they are eligible for the classic date cutoff.
-M
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 28, 2015 15:26:12 GMT -5
99% sure on my Number One, very close on Numbers 2 and 3. In some ways, Numbers 4-12 could almost go in any order. So many excellent possibilities.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 28, 2015 15:39:46 GMT -5
I think it's the criteria that the creator has to be involved in both writing and drawing. Very few people in the mainstream comics industry do both, let alone do both well. Even without getting into indy publishing and newspaper strips, you've got some core easy choices: Kirby Byrne Perez Barka Rosa Miller Simonson And Liefeld just for comic potential Kurtzman, Feldstein, Wood, Wolverton, Kubert More recently Ordway. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 16:18:09 GMT -5
I got all my 12 Creators in order - Six Comics Books and Six Newspaper Comic Strips - some of them you'll be surprised of my selections and I just can't wait to share Number 12 to Number 1 ... in a few days ahead!
Great Subject Matter Cei-U!
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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2015 16:24:17 GMT -5
Even without getting into indy publishing and newspaper strips, you've got some core easy choices: Kirby Byrne Perez Barks Rosa Miller Simonson And Liefeld just for comic potential Just from mainstream comics (Marvel/DC mostly) as well... Joe Kubert Darwyn Cooke (not sure if date eligible though) Jim Steranko Jim Starlin Mike Mignola Matt Wagner Howard Chaykin Mike Grell Eastman and Laird (they both do all 3 in the collaborations between them, but not 100% sure they qualify) Dan Parent William Messner-Loebs and that's not going into European creators (Herge, Moebius, Druillet etc.), strip artists whose stuff has been collected in comics (Will Eisner, Walt Kelly, Milton Caniff, Alex Raymond, etc.) indy folks ( Joe Sacco, Dylan Horrocks, art spiegleman, Chris Ware, Stan Sakai, Dave Sim, Wendy Pini, Terry Moore, Dave Stevens, Jeff Smith etc.) or pure strip creators (Breathed, Trudeau, Hal Foster, Watterson, etc.), creators typically known as artists who have done a handful of their own projects with all the heavy lifting (Barry Windsor-Smith, P. Craig Russell, etc.) underground creators (Jack Katz, Larry Gonick. etc.) So many varied choices, it's ridiculous. -M I hadn't considered Ordway or Starlin. Good calls! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 28, 2015 17:21:37 GMT -5
You guys are giving all the answers away.
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