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Post by Ozymandias on May 21, 2014 1:02:09 GMT -5
I was also labeled as harsh in the old CBR board, because of my "low" average rating, but it's my believe that artistic skills are distributed like many other human characteristics, and that a graphical representation of rated material (when rating on a ten point scale) should look like a Gaussian curve, with a mean of 5 and a standard deviation of 1.428571. Doesn't seem very practical. I aim for accuracy, not convenience. You can always translate to rocks/sucks values. |
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Post by paulie on May 21, 2014 12:26:47 GMT -5
Morrison's JLA I simply I do not get.
The Giffen-era was a lot of fun. I don't typically like humor comics but JLI was well done.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 21, 2014 12:35:53 GMT -5
Morrison's JLA (not all of which I've read) I found disappointing for a couple of reasons. The art was atrocious...but then so was the art on Animal Man. But more than that it was probably because the interweb had ramped up my expectations as it was proclaimed the BEST THING EVAR! And what I got was a decent run of JLA. Decent but far from groundbreaking. I guess the book had been so bad for so long that it seemed like more than it was.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 21, 2014 12:45:46 GMT -5
And what I got was a decent run of JLA. Decent but far from groundbreaking. I guess the book had been so bad for so long that it seemed like more than it was. I think Morrison's reputation benefits from this syndrome A LOT! |
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Post by Cei-U! on May 21, 2014 14:43:43 GMT -5
I've gone on record before about my general dislike for the Giffen-era League, mostly because its humor was forced and tin-eared but also because it just didn't feel like the Justice League to me (nor did the Detroit version that preceded it). JLA is always a hit-or-miss kinda strip, anyway. Everyone who's worked on it has produced bad issues and far too many have produced nothing but. I liked a lot of things about Morrison's interpretation (Howard Porter's gawdawful art not being one of them), far more than I disliked anyway, which I can say about few others (Fox, Wein, Waid) and I still have hopes of finishing his run someday. Green Arrow and Atom taking down Darkseid is easily one of the Ten Greatest Moments in League history.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 21, 2014 14:56:23 GMT -5
I was thinking about starting a JLA thread, a DC counterpart to Baxter Building Bulletins and Greenskin's Grab-Bag (which I just started today). But I wasn't sure there would be enough interest in it. What do you guys think? It would be a good place for fuller discussions about some of the topics we've covered here in the last few days:
The Bwaa-haa-haa JLA
Deathstroke attacks the JLA in Identity Crisis and isn't immediately knocked down by (enter name of ridiculously powerful JLA member here)
Morrison's JLA
The dark dark days of 1970
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Post by paulie on May 21, 2014 15:53:10 GMT -5
I've gone on record before about my general dislike for the Giffen-era League, mostly because its humor was forced and tin-eared but also because it just didn't feel like the Justice League to me (nor did the Detroit version that preceded it). JLA is always a hit-or-miss kinda strip, anyway. Everyone who's worked on it has produced bad issues and far too many have produced nothing but. I liked a lot of things about Morrison's interpretation (Howard Porter's gawdawful art not being one of them), far more than I disliked anyway, which I can say about few others (Fox, Wein, Waid) and I still have hopes of finishing his run someday. Green Arrow and Atom taking down Darkseid is easily one of the Ten Greatest Moments in League history. Cei-U! I summon the random musings! The GA/Atom thing was awesome. That was a good story start to finish. As was the issue when they had to navigate the Joker's brain. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 21:53:54 GMT -5
I was a fan of the Giffer/DeMatteis/Maguire run early on, but I soured on it quickly. When it started, I felt it was telling interesting stories with a humorous twist, but the focus was on story and characters not on the jokes, but after about a year it quickly became about the jokes and the story and characters seemed to become an afterthought. After Maguire left I dropped the book and didn't pick up an issue again for a long time.
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Post by fred2 on May 22, 2014 8:55:01 GMT -5
I was a fan of the Giffer/DeMatteis/Maguire run early on, but I soured on it quickly. When it started, I felt it was telling interesting stories with a humorous twist, but the focus was on story and characters not on the jokes, but after about a year it quickly became about the jokes and the story and characters seemed to become an afterthought. After Maguire left I dropped the book and didn't pick up an issue again for a long time. -M Agreed. The first ten issues were something new and fresh. The next ten, Maguire only did a few and finished with no. 24. It was his art more than the writers that made that book. Comics should be more about the artist, but sadly the companies put rock star status on the writers (ie: Miller, Moore, Morrison-ugh!) |
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Post by paulie on May 22, 2014 11:51:05 GMT -5
I was a fan of the Giffer/DeMatteis/Maguire run early on, but I soured on it quickly. When it started, I felt it was telling interesting stories with a humorous twist, but the focus was on story and characters not on the jokes, but after about a year it quickly became about the jokes and the story and characters seemed to become an afterthought. After Maguire left I dropped the book and didn't pick up an issue again for a long time. -M Agreed. The first ten issues were something new and fresh. The next ten, Maguire only did a few and finished with no. 24. It was his art more than the writers that made that book. Comics should be more about the artist, but sadly the companies put rock star status on the writers (ie: Miller, Moore, Morrison-ugh!) I'll comprehensively disagree with this statement. Comics are a synergy between writer and artist. I also found that the rock star status was heaped upon the likes of Liefield, MacFarlane and Jim Lee in greater measure than any writer.
Frank Miller is a polarizing figure. Grant Morrison started out with two quite fine series in Doom Patrol and Animal Man and then became Grant Morrison.
I haven't read too many bad comics by Alan Moore. In fact, I'd say most have been excellent.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 22, 2014 18:16:07 GMT -5
I would never judge anyone for which version of the League they like best. Oh yeah, me neither. You can't assign value to someone as a person based on their favorite comics... Never mind. I stand corrected. |
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Post by Pharozonk on May 22, 2014 19:07:16 GMT -5
In excitement for the new X-Men movie, I read the Fall of the Mutant tie ins from Uncanny X-Men back in the day. It was a fun story, even if the mystical aspects were not the usual course for X-Men stories.
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Post by gmiller on May 24, 2014 2:02:15 GMT -5
And what I got was a decent run of JLA. Decent but far from groundbreaking. I guess the book had been so bad for so long that it seemed like more than it was. I think Morrison's reputation benefits from this syndrome A LOT! I agree with this...I noticed with Morrison too, that he always starts off strong on every story, and then just falls apart..His ideas are sound, but the end execution is lacking... |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 24, 2014 8:54:23 GMT -5
I think Morrison's reputation benefits from this syndrome A LOT! I agree with this...I noticed with Morrison too, that he always starts off strong on every story, and then just falls apart..His ideas are sound, but the end execution is lacking... I mostly agree with this assessment. He does have some trouble sticking the landing, but that's generally because the build-up is so strong. Hell, even Grant used to acknowledge that this was a problem with his work.
There was an interview with Howard Chaykin over at Bleeding Cool about his new Shadow series yesterday. It's not particularly interesting or informative except that he reveals that he figures out the ending to a story as his first step, then works his way backwards, completely a full script for an entire series before even sitting in front of his drawing board. That's an unusual approach, I think, but I think someone like Grant could benefit by giving it a shot. Of course, Chaykin mostly does limited runs on things, but mini-series seem to be what's on Grant's plate these days.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 24, 2014 10:18:28 GMT -5
To be fair to Morrison, Jack Kirby had the same "limp ending" problem. Waaaay too many stories were wrapped up with some variation of "Reed pulls a new weapon out of his ass" or "Odin hits the reset button."
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