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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Mar 28, 2016 16:32:16 GMT -5
So, if I hated Man of Steel, and if I'm not a fan of Batman's characterization in Miller's Dark Knight Returns, is there still any chance of my enjoying this film? I hadn't been planning to see it, but I'm impressed that it's getting some positive reviews here. I didn't exactly hate Man of Steel, but probably will never watch it again. That said, BvS is eons better than that film. Watching MoS now sounds like a complete and utter bore compared to watching BvS. As far as Batman, I wouldn't necessarily compare him to Miller's DKR version although some aspects are similar. They did a good job at giving us the Batman we all know and love while introducing a darker aspect that just fits. What stands out for me were Batman's action scenes, just amazing. He is such a beast in this film, which is the way I like him. I'd be willing to bet you may have a problem with some of the plot issues, such as the way Batman and Supes begin their bromance, etc. And this Lex Luthor may not appeal to you. But other parts such as the dreams of future storylines and characters that pop up out of nowhere you may appreciate as I did. Just when I thought it was over there is another hour to the movie, which really wowed me. They made the final battle completely bonkers, like something straight out of the comics. This is probably my favorite superhero movie to date. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 28, 2016 16:32:37 GMT -5
Lens flare galore (a Snyder staple if he has one), Excessive CG, horrendous pacing and editing issues, and once again...Cavill plays Superman in the mopey, listless way portrayed in Man of Steel. It's essentially a Batman movie with Superman and Wonder Woman tacked on. And Eisenberg as Lex is truly horrendous. I never understood that one in the first place. Next they might as well cast Michael Cera to play Darkseid. All in all, Affleck as Batman was the best thing about this movie, even if I think they personally took it too far. I'd definitely be interested in a solo Batman flick with Affleck, especially if he's directing instead of Snyder. And Gadot as Wonder Woman really is gorgeous and her grand entrance was the one thing people in my theater cheered. She did a nice job, but only had a few lines of dialogue. Still not entirely sure she can carry her own film. I agree that pace is a problem, but some parts have good rhythm, it just is inconsistent throughout the film. I actually liked the visual aspect of both movies (FX, picture, designs…). Cavill plays a character I can understand, he's the last of his species, which he helped exterminate defending an alien world that doesn't exactly love him, human morality weights him down… of all the things he could do for fun, he lives quite a miserable life. I agree with the rest without hesitation. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 28, 2016 17:22:10 GMT -5
I hated the theatre cut of the first lord of the ring movie. I loved the extended cut. I hated 300, Sucker Punch, Watchmen, so I wouldn't say Snyder is my cup of tea, quite the opposite in fact. But To be fair, one must admit that the guy tries things and has some kind of vision. I kinda liked his owl movie though. Now comes the tricky part : I mostly loved his superman movie. I explained it extensively, that when I go see a superhero movie, I don't expect any kind of fidelity to the comics beyond a few basics. I actually enjoy it far more when the director tries to avoid continuity and build his own version of it. Fans are possessive, and therefore very conservative. What strikes me so far is that even here, the vast majority of those who have seen it loved it! Some of those who hated it even admit at first they have zero interest in superman! So it seems that Snyder did what most would never have thought he'd do : he did a movie for the fans, not for the critics, and so far, the numbers and specifics of the critics seem to back that. I remember most of the fans complaining he didn't respect the fans in MOS, and even if I strongly disagree with that, apparently he finaly delivered. But for some to claim that their favorite version of superman is the true one when hundreds of different takes have been officially published by DC is just sad. As a fan of long form serialization of superhero comic books, I always find it odd when fans complain about lenght : for my part, I think all the feedback I goot around including from here prompts me to wait til mid July to watch it, in its extended cut format tha apparently will be heavy on plot and subplot threads. The only thing I hope is that it won't be as bad as Spiderman 3, not as boring and stupid as Avengers (yes, 2 hours of constant fighting is boring in my book, but to each his own  ), and I don't expect a story more sophisticated then the one of a good mainstream video game. All in all, I'm pretty sure I will not be disapointed in any of those three departeents, but who knows, see you in 4 months or so, BVS thread  |
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Post by Warmonger on Mar 28, 2016 22:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Mar 28, 2016 22:41:39 GMT -5
Wow yeah that is a bit shocking, I would have thought Kevin Smith would have loved it. He is right about Batfleck being the best onscreen Batman to date at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 8:26:42 GMT -5
So, if I hated Man of Steel, and if I'm not a fan of Batman's characterization in Miller's Dark Knight Returns, is there still any chance of my enjoying this film? I hadn't been planning to see it, but I'm impressed that it's getting some positive reviews here. I believe you will find things to enjoy about the film. Put all the items you've read or heard about out of your mind and go to the theatre to enjoy the movie. There were things I would've preferred be different, but I did really enjoy this movie. I relaxed, let the movie unfold, and enjoyed the ride. I took my Dad with me (he's 70 and his Superman is George Reeves) and he loved it. He also liked Man of Steel. I guess it is just personal preference. Hope you are able to go and find something that you enjoy! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 9:24:07 GMT -5
One quick point - while I thought Luthor was cringe-inducingly awful, I was delighted to see Mercy in the movie. Granted, she didn't actually do anything. But still - Mercy!
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 29, 2016 12:03:34 GMT -5
Just saw it. I thought it was quite bad, though still not as bad as Man of Steel. As others have said, I thought Affleck was really good, but the version of Batman he was playing is a supervillain, not a superhero. I mean, the whole plot of the film is that He remorselessly kills a bunch of people in order to steal something so he can murder Superman. That's not a hero. Superman should have put him away when he had the chance. |
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 29, 2016 22:01:09 GMT -5
The bad:
Batman kills (  )
I get what they were going for, but Luthor could get hard to watch The first half or so is pretty slow
The good:
Afflek was great
Gadot pulled it off
Cavil was fine
had some actual funny lines
"Martha"
they actually intentionally fought in an abandoned area (yaaay!)
JL cameos
WW1 picture Holly Hunters character wasn't as one note as I feared she'd be parademons!
the entire fight at the end
Amy Adams in a bathtub
Overall, I liked it more than Man of Steel. If I was more a Batfan than Superfan, his death toll would bug me more, but as a Superman guy, I enjoyed this one. Supes even (very minor, vague spoiler) saves Lex at one point: that's so a Superman thing to do.
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 29, 2016 22:02:34 GMT -5
I assumed it was supposed to be metaphorical, but they did a horrible job presenting that. Every other time there was a dream sequence there was a clear shift of the color pallet and Bruce woke up right afterwards. There was nothing in the version I saw to suggest it was anything but real other than the ridiculousness of what was happening. Well, his voice over states it's a dream... |
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Post by Ozymandias on Mar 30, 2016 4:32:53 GMT -5
I assumed it was supposed to be metaphorical, but they did a horrible job presenting that. Every other time there was a dream sequence there was a clear shift of the color pallet and Bruce woke up right afterwards. There was nothing in the version I saw to suggest it was anything but real other than the ridiculousness of what was happening. Well, his voice over states it's a dream… So, that wasn't the translation. Good to know. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 7:15:29 GMT -5
Batman v Superman set a huge, negative box-office record over the weekend"What exactly is going on with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice? No other blockbuster in recent memory has had such a dramatically shifting narrative; with no one quite being able to declare the thing an all-round disaster, or determined triumph. First came the impressive early reactions from fans, undercut by an onslaught of negative critical reviews. Though it didn't appear to matter, with its $170M US debut weekend making it the biggest superhero movie opening, snatching the dubious honour of becoming the first film to rake in $150M despite a "rotten" rating on reviews aggregator Rotten Tomatoes. It's a result which saw the internet quick to declare the irrelevance of critics; except, here's where things get a little interesting. There's another record that Batman v Superman broke over the weekend, marking it as the worst Friday-Sunday drop for any superhero film. As Forbes points out, the decrease in ticket sales in North America over the course of the weekend is nothing short of startling; dropping 55% from its $82M Friday debut to its $37M gross on Sunday; which beats out the much-reviled Fantastic Four reboot's drop of 48% by a fairly significant amount. ..."
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Mar 30, 2016 10:57:03 GMT -5
I went and watched it again. This time I tried to perceive it in a negative light, as if I were going to watch a really bad movie.
I can understand the bad reviews. I mostly attribute it to Lex Luthor. This has to be the worst Lex Luthor, or super-villain period, ever seen on screen. It's like, "Hey what if Facebook CEO dude became evil". Doesn't work. It's not like Jesse Eisenberg can't act, but he was drawing off of the wrong inspirations for this character. It felt like he was channeling Heath Ledger's Joker, because this Lex acted more like a poor man's Joker than even scraping the surface of a true Lex.
I find it perplexing that virtually nobody is talking about the actual Batman vs. Superman fight. This fight is fantastic, one of the best on-screen fights between heroes ever. So why is it so quickly forgotten?
Because of the way it ended. The weak ending to the battle is so bad that it negates all of the awesome that preceded it. And that is very unfortunate, because they could have made something astounding if a few changes were made to the script here or there.
One last thing that sticks out is Lois Lane's part in the final battle. She's not a superhero, so why was she acting like one? No normal human in their right mind would have been near that destruction, but there Lois was, trying to help her beloved Supes. I just thought it was unnecessary, and took the focus away from the final battle for a "Superman saves Lois Lane" moment.
The action in this movie is top notch, and Batfleck delivers. I can ignore the stuff that bothers me enough to enjoy the stuff I did like. So still a fun movie, but I'll understand if people can't stand it. BvS is my new guilty pleasure movie to watch.
Also, the soundtrack is phenomenal. Wonder Woman's theme is my new get pumped track.
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Post by impulse on Mar 30, 2016 10:59:02 GMT -5
I liked it fine, but I can see why people wouldn't. It was silly in points, and pretty dark and bleak. I'm tired of that super dark post-processing effect on all of these movies lately, too. I went in with low expectations, so that might have helped my enjoyment. I wasn't too thrilled about the body count, but it also doesn't bother me that much. Echoing others - Affleck was surprisingly good as Bruce/Batman. Wonder Woman was great; if only there was more of her. I like Cavil as Superman. I think he plays it really well and authentically.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:43:33 GMT -5
Based on what everybody said here and I decided to see it this upcoming Friday with a couple friends of mine that already seen it.
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), and I don't expect a story more sophisticated then the one of a good mainstream video game. All in all, I'm pretty sure I will not be disapointed in any of those three departeents, but who knows, see you in 4 months or so, BVS thread 
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