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Post by Randle-El on Jul 12, 2014 14:42:51 GMT -5
Though I posted the Reeve pic, I *do* wish the cape was longer and maybe heavier. I like regal Superman. Heh, I feel the opposite. I wish the cape was shorter and I'm not at all a fan of the long and heavy cloak look. Love the way Quitely draws it ending above the knees:  To me a shorter cape communicates action. I love the Reeve suit, and it's nearly perfect, but at the same time, it's a tad dated in its look. The only things I would change are making the cape slightly longer (looks cooler when flapping around), changing the cut of the briefs to something more current-looking, raising the "S" shield so it looks like something that's embossed or embedded onto the suit rather than looking printed, and darkening the colors a bit. Not dark dark, mind you -- nothing like the Superman Returns or Man of Steel suit. Maybe the word I'm looking for is "deep" -- a deeper blue, a deeper, richer red, and the yellow more of a golden hue. I also think they have modern textile manufacturing techniques where you can basically stitch the fabrics together so the seams are not visible. Something like this:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 16:11:08 GMT -5
To be honest I thought the Avengers movie was an absolute mess. Too much CGI, too much shaky cam, the action scenes seemed disorienting. I guess that's what happens when half the characters fly. Also the movie never seemed to slow down. Non stop fight scenes, with a punchline here and there, and countless references to things a casual moviegoer would never understand. As dupersuper says, most casual moviegoers seem to have liked it just fine -- it was selling out here in Manila four weeks after it came out. I think as longtime fans, we take best guesses as to what casuals would or wouldn't get. I was playing the Fables video game and thought for sure only people who have read the comics would possibly be invested in it, but then I looked at the forums and most of the gamers didn't even seem aware of the comic prior to the game, much less have read it. Right on cue, a friend told me she started playing the game and really liked it, and started asking me about the series. Avengers is my favorite movie of all time. The fight scenes, as they did in Cap 2, meant something - they were true character-building moments. The little smirk on Thor's face when Hulk draws blood, the fact that Cap was winded but kept getting back up, Black Widow being the one to look for a lateral solution to the whole thing. All of it came together. And when I think of the fact that something THAT unwieldy shouldn't have worked on any level, the fact that it continued to sell out theaters here in Manila a month later when most movies don't last two weeks in the theaters just makes it more impressive to me. Plus in the end it was a movie about overcoming your differences and coming together for the common good and doing the right thing. As Agent Coulson said, the world could use a little more old fashion. And I genuinely thought it was beautiful. And awesome. I just explain all that away with the fact that Fast and Furious is a multibillion dollar franchise with it's seventh installment coming to theaters soon. And the Big Lebowski was a flop. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:09:24 GMT -5
Box office success isn't a reliable indicator of quality either way, but reviews and polls can provide a better indicator of overall satisfaction, and Avengers is rated quite well across the board
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 19:11:38 GMT -5
And I'm sorry, Christopher Reeves as the best costume? That's nostalgia talking
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Post by Randle-El on Jul 12, 2014 23:15:31 GMT -5
And I'm sorry, Christopher Reeves as the best costume? That's nostalgia talking I don't think it's necessarily the best costume (my list was in no particular order, though it listed his costume first), and in fact I think it could be improved if anyone ever decided to make a modern Superman film using the traditional suit (see my earlier post). But I think it's a great example of a costume that got it right by keeping it simple and keeping it faithful, and letting the actor sell the suit through his performance. There are pictures all over the web of cosplay guys dressed in Superman outfits that look silly -- even if they are muscular or athletic-looking, or have a costume that doesn't look cheap. Reeve had such a simple costume, but it didn't look silly on him because he really sold it through his performance. It was an example of having faith in the source material, embracing it, and letting the performers make it believable rather than resorting to expensive tailoring. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 23:18:58 GMT -5
For a fan made film, the Batgirl (Steph Brown) costume in Batgirl Spoiled was very very good.  -M |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 23:22:02 GMT -5
I also quite liked the Dr. Fate costume that appeared on Smallville....  -M |
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Post by comicscube on Jul 13, 2014 0:06:26 GMT -5
I just explain all that away with the fact that Fast and Furious is a multibillion dollar franchise with it's seventh installment coming to theaters soon. And the Big Lebowski was a flop. I'm willing to leave the quality issue alone since I feel we'd be going around in circles, but the issue was whether or not casuals would find it confusing. Box office may not be an indicator of quality, but I'd say it's a solid indicator of how easy/hard something is to follow. As longtime fans, we see things casuals don't, and that's normal. Someone on the old old Classics Board (I'm taling four revamps ago) once told me that casual fans wouldn't get Watchmen because it required too much understanding of the superhero genre, and specifically cited The Golden Age of Superheroes as a reference they needed to know. And that's true that it may not be completely understood by casual fans -- but they enjoy it enough. I read historical fiction and while I may not get every reference, I am able to enjoy the stories enough, which leads into me looking into the history books and looking at more historical fiction. It's a nice cycle. I don't have to get everything to enjoy the work. |
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Post by comicscube on Jul 13, 2014 0:07:43 GMT -5
And I'm sorry, Christopher Reeves as the best costume? That's nostalgia talking I have no stalgia for Reeve's costume since I never saw the movies until I was 15, but I wouldn't want Superman's costume any other way. Because it's clearly better than all the ones that came after. So you're wrong, Smith. WRONG. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 13, 2014 2:06:26 GMT -5
I see how dynamic the fight scenes are in Avengers and Captain America 2, and think Batman should be able to move like that To be honest I thought the Avengers movie was an absolute mess. Too much CGI, too much shaky cam, the action scenes seemed disorienting. I guess that's what happens when half the characters fly. Also the movie never seemed to slow down. Non stop fight scenes, with a punchline here and there, and countless references to things a casual moviegoer would never understand. A billion dollars' worth of casual moviegoers didn't seem to have a problem with any of that. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 13, 2014 2:10:00 GMT -5
...as has been stated a half dozen times by now.
Aaaaaanyway, I thought the Iron Man Mk 1 was fantastic - a tribute to the original armor from the comics, and something that looked like it had actually been built in a cave out of scraps. And Captain America's WWII uniform was great.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 13, 2014 5:12:08 GMT -5
So long as we're including fan films, my favorite Batman costume was definitely the one in Batman: Dead End:
It's the only one that's ever made the way the costume is depicted in the comics look believable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 7:55:06 GMT -5
And I'm sorry, Christopher Reeves as the best costume? That's nostalgia talking I have no stalgia for Reeve's costume since I never saw the movies until I was 15, but I wouldn't want Superman's costume any other way. Because it's clearly better than all the ones that came after. So you're wrong, Smith. WRONG. I guess I'm the only one that doesn't prefer doughy Superman |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 13, 2014 13:24:12 GMT -5
I would say Iron Man cause both versions looked like the old and new one.
Now I like live action costumes that look like the original costume. I don't understand the desire for practicality in a costume just because it's in a movie. It's still fiction. It's source material is still fiction. The very fact that no one wants anything to be fantastical and Groot ISN'T a CGI 20 foot talking tree means that it won't be a good translation. It's comics about space policemen not a Stephen Hawking documentary. Life is serious enough already.
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Post by Randle-El on Jul 14, 2014 0:05:26 GMT -5
So long as we're including fan films, my favorite Batman costume was definitely the one in Batman: Dead End: It's the only one that's ever made the way the costume is depicted in the comics look believable. That looks like Alex Ross's Batman come to life. |
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