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Post by sunofdarkchild on Mar 27, 2016 9:08:28 GMT -5
I assumed it was supposed to be metaphorical, but they did a horrible job presenting that. Every other time there was a dream sequence there was a clear shift of the color pallet and Bruce woke up right afterwards. There was nothing in the version I saw to suggest it was anything but real other than the ridiculousness of what was happening.
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Post by Pharozonk on Mar 27, 2016 9:49:14 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. I actually liked it. It definitely could have been shorter and I think it was edited poorly, but I liked the plot and the issues it raised, as well as the performances. I dislike that Batman kills, but his character is written well. Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman is a perfect fit. And I was surprised by the ending. (I did see it coming a couple of minutes before it happened, but even then I was surprised they were willing to go there.) The part I found the worst was young Bruce being lifted by the bats. I was laughing at the stupidity of that moment. One thing I really liked was how the fact that Bruce and Clark's mothers share the same name was a plot point.[/spoil] I actually thought the fact that the drudged up one of the most inconsequential aspects of comic continuity minutiae to be one of the dumbest plot contrivances in the movie. It makes no sense from a characterization standpoint for Batman to completely reverse his view on Superman in the span of a few minutes because of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2016 13:07:27 GMT -5
Right now (reported 2 hours ago) this movie grossed over $424 Million Dollars! ... It was budgeted at $250 Million. Read Link for more Info: Batman v Superman |
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Post by Warmonger on Mar 27, 2016 13:48:25 GMT -5
Right now (reported 2 hours ago) this movie grossed over $424 Million Dollars! ... It was budgeted at $250 Million. Read Link for more Info: Batman v SupermanI was expecting more than that considering it opened in 66 markets (including China). In contrast, the Avengers initially opened in 37 markets (China not included) I believe and only grossed something like $32 million less during its opening weekend. |
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Post by Warmonger on Mar 27, 2016 14:30:07 GMT -5
Holy crap...and people say this hack is a comic book fan?
This is the guy that's essentially in charge of the DCCU for the foreseeable future. Brace yourselves.
He's like an ultra-pretentious version of Michael Bay.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Mar 27, 2016 15:14:43 GMT -5
The idea that Batman doesn't kill comes from the Burton movies? The same one where he throws people off skyscrapers, burns people alive, and grins as he attaches ticking bombs to people? Not the comics from years earlier where he has inner monologues about not being a killer?
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Mar 27, 2016 15:21:15 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. I actually liked it. It definitely could have been shorter and I think it was edited poorly, but I liked the plot and the issues it raised, as well as the performances. I dislike that Batman kills, but his character is written well. Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman is a perfect fit. And I was surprised by the ending. (I did see it coming a couple of minutes before it happened, but even then I was surprised they were willing to go there.) The part I found the worst was young Bruce being lifted by the bats. I was laughing at the stupidity of that moment. One thing I really liked was how the fact that Bruce and Clark's mothers share the same name was a plot point.[/spoil] I actually thought the fact that the drudged up one of the most inconsequential aspects of comic continuity minutiae to be one of the dumbest plot contrivances in the movie. It makes no sense from a characterization standpoint for Batman to completely reverse his view on Superman in the span of a few minutes because of that. The point was that that was the moment he started to see Superman as a person instead of just an alien threat or false god. For the first time he saw someone like himself, with parents and other loved ones. And he saw a chance for redemption for failing to save his own parents and a reminder of what he was originally fighting for. |
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Mar 27, 2016 23:00:14 GMT -5
Saw it. And well, I loved it. Batfleck pulled it off. I loved this version of Batman. LOVED! WW is stunning. The action scenes were phenomenal. They threw so much stuff into this movie. A normal movie goer no doubt will get confused, but to a comic book geek that lives and breathes DC Universe nostalgia...those dream sequences, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? For me, this movie delivered.
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Post by batlaw on Mar 28, 2016 2:15:37 GMT -5
Saw it last night. It was better than I expected. Or at least I enjoyed it more than I expected to. It's nec a "good" movie. nor do I feel they made good choices or went in good directions with this project as a whole from inception, but it was entertaining and enjoyable. Much better than man of steel. The "Superman" of this universe is still an awful interpretation and he really doesn't have any arc or growth in bvs but cavil is still likable regardless. Batman makes this movie. I suspected he would and was optimistic this might turn out to be the best screen batman to date. Personally , I'm thinking so. Even with the couple issues I had with him. Wonder Woman impressed me a great deal too. I desperately wanted to see more of her and I'm glad. She could've gone either way. Happy I liked her despite her accent which did kindve bug me a little.
Worst aspect was eisenberg / Luthor (which I anticipated). Had he been any other character in any other movie, he might've been at least entertaining. But here he was simply "wtf"?! The story, direction, ideas and concepts were all over the place and very little was followed through with or resolved. All in all it could've been a lot worse and I expected it to be. It's not what I wanted or what I think it should've been. but it's ok.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 8:27:59 GMT -5
I saw it yesterday and I loved it. I have been reading DC comics since I learned to read (around 1977) and followed these characters off and on since then. I thought Ben Affleck was great as Batman, Jeremy Irons was outstanding as Alfred, Gal Gadot-- she's good and very beautiful. She portrays a coolness in her scenes as Diana Prince reminiscent of Lynda Carter in the late 70s show. I don't find Henry Cavil wooden or boring--and I saw plenty of chemistry between him and Amy Adams. I find the restraint he brings to the role necessary. Superman is the most powerful man in the world and in this movie, he still hasn't been Superman long. To me it makes sense he holds back a bit. I loved Diane Lane's role in the movie as well as Amy Adams. Eisenberg as Luthor--pure evil and manipulation. There were aspects of the movie that I thought could've been different, but overall I enjoyed the movie from start to finish (and I am a die-hard Superman fan).
I understand the movie is not to everyone's liking, but I enjoyed it.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 28, 2016 15:32:09 GMT -5
So, if I hated Man of Steel, and if I'm not a fan of Batman's characterization in Miller's Dark Knight Returns, is there still any chance of my enjoying this film? I hadn't been planning to see it, but I'm impressed that it's getting some positive reviews here.
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Post by Warmonger on Mar 28, 2016 15:51:06 GMT -5
So, if I hated Man of Steel, and if I'm not a fan of Batman's characterization in Miller's Dark Knight Returns, is there still any chance of my enjoying this film? I hadn't been planning to see it, but I'm impressed that it's getting some positive reviews here. Depends on why you hated Man of Steel... If you didn't like the films portrayal of the character and thought that the general tone was too downtrodden...then this movie just reinforces that. Even ups it a notch. And if you weren't a fan of a "darker" Batman in TDKR...well, this Batman is straight up murdering dudes with no remorse. I actually thought Affleck did a pretty good job, I just didn't understand why they went in that general direction with the character. And in my mind, if you're going to portray Batman in that light...then run with it. He's been telling us in the comics for decades that he would never kill because once he crosses that line, there's no turning back and he would essentially go on to "punish" criminals ala Frank Castle for the rest of his days. Which I know Joker basically called him out on in the "Death in the Family" ark (if I'm not mistaken), but still... It would be pretty lame to have Superman "reform" him just in time for Justice League. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 28, 2016 16:00:46 GMT -5
So, if I hated Man of Steel, and if I'm not a fan of Batman's characterization in Miller's Dark Knight Returns, is there still any chance of my enjoying this film? I hadn't been planning to see it, but I'm impressed that it's getting some positive reviews here. Depends on why you hated Man of Steel... If you didn't like the films portrayal of the character and thought that the general tone was too downtrodden...then this movie just reinforces that. Even ups it a notch. I was actually okay with both of those aspects. What turned me off was the nonsensical plot, the excessive reach of Jor-El to the point that Superman really wasn't the one making things happen even up to the climactic battle, the excessive CG, the overly saturated and lens-flared post-production effects, the excessive product placements, and especially the pace, which contained so much drawn-out action that it actually began to feel like tedious white noise. I got bored. But Superman's characterization? I feel like he really didn't have one in that film. Seems like he was always looking moody, punching something, or being told what to think and do by Jor-El. Come to think of it, I'm not sure anyone received much characterization in that film. Lots of arch-types with very little personality. If my recollection of the film is somewhat unfair or inaccurate, it's probably because I've had absolutely zero desire to go back and see it again. So is Snyder doing similar stuff in the new film? |
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 28, 2016 16:01:24 GMT -5
So, if I hated Man of Steel, and if I'm not a fan of Batman's characterization in Miller's Dark Knight Returns, is there still any chance of my enjoying this film? I don't think so. Luthor is a worse villain than Zod. Doomsday is less effective menace than Zod. As has been mentioned, the presence of Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg feels shoehorned. There's the strange trance/dream/vision sequence, which supposedly should help with Batman's motivation, but is just out of place and does nothing for the plot. The conflict between the main characters is basically halfcocked, and ends accordingly. Anything you could enjoy, was already in MoS, except for Wonder Woman and Batman. I think they're enjoyable and, since we aren't talking of Miller's Dark Knight Returns, you may enjoy them both too. Will that be enough for you? I don't think so. |
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Post by Warmonger on Mar 28, 2016 16:12:04 GMT -5
Depends on why you hated Man of Steel... If you didn't like the films portrayal of the character and thought that the general tone was too downtrodden...then this movie just reinforces that. Even ups it a notch. I was actually okay with both of those aspects. What turned me off was the nonsensical plot, the excessive reach of Jor-El to the point that Superman really wasn't the one making things happen even up to the climactic battle, the excessive CG, the overly saturated and lens-flared post-production effects, the excessive product placements, and especially the pace, which contained so much drawn-out action that it actually began to feel like tedious white noise. I got bored. But Superman's characterization? I feel like he really didn't have one in that film. Seems like he was always looking moody, punching something, or being told what to think and do by Jor-El. Come to think of it, I'm not sure anyone received much characterization in that film. Lots of arch-types with very little personality. If my recollection of the film is somewhat unfair or inaccurate, it's probably because I've had absolutely zero desire to go back and see it again. So is Snyder doing similar stuff in the new film? Lens flare galore (a Snyder staple if he has one), Excessive CG, horrendous pacing and editing issues, and once again...Cavill plays Superman in the mopey, listless way portrayed in Man of Steel. It's essentially a Batman movie with Superman and Wonder Woman tacked on. And Eisenberg as Lex is truly horrendous. I never understood that one in the first place. Next they might as well cast Michael Cera to play Darkseid. All in all, Affleck as Batman was the best thing about this movie, even if I think they personally took it too far. I'd definitely be interested in a solo Batman flick with Affleck, especially if he's directing instead of Snyder. And Gadot as Wonder Woman really is gorgeous and her grand entrance was the one thing people in my theater cheered. She did a nice job, but only had a few lines of dialogue. Still not entirely sure she can carry her own film. |
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