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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 6, 2015 14:40:06 GMT -5
I view trailers as works of art, or at least that there is an art to making a good trailer. The trailer for Man of Steel was much better than the final movie turned out to be. And I remember how most Nintendo fans were disappointed after the first trailer for Super Mario 3D World and thought the game was going to be average and then everyone changed their tune and assumed the game was going to be amazing when Nintendo released a better edited trailer. The montage techniques used in trailers and commercials are the same used for movies and television. Yes you are right : the quality of the work is not related to the quality of its trailer/ad. Therefore we shouldn't focus so much on this trailer when what we really are interested in or not is a movie we won't be able to see until March 23. And no, the montage techniques used in trailers and commercials are not the same used for movies and television as no trailers or ad has a scene lasting more then 20 seconds. Again, a tariler or and ad would never exist if not for the purpose of marketing a product or a work of art. And art exists within its own. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 6, 2015 15:02:00 GMT -5
That was a pretty badass Wonder Woman entrance, though. Actually, that was the part that concerned me most. I'm really worried they're going to make Wonder Woman hot, bad-ass, and a total non-entity. When done correctly, she has a more compelling character than Clark and Bruce combined, but this trailer promises absolutely none of that. I'll be surprised if you get any characterization at all, honestly..... that'll happen when she gets her own movie. The purpose here is for her to be superficially appealing enough to get that movie to be made. |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 7, 2015 11:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 12:53:26 GMT -5
I never, ever expect this topic to reach three pages - it's been an interesting discussion here.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 7, 2015 14:13:06 GMT -5
Actually, that was the part that concerned me most. I'm really worried they're going to make Wonder Woman hot, bad-ass, and a total non-entity. When done correctly, she has a more compelling character than Clark and Bruce combined, but this trailer promises absolutely none of that. I'll be surprised if you get any characterization at all, honestly..... that'll happen when she gets her own movie. The purpose here is for her to be superficially appealing enough to get that movie to be made. "Superficial" and "appealing" are two words that never go together for me. They shouldn't go together for any true fans of the comics. Snyder loves to dazzle us with the surface level, but viewers deserve a little more depth and quality. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 7, 2015 16:24:27 GMT -5
True, but as MRP likes to remind us, comic book movies aren't made to appeal to us comic book fans... they take our money for granted (not that it's a big impact).. they'll looking for mainstream appeal. For instance, I showed my daughter (Unstoppable.. I really should get her posting here again  ).. she said one of her buddies was very excited... she was horrified at how dark it was, and asked me why Superman was the bad guy. She flew to text her friend, and her friend said 'but Jesse Eisenberg looks awesome in it'. My daughter's response (bless her heart): But he's playing Lex Luthor like he's the Joker her friend: who cares about the comic book stuff? And that, my friends, is why we can't have anything nice |
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Post by Warmonger on Dec 8, 2015 11:55:56 GMT -5
True, but as MRP likes to remind us, comic book movies aren't made to appeal to us comic book fans... they take our money for granted (not that it's a big impact).. they'll looking for mainstream appeal. For instance, I showed my daughter (Unstoppable.. I really should get her posting here again ).. she said one of her buddies was very excited... she was horrified at how dark it was, and asked me why Superman was the bad guy. She flew to text her friend, and her friend said 'but Jesse Eisenberg looks awesome in it'. My daughter's response (bless her heart): But he's playing Lex Luthor like he's the Joker her friend: who cares about the comic book stuff? And that, my friends, is why we can't have anything nice Good God... I remember hanging out with friends and talking about how awesome an upcoming movie looked with Robert De Niro, Harrison Ford, Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson, etc. Now kids are going to see movies because of Jesse Eisenberg...sad. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 14:51:03 GMT -5
And remember comic fans are not monolithic in their opinions either-the poll about what people think about the second trailer running at our former home shows an overwhelming majority of people there (like 60-70% last I saw) loved the trailer and think the movie looks awesome (and the rest split between undecided and don't like, with undecided outnumbering don't like by almost 2 to 1 as well) and that's a comic fan community (of sorts). So there are plenty of comic fans who love what DC/Warner is doing too, just not likely here  -M |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 8, 2015 18:03:07 GMT -5
I personnaly already stated my somewhat conditionnal love for Man Of Steel. When I see a superhero movie, I really completely set aside most comic fan considarations, especially continuity and just try to enjoy it for what it actually is as an independant movie (which is why I really couldn't get into the first Avengers "movie"). With Man Of Steel, I had seen (big mistake) the trailer and thought this was the most exciting thing possibly happening to the charcter, a Terrence Malick approach! Then the film wasn't that and initially let me down a little because of that. BUt then I though more about it, and structure-wise, the movie is surprisingly successfull, and might be even more so with the context of its sequel.
When I first saw the Batman Begins movie, I was quite let down, except for the epilogue. The whole evil plot from Ra's Al Ghul felt more like a 24 plot then a batman one. Then I realized this was not a batman movie, this was a movie about Bruce Wayne figuring out who he was and only becoming Batman in the Epilogue, with his discusion with Gordon. The came Dark Knight, a movie where because of the very existance of Batman all the characters must re-evalute who they are since the world has changed, except for Wayne, the only character who knows who he is in this.
Structure-wise, it was absolutely brilliant and made for great drama. The third movie suffered from a too big story and felt a little like the watchmen flick, with too many elipses...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 18:50:31 GMT -5
When I first saw the Batman Begins movie, I was quite let down, except for the epilogue. The whole evil plot from Ra's Al Ghul felt more like a 24 plot then a batman one. Then I realized this was not a batman movie, this was a movie about Bruce Wayne figuring out who he was and only becoming Batman in the Epilogue, with his discusion with Gordon. The came Dark Knight, a movie where because of the very existance of Batman all the characters must re-evalute who they are since the world has changed, except for Wayne, the only character who knows who he is in this. Structure-wise, it was absolutely brilliant and made for great drama. The third movie suffered from a too big story and felt a little like the watchmen flick, with too many elipses... I can see where you are coming from and I just have to say this - I agree with everything that I see here. Good points about the Batman Begins movie. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 8, 2015 22:25:39 GMT -5
I personnaly already stated my somewhat conditionnal love for Man Of Steel. When I see a superhero movie, I really completely set aside most comic fan considarations, especially continuity and just try to enjoy it for what it actually is as an independant movie (which is why I really couldn't get into the first Avengers "movie"). Except Man of Steel has major plot and character problems beyond it's comic book roots too. Not all the complaints thrown its way were comic book fan nitpicking. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Dec 9, 2015 3:08:02 GMT -5
I personnaly already stated my somewhat conditionnal love for Man Of Steel. When I see a superhero movie, I really completely set aside most comic fan considarations, especially continuity and just try to enjoy it for what it actually is as an independant movie (which is why I really couldn't get into the first Avengers "movie"). Except Man of Steel has major plot and character problems beyond it's comic book roots too. Not all the complaints thrown its way were comic book fan nitpicking. Well, that's there we disagree. It has some lot problems, but not major for a comic book movie, nothing near the cinematic catastrophy that Avengers is.  And the somewha rocky evolution of characters s quite logical, espetially the killing of Zod. Superman is indeed at the begining of his career. And I say that having hated Watchmen, thinking that 300 is one of the worst movies of history and not bein able to continue Sucker Punch beyond the first 15 mn... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 6:06:06 GMT -5
Eisenberg as Luther is insufferable to me. I watched the recent clip where he interacts with Clark and Bruce and I couldn't get through his performance. The only thing I like about this so far is that they've FINALLY gotten the Batman costume close to right. The all black look was too dull for Batman. That part was truly awful - I didn't even catch that he was supposed to be Lex Luthor until later, then my reaction was just "wait, what? That dweeb with the stupid haircut is Lex Luthor?" |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 9, 2015 11:53:09 GMT -5
What was sort horrible about Avengers, Arthur? I can't think of anything even 1/2 as bad as Superman killing Zod.
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 9, 2015 13:07:20 GMT -5
Except Man of Steel has major plot and character problems beyond it's comic book roots too. Not all the complaints thrown its way were comic book fan nitpicking. Well, that's there we disagree. It has some lot problems, but not major for a comic book movie, nothing near the cinematic catastrophy that Avengers is. And the somewha rocky evolution of characters s quite logical, espetially the killing of Zod. Superman is indeed at the begining of his career. And I say that having hated Watchmen, thinking that 300 is one of the worst movies of history and not bein able to continue Sucker Punch beyond the first 15 mn... I've never seen something more contrived in a movie than Jonathan Kent running into a tornado. I don't think the Avengers had anything that ludicrous. |
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).. she said one of her buddies was very excited... she was horrified at how dark it was, and asked me why Superman was the bad guy. 
And the somewha rocky evolution of characters s quite logical, espetially the killing of Zod. Superman is indeed at the begining of his career.