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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 2, 2016 19:17:04 GMT -5
Never draw what you can swipe.
Never swipe what you can trace.
Never trace what you can cut and paste.
And never do any of that if you can hire somebody to do it for you..We all know who's credited with saying this, right? Wally wood. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 2, 2016 19:37:33 GMT -5
Wally Wood and Greg Land have this in common; They both wanted to get paid for doing the least amount of work.
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Post by the4thpip on Jan 3, 2016 3:23:50 GMT -5
But whatever Wally swiped, he was much better at doing and and telling a visual story with it. Infinitely. And he actually had to redraw or trace it at last, no Ctr+C, Ctr+V available then.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 3, 2016 6:08:09 GMT -5
But whatever Wally swiped, he was much better at doing and and telling a visual story with it. Infinitely. And he actually had to redraw or trace it at last, no Ctr+C, Ctr+V available then. Different tools. Same goal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 6:10:37 GMT -5
But whatever Wally swiped, he was much better at doing and and telling a visual story with it. Infinitely. And he actually had to redraw or trace it at last, no Ctr+C, Ctr+V available then. Different tools. Same goal. The difference talent. Woody could do it without the shortcuts, he just didn't want to. Land on the other hand... -M |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 3, 2016 6:16:35 GMT -5
Different tools. Same goal. The difference talent. Woody could do it without the shortcuts, he just didn't want to. Land on the other hand... -M Land's early Birds of Prey work was very good. But why work 8 hours when you can get the same money for 2 hours? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 6:34:56 GMT -5
The difference talent. Woody could do it without the shortcuts, he just didn't want to. Land on the other hand... -M Land's early Birds of Prey work was very good. But why work 8 hours when you can get the same money for 2 hours? future earnings 1) you can make a lot more money off the work if you have original art to sell-20 pages a month at $100+ per page adds up to a nice chunk of money, if you original art is cut and pasted images form somewhere else, you got bupkiss-you can often sell a page of art for more than the standard page rate from the big 2 so in effect you can double your income for doing the same work if you do it right 2) you get more royalties if it sells more and your name doesn't drive people off a book and reduce sales and thus your ongoing income form the work you did... artists go out of fashion (ask Jerry Ordway) and the only income you will get from the comic work you did is residuals but there are minimum levels of sales necessary to achieve those incentives, getting a bad rap among the customer base hurts your chances of achieving those incentives and lowers your earning potential long term. -M |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 3, 2016 6:47:11 GMT -5
Either he has not experienced his work decreasing or he's very very shortsighted. What book is he doing right now ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 7:00:26 GMT -5
Either he has not experienced his work decreasing or he's very very shortsighted. What book is he doing right now ? something or other for Marvel, don't know. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 7:15:56 GMT -5
The difference talent. Woody could do it without the shortcuts, he just didn't want to. Land on the other hand... -M Land's early Birds of Prey work was very good. But why work 8 hours when you can get the same money for 2 hours? Yeah, I'm sure Drew Geraci put in a lot of hard work to make those pages look good and doesn't get near enough credit for the amount of work he had to do to make those pages look the way they do. Overheard at Gem City Comic Con a couple years back, I was buying prints from Dan Davis' table and at the next table was an inker who frequently works over Greg Land I'll leave unnamed. A fan asked him what he was working on next, and he said oh I'm on a Marvel Now book working over Greg Land-and a passing industry vet (and a favorite of many folks who post on these boards) who was walking by returning to his table after a panel and heard stopped and looked at the inker and said, I'm so sorry. Why do you keep taking such thankless shit jobs to make the hacks who give us a bad name look good...and you don't even get your portion of the original art to sell and make a buck because there is none. so yeah, that sums up Greg Land for me. -M PS as for why he keeps getting work-he makes deadlines and a lot of the time that's all frazzled editors care about-is the book done on time and who cares about the rest. |
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Post by the4thpip on Jan 3, 2016 8:41:30 GMT -5
Either he has not experienced his work decreasing or he's very very shortsighted. What book is he doing right now ? Uncanny X-Men, but only for the first 3 or 4 issues. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 3, 2016 18:52:53 GMT -5
Never draw what you can swipe.
Never swipe what you can trace.
Never trace what you can cut and paste.
And never do any of that if you can hire somebody to do it for you..We all know who's credited with saying this, right? I suspect Woody's attitude wasn't too far removed from John "I hate comics!" Buscema. Look at Mad and you can tell he obviously cared about the finished product and put in quite a bit of time and effort. Even Thunder Agents (what little I've read of it) is obviously not hacked by someone who didn't care about the finished product. It's beautiful! But, like Buscema, he always had a dismissive attitude towards his work and comics in general and was cheerfully upfront about using swipes. But their actions - and their work - give lie to the stuff they say. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 3, 2016 19:28:32 GMT -5
There's a big difference with Wally Wood for most of his career and what happened late in life when he became an alcoholic and various illnesses befell him. That is when he really looked for all the shortcuts he could take advantage of and was much less detailed with his art. Through the 40s, 50s, 60s, and a good part of the 70s he was one of the best.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 3, 2016 19:42:38 GMT -5
There's a big difference with Wally Wood for most of his career and what happened late in life when he became an alcoholic and various illnesses befell him. That is when he really looked for all the shortcuts he could take advantage of and was much less detailed with his art. Through the 40s, 50s, 60s, and a good part of the 70s he was one of the best. I've also heard that work that was credited to WW during that time period wasn't actually drawn by Wally. Like there's a Wonder Woman story that was actually inked by Wayne Howard. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 3, 2016 19:55:48 GMT -5
There's a big difference with Wally Wood for most of his career and what happened late in life when he became an alcoholic and various illnesses befell him. That is when he really looked for all the shortcuts he could take advantage of and was much less detailed with his art. Through the 40s, 50s, 60s, and a good part of the 70s he was one of the best. I've also heard that work that was credited to WW during that time period wasn't actually drawn by Wally. Like there's a Wonder Woman story that was actually inked by Wayne Howard. Wood employed art assistants during the 1960s and up. Wood would do the primary characters and some backgrounds and depending on the assistants' talents they would do some inking and other backgrounds. Many other artists employed assistants, it was a common practice. Besides Howard, Dan Adkins got his start at the Wood studios among others. And of course, Wally Wood did ink jods on other artists like the beginning of the All Star Comics rum for DC in the later 70s over Estrada pencils before taking it over completely himself Let us also not forget that Wood became one of the earliest self-publishers with his magazine Witzend. Wish I could tie this back in with Crossgen Publishings but theres just no way |
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