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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 5, 2015 2:23:37 GMT -5
Eisenberg as Luther is insufferable to me. I watched the recent clip where he interacts with Clark and Bruce and I couldn't get through his performance. The only thing I like about this so far is that they've FINALLY gotten the Batman costume close to right. The all black look was too dull for Batman.
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Post by batlaw on Dec 5, 2015 4:03:51 GMT -5
Yeah, just when I didn't think I could hate Eisen-lex anymore than i expected to.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 5, 2015 7:49:53 GMT -5
Eisenberg as Luther is insufferable to me. I watched the recent clip where he interacts with Clark and Bruce and I couldn't get through his performance. The only thing I like about this so far is that they've FINALLY gotten the Batman costume close to right. The all black look was too dull for Batman. Eisenberg is really the only aspect of the film that has me not entirely sure it's going to suck. Every other element feels like a desperate and misguided attempt to make fanboys wet their pants. The Eisenberg casting is at least...different. It's not how Luthor has ever been done before, and I at least find that interesting and possibly worth sitting through. But the rest, yech. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 11:22:39 GMT -5
Eisenberg as Luther is insufferable to me. I watched the recent clip where he interacts with Clark and Bruce and I couldn't get through his performance. I just can't stand Eisenberg at all period. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 5, 2015 12:22:42 GMT -5
Eisenberg as Luther is insufferable to me. I watched the recent clip where he interacts with Clark and Bruce and I couldn't get through his performance. The only thing I like about this so far is that they've FINALLY gotten the Batman costume close to right. The all black look was too dull for Batman. Eisenberg is really the only aspect of the film that has me not entirely sure it's going to suck. Every other element feels like a desperate and misguided attempt to make fanboys wet their pants. The Eisenberg casting is at least...different. It's not how Luthor has ever been done before, and I at least find that interesting and possibly worth sitting through. But the rest, yech. Yeah, I don't mind him as Luthor either and I really liked the scene with Bruce and Clark sparring at the party but I get what you're saying about the rest. Still my hopes are high that it will be enjoyable. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 5, 2015 12:36:40 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it funny that Clark Kent doesn't know who Bruce Wayne is?  |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 5, 2015 13:09:32 GMT -5
This is like Star Wars Episode 3 all over again. The previews have revealed pretty much the whole plot.
I like all of the actors, even Luthor, but the way they're presenting the conflict I have problems with.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 5, 2015 23:54:32 GMT -5
The 2nd trailer was alot better than the first, but there's still way more negatives than positives. I'm all for taking risks (like with Luthor), but sometimes they fail.. that sure did. The Clark and Bruce chat there was also awfully meta... it totally was opposite the over-dramatic.
That was a pretty badass Wonder Woman entrance, though.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 6, 2015 10:48:07 GMT -5
That was a pretty badass Wonder Woman entrance, though. Actually, that was the part that concerned me most. I'm really worried they're going to make Wonder Woman hot, bad-ass, and a total non-entity. When done correctly, she has a more compelling character than Clark and Bruce combined, but this trailer promises absolutely none of that. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 6, 2015 12:01:16 GMT -5
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It's a teaser, not a work of art, it's a work of marketing people! Why should we concern ourselves for that?! Most of us are gonna see it anyways, so why not let it rest until actuallty seing it and avoid spoilers? I mean, if I stumble upon a teaser unwillingly, too bad, but if I seek it myself and click on play, MY bad.
In the end we're just building expectations or adversity here, none being good for actually enjoying a film for its own merits.
I have many grudges against Snyder's movies, but those all were after seing the damn flicks.
This is in the end supposed to be a movie, not a gift to please comic book fans : If you'd take in account most CCF members opinion, you'd end up making a Batman '66 movie, which really would be pointless, wouldn't it?
In this occasion, I had read before about the cast (difficult to avoid that when reading comic book news sites...) and watched the teaser after reading all the judgemental feedbacks. That's enough for me to not watch anything else till the actual flick as I see that it's gonna be full of drama, some humor and SF aspects. I'm fine with all that and am happy I'll hopefully be able to see a Batman/superman movie in this mordern age of flawless SFX.
Creative people are always seeking change and evolution, for good or bad, but with a crave to try.
Fans don't like change, which is very problematic in a creative industry where fans storm social medias at the first hint of irk, however subjective it is.
I don't need to see the batma and suêrmen I already love again and again, they already exist, just give me something new to reflect on.
I often wonder how Richard Donner's first Superman production would have then fared with the current social media scrutiny...
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Post by shaxper on Dec 6, 2015 12:16:22 GMT -5
... It's a teaser, not a work of art, These days, teasers are treated like works of art and are meticulously cultivated to generate exactly the discussion you are witnessing here. You don't have to watch the teaser nor care about it, but it shouldn't be surprising to see people giving this much care and thought to it. That's what it's designed to do. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 6, 2015 12:21:34 GMT -5
These days, teasers are treated like works of art Maybe so, but fact remains that those are not. This trailer wasn't crafted by anyone else but marketing. If people want to start giving reviews on advertisement, fine, bu we all know a Bigmac doesn't taste as good as the TV ad says it does, and playing a good video game will be millions times better than seing its TV ad... |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 6, 2015 12:38:50 GMT -5
These days, teasers are treated like works of art Maybe so, but fact remains that those are not. This trailer wasn't crafted by anyone else but marketing. If people want to start giving reviews on advertisement, fine, bu we all know a Bigmac doesn't taste as good as the TV ad says it does, and playing a good video game will be millions times better than seing its TV ad... The fact that it was farmed out to a production house doesn't make it less of a work of art. However, I would argue that trailers should be cut or at least overseen by the director, which is not currently the case. I'm not a fan of spoilers in general. I think the comic industry changed for the worse when Previews came along and introduced the idea of the advanced solicit. I prefer to be completely surprised by a work. But I do feel trailers are an art form, and I don't mind engaging in a little speculative discussion for the sake of fun. In the case of this film, I am very much on the fence as to whether or not I will go see it (I'm leaning on not at this point), so these trailers matter to me, as does processing them effectively. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 6, 2015 12:56:50 GMT -5
I really follow you there. By definition a trailer isn't a work of art : a work of art exists by itself when a trailer exists solely because of said work of art/film. So it indeed makes it much much less a work of art. A fake trailer would/could be a work of art, but by no standard is this kind one. An ad can have artstic merits, but it's not art, never was, never will be. I maybe should argue otherwise as I used o be a bid advertising agency executive, but I was then a full-time arist, so I worked both ways of this perspective. On a totaly unrelated sidepoint, I can accept that advertising perception can be moving as I fully realize that in my current line of work, releasing a record is almost like advertising your performing career as that is where you eventually make a living. So in this case, art can become adverising, but I don't believe the other way around. Interesting topic to discuss anyways  |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 6, 2015 14:11:57 GMT -5
I view trailers as works of art, or at least that there is an art to making a good trailer. The trailer for Man of Steel was much better than the final movie turned out to be. And I remember how most Nintendo fans were disappointed after the first trailer for Super Mario 3D World and thought the game was going to be average and then everyone changed their tune and assumed the game was going to be amazing when Nintendo released a better edited trailer. The montage techniques used in trailers and commercials are the same used for movies and television.
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