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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 12, 2022 8:09:00 GMT -5
The Daredevil Love and War GN has some trippy abstract art from Bill Sienkiewicz and some interesting character bits about Daredevil, the Kingpin, and a couple character that just appear here. But when I write "bits" I really mean it. When you put together too prestige names (Frank Miller and Sienkiewicz) in a prestige format in an abstract style (even more than usual from Bill S.), I'm kind of waiting for some deep "comics for adults" meaning to come out of it. And it never really materializes. It gets late in the GN and I'm wondering when the "something more" is going to happen, and it's just a sort of small tale. It's got abstract art that pretty & interesting in its weirdness. It's got a crazy dude that draws upon that chaotic abstractness. It has a female character who Sienkiewicz makes pretty instead of just weird. And that's sort of it. The Batman Year Two deluxe edition reprints both the four-part arc from Detective Comics and the Batman: Full Circle one-shot that reunited Mike Barr and Alan Davis a few years later to draw upon plot threads from the earlier arc. Davis drew the first part in what marked the end of the brief Barr/Davis run in 'Tec. Davis quit the series, as noted in the HC's intro, because had the gun used by Joe Chill (a crucial element in the plot) redrawn to match a prior depiction, without Davis's knowledge or consent. Todd McFarlane, in an earlier work, takes over for the last 3 issues, and Barr continues as writer. For 2 issues, McFarlane style is muted by inkers, but the last issue has his distinctive flavor. I prefer Davis's work here, in part because McFarlane's art is sometimes confusing in what it's trying to portray and the panel flow. It's a very different take than Davis. In some panels, McFarlane seems to evoke Marshall Rogers on Batman. In others, he seems to prefigure what Norm Breyfogle would later, particularly with the exaggeratedly voluminous cape. One of brothers bought an issue or two of Year Two when it came out, and reading it now doesn't really hold up. I remember being fascinated by the intimidating character design for the Reaper. While he gets broad strokes in character motivation, I feel like he isn't developed enough as a character. And he has a catchphrase that he repeats ad nauseum like a sitcom character seeking a cheap pop. Not very spooky or menacing. One odd subplot is when Commissioner Gordon tells Batman he's trying to quit smoking cigarettes. Batman responds by giving Gordon . . . a pipe. To be fair, I've heard that pipe smoking somehow leads to less ingestion of carcinogens. But it kinds of sucks when Gordon is trying to develop more healthy behaviors to push him to accept half-measures. Full Circle benefits from Davis's art, but it's not as good as the first part of Year Two. It's got a bit much of the head shape issue that comes up sometimes with Davis. I don't know if it's because of how his penciling changed over time or because of the switch in inkers from Paul Neary to Mark Farmer. I like some elements of the writing and dislike others. There's a mystery of whether this Reaper is the same one who seemingly died in Year Two. It gets resolved fairly early in a way that I feel diminishes the feeling of danger. I was underwhelmed by the celebrated Year One when I read it a few years back, so I guess I'm lukewarm on both Year One and Year Two. I genuinely like Batman: Year One and for me it still holds up pretty well. But I felt that Year Two was a major let down: it just feels like another Batman story, nothing special like Year One was, despite the Reaper's awesome costume. I loved Year One to death, but couldn't get past the second issue of Year Two for exactly the same reason. Also, while Alan Davis is always welcome, I thought McFarlane and Alcala were very poorly matched as an art team. To go from "this completely redefines the Batman character for me" to "nothing special" was a huge letdown.
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Post by badwolf on Oct 12, 2022 8:20:50 GMT -5
Finishing up the second X-Men omnibus. It's not hard to see why this was Marvel's worst-selling title at the time. Roy Thomas and Arnold Drake do their best to emulate Stan's bombastic melodrama but no one can do Stan but the Man! Most of the art is really mediocre. Dan Adkins does a single issue that looks way better than the issues that surround it, particularly with regard to characters' faces. (I have a Doctor Strange fill-in that is also by Adkins; did he ever do a continuous run on a book?) Later there is a bit of Steranko and of course Neal Adams short but famous run. There is one issue by Don Heck where he emulates Adams' more modern style and it looks great! I wonder if he continued in that vein elsewhere or went back to his usual style. The stories don't always make sense and they play fast & loose with characters' abilities, particularly ephemeral ones like psychics and magic. At one point Juggernaut emits energy spheres from his body. Pretty sure we never saw that again. Professor X can communicate telepathically with robots, use "psychic bolts" to physical effect, go into astral form a la Strange, and "share" his power with others such as Jean and Changeling. He's also pretty blasé about wiping people's memories, even entire towns, to protect their identities. No problem there. Speaking of Changeling, I thought it was odd that he didn't change into anything in the entire drawn-out story arc where he was introduced. It's not until the retcon where he is to have impersonated Xavier that we see him change form. And why were they called Factor Three anyway? Having Jean be in on the hoax of Xavier's death doesn't work because we saw numerous thought balloons in previous issues where she mourned him. Thought the Z'nox story would be longer, given its scope, but it wraps up quickly. The reveal of Scott as Eric the Red makes no sense and I still don't understand the connection between Alex Summers and the Living Pharaoh. So, some of it was good, a lot of it was a drag, but I'm glad I filled in a hole in my reading. There are a lot of key issues in here, including the first appearances of Polaris, Havok, Mesmero, Sunfire, Sauron, Living Pharaoh/Monolith, Sentinels Mark II, and the Savage Land Mutates. **1/2 That period has some of the worst stories of the Marvel Silver Age. No wonder they "cancelled", even after Adams. Agreed. The Frankenstein issue was probably the nadir.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 12, 2022 8:54:41 GMT -5
Excellent review, spoon ! I've said it in the past: I admire Claremont for trying something new. By that time, the X-Men had safely secured their position as Marvel's #1 super-hero team, and although they evolved over time (some members leaving, some members joining) the title could have been described as "comfortable". What crises we met were dramatically interesting, but not world-changing. Another writer might have decided to just ride the wave of the mag's popularity and change as little as possible for fear of breaking the spell. But with the Mutant Massacre and its aftermath, the X-Men simply dumped their earlier, successful formula and tried something new. That took guts, really, and for that I can but tip my hat at the writer. Unfortunately, the experiment, as far as I'm concerned, was a failure. One that would be corrected only by going back to the way things had been, and that turned out (alas!) to also be the end of my interest for the X-books, as their earlier evolution was stopped and they remained trapped in amber (more or less espousing their Saturday morning cartoon personalities) until Grant Morrison came aboard, many years later. I decided to read from the aftermath of the Nimrod story/Mutant Massacre (#210) through to the end of the introduction of the last of the new members (Havok) in #219. I added in a New Mutants tie-in to the Mutant Massacre. Halfway through I thought I could've included the New Mutants & X-Men annuals where Psylocke & Longshot first meet the team, but decided to stick to my prior plan. Since I tended to pick up individual back issues of X-Men out of order when I was kid, there are periods of X-Men that I haven't read as big runs (compared to series I started buying more when I was older). This is a transitional period. The old regular penciler John Romita Jr. draws #210 and part of #211, the new penciler Marc Silvestri starts with #218. In between (including #219), we get guest pencilers like Rick Leonardi, Alan Davis, Barry Windsor-Smith, Jackson Guice, and Brett Blevins. #210 has a nice mix of characters moments as a battle aftermath issue. Although some might think it's a cliche, there's a really good scene about anti-mutant prejudice. There is a dumb moment when Kitty blames Rachel for running out on the X-Men when she has good reason to think Rachel may have been bleeding to death in some ditch. While I think of the Mutant Massacre as a big slugfest between 2 teams, #211 is the only issue where that plays out. #212 is just Wolverine vs. Sabretooth, with the X-Men worrying about a follow-up attack, and #213 features Sabretooth against the X-Men. The brutal horror of the massacre comes through, although maybe it's a little forced by making the X-Men too inept in their response. Then again, maybe the departures of Professor X & Rachel in quick succession as well as injuries hampering Wolverine & Nightcrawler arguably hampered their coordination. After brief appearances in the 2 previous issues, Psylocke gets her baptism of fire in #213 (beautifully drawn by Davis) & formally joins the team at the end of the issues. It's a little silly that Storm is dubious about Betsy joining the team earlier in the issue since they'd be down to 3 members without her. Beggars can't be choosers. I had liked Betsy as a supporting character in the New Mutants annual published earlier, and was glad to see her join the team... However, I really, really disliked her armoured look and her tougher and meaner attitude. She had been quite unique in her earlier gentleness (and gentleness does not prevent one from being courageous). The only point I thought should have been adressed immediately is that her bionic eyes were spy cameras operated my Mojo; that's not the kind of plot that should be left hanging. The brutality of the Mutant Massacre and the X-Men being thrashed was very effective storytelling; where the story failed, here, (again as far as I'm concerned) is that there's only so much pain, despair and feeling of helplessness a reader can take. Once the dust settles, our heroes are supposed to pick themselves up, get the bad guys and set their lives in order (even if it means, for lack of manpower, calling the Avengers, the Fantastic Four or the rest of X-Factor). What we got instead is a lot of hand wringing and tooth gnashing : "Oh nose! Nightcrawler is in a coma! Kitty is going to remain intangible and will vanish forever! Colossus is paralyzed! What we need to do is hide so deep in a hole that we're ready to murder friends to keep our hiding place secret, and recruit three second stringers whom we'll next pretend were always the stars of the series"... The departure from the earlier series was too abrupt, especially since it's not only the main cast that dropped from sight: it was also the very rich supporting cast that had been a large part of the book's appeal. He did that a lot, didn't he? Fair enough, but personally I liked none of them. (Well, not true. I always loved Rogue after she joined the team). Storm and Wolverine were turning into self-caricatures, Psylocke was still pretty lightweight, Dazzler only ever interested me during the soap opera period of her own comic and Longshot, who had been a favourite of mine in his own limited series, was a character Claremont never got. Longshot was used simply as another acrobat, but that's not what the core of the guy is; his special power is not to be agile, it's to be lucky. Not as in "wow, I jumped from a bridge and managed to catch this flagpole", but "wow, I jumped from a bridge and fell into a lorry carrying feather pillows". There were very few times during Longshot's stint as an X-man when one of his stunts ellicited a response in the "what are the odds?" category. Also, his having good luck meant others were getting bad luck, which is not something we spent a lot of time on (if at all) in the X-books. Plus, he was conveniently amnesiac, while his own story arc was left unresolved. In other words... I didn't much care for the replacements for Kitty, Kurt and Peter! And let's not even get into the bondage stuff! Yes, that made no sense whatsoever. Really, really none. Cool shot of Sabretooth by Bret Blevins though, with his foot really looking like the leg of a cat. I kept reading the book out of habit for the next several years, but found it interesting again only after the Siege Perilous thing was over, when the supporting cast started reappearing.
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Post by Ozymandias on Oct 12, 2022 9:06:16 GMT -5
I loved Year One to death, but couldn't get past the second issue of Year Two for exactly the same reason. Also, while Alan Davis is always welcome, I thought McFarlane and Alcala were very poorly matched as an art team. To go from "this completely redefines the Batman character for me" to "nothing special" was a huge letdown. Year One is in my top 10. The Titan Books trade was one of my first comic-books in English. Beautifully recolored, BTW.
TBF, Alcalá didn't match well with many pencilers. He was the best for big John in SSoC tough, up until he replaced those laborious ink patterns with grey tones for shadows.
That period has some of the worst stories of the Marvel Silver Age. No wonder they "cancelled", even after Adams. Agreed. The Frankenstein issue was probably the nadir. It's difficult to pick a "winner", really. In between Kirby and Steranko, I have all issues rated either at 3.5 or 4/10. To dip deeper, you have to reach the level of the early issues of Journey Into Mystery. About half of the ones published the first year since Thor started, are real stinkers.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 12, 2022 11:02:30 GMT -5
I want to add that those Adams X-Men probably did increase sales and certainly got a lot of buzz from the fan community. It's cancellation was partly due to the speculation that had started around that time and the affidavit return scandal. Adam's books like this and GL/GA were heavily speculated.
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Post by berkley on Oct 12, 2022 15:04:03 GMT -5
The first appearance was a more humble building than later versions. Strange Tales #110 top left.
I like the way Ditko has Strange's house sort of huddled down below the taller buildings that surround it. I think it fit in with the idea of Strange as a sort of anonymous, unknown defender of humanity against equally obscure, yet nonetheless deadly, even existential, mystical threats.
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Post by berkley on Oct 12, 2022 15:14:02 GMT -5
Finishing up the second X-Men omnibus. It's not hard to see why this was Marvel's worst-selling title at the time. Roy Thomas and Arnold Drake do their best to emulate Stan's bombastic melodrama but no one can do Stan but the Man! Most of the art is really mediocre. Dan Adkins does a single issue that looks way better than the issues that surround it, particularly with regard to characters' faces. (I have a Doctor Strange fill-in that is also by Adkins; did he ever do a continuous run on a book?) Later there is a bit of Steranko and of course Neal Adams short but famous run. There is one issue by Don Heck where he emulates Adams' more modern style and it looks great! I wonder if he continued in that vein elsewhere or went back to his usual style.
I don't think I knew that Adkins drew an issue of X-Men. Would definitely like to find the back-issue of that one. And the Sterankos, too, for that matter - I never have seen one of those.
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Post by dbutler69 on Oct 13, 2022 10:37:34 GMT -5
I'm reading The Superman Chronicles vol. 2, and in Superman #2, Metropolis is stated to be in New York. I think this might even be the first time Metropolis is specifically named. Also, Clark Kent's editor is names for the first time - George Taylor.
Oh, and Lois is still horrible.
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Post by tonebone on Oct 14, 2022 13:14:16 GMT -5
Well, after seeing The Long Halloween maligned by tons of people on this forum, I finally read it. I really liked it a lot. Not the greatest Batman story I've ever read, but I'm glad I disregarded the criticism and gave it a chance. Honestly, the last "long form" Batman story I read was Court of Owls, and I found this to be much more engaging and better paced. I liked the round-robin villains, and how it all revolved around the Roman and the other Gotham gangsters.
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Post by Farrar on Oct 14, 2022 13:59:20 GMT -5
Finishing up the second X-Men omnibus. It's not hard to see why this was Marvel's worst-selling title at the time. Roy Thomas and Arnold Drake do their best to emulate Stan's bombastic melodrama but no one can do Stan but the Man! Most of the art is really mediocre. Dan Adkins does a single issue that looks way better than the issues that surround it, particularly with regard to characters' faces. (I have a Doctor Strange fill-in that is also by Adkins; did he ever do a continuous run on a book?) Later there is a bit of Steranko and of course Neal Adams short but famous run. There is one issue by Don Heck where he emulates Adams' more modern style and it looks great! I wonder if he continued in that vein elsewhere or went back to his usual style. The Adams-like layouts and panel placements were by Heck (which helped to keep the issue's look consistent with the preceding issues), but what you're really seeing in the finished product is Tom Palmer's work. Check out the credits; he's listed as "embellisher", which means he as the inking artist was working from loose or rough pencils and was expected to fill in the gaps (and the pay rate for embellisher was higher than a straightforward inking job). In interviews Palmer has said he needed to add a lot in this story and that he basically redrew the whole thing, so all the faces, details, etc. are his. A really good Palmer interview mentioning this is over at the comicbookhistorians.com site. At any rate, after this X-Men issue, Heck seems to have gone back to his more traditional style and panel layouts, at least in his early '70s Batgirl, Black Widow, and Iron Man stories I've read. At the end of #39 it's revealed the Changeling has impersonated Xavier for a bit in that issue. I've read various accounts that this planned as the "ace in the hole" just in case there was ever a need to bring back Xavier.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Oct 16, 2022 5:46:34 GMT -5
Star Trek: The Next Generation – Forgivenessscript: David Brin, art: Scott Hampton (2001) Generally – with a few notable exceptions – I’ve been pretty uninterested in Star Trek comics, but I noticed this on the shelf while browsing in the library recently and decided to check it out, mainly because the story is by Brin, whose SF prose I’ve always enjoyed. And – it’s a pretty solid story that would have made a rather good episode of TNG. It’s set in the time of the Dominion War, when the Enterprise was jetting around on various missions to put out fires in the Alpha Quadrant while the bulk of Star Fleet is on the front line so to speak. The story starts in the mid-21st century, where a brilliant physicist named Colin Blakeney has just completed what appears to be the first functional transporter. He’s dealing with opposition from a multinational company that controls all terrestrial transportation of passengers and goods, as well as many skeptics who claim that the device will kill people and create soulless copies. When Blakeney decides to finally test it on a human subject, himself, he’s jumped by a mysterious assailant and they both fall into the beam and disappear. ( I *really* don't like the Enterprise-E) 'Back' in the 24th century, the Enterprise is conveying an ambassador to the Palami system, where the local intelligent race has been quarantined by the Federation for about a century because they released some kind of biologically-engineered virus that rather gruesomely killed all non-Palami species on their home planet. The Palami, however, have petitioned the Federation for removal of the quarantine restriction. While on the way there, they Geordi detects a transporter beam on a direct course for the Palami system’s sun and realizes that there is a salvageable life pattern inside it. When he confines the beam and materializes it, a flustered Blakeney appears and passes out from the shock. Like I said, it’s a rather engaging story with some intriguing SF concepts thrown in (one can expect no less from Brin), even though there’s some questionable use of the holodeck that strains credulity even in the context of the suspension of disbelief I’m always willing to grant to Star Trek (and it comes close to what I consider the problem of the holodeck as a storytelling crutch, which I’ve ranted about elsewhere at greater length). The art, by the way, was not to my liking. I generally like Hampton’s work (e.g., I think it’s brilliant in another collaboration with Brin that was published about two years after this one and a bout which I wrote at this forum a few years ago), but it was pretty unremarkable here. I think one of the problems is that he was hampered by the need to capture the likenesses of the TNG crew and the the Enterprise interiors. However, even the parts of the story that aren’t limited by these constraints, like the scenes from the past and/or in the holodeck, mostly look rather plain and unremarkable.
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Post by tonebone on Oct 16, 2022 15:53:33 GMT -5
( I *really* don't like the Enterprise-E) This is the wrong thread for me to say this, but The Enterprise E is the ugliest Enterprise, ever. There I said it.
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Post by spoon on Oct 17, 2022 20:01:50 GMT -5
Finishing up the second X-Men omnibus. It's not hard to see why this was Marvel's worst-selling title at the time. Roy Thomas and Arnold Drake do their best to emulate Stan's bombastic melodrama but no one can do Stan but the Man! Most of the art is really mediocre. Dan Adkins does a single issue that looks way better than the issues that surround it, particularly with regard to characters' faces. (I have a Doctor Strange fill-in that is also by Adkins; did he ever do a continuous run on a book?) Later there is a bit of Steranko and of course Neal Adams short but famous run. There is one issue by Don Heck where he emulates Adams' more modern style and it looks great! I wonder if he continued in that vein elsewhere or went back to his usual style. The Adams-like layouts and panel placements were by Heck (which helped to keep the issue's look consistent with the preceding issues), but what you're really seeing in the finished product is Tom Palmer's work. Check out the credits; he's listed as "embellisher", which means he as the inking artist was working from loose or rough pencils and was expected to fill in the gaps (and the pay rate for embellisher was higher than a straightforward inking job). In interviews Palmer has said he needed to add a lot in this story and that he basically redrew the whole thing, so all the faces, details, etc. are his. A really good Palmer interview mentioning this is over at the comicbookhistorians.com site. At any rate, after this X-Men issue, Heck seems to have gone back to his more traditional style and panel layouts, at least in his early '70s Batgirl, Black Widow, and Iron Man stories I've read. I had long wondered about this. It seemed so beyond what Heck does, and raised my curiosity of why he wouldn't draw like that regularly. It makes sense that it was really mostly Palmer, because it seems closer to his style.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 17, 2022 21:15:30 GMT -5
Hallelujah! I just read Avengers #243. I began collecting and then reading Avengers #80-300 probably six years ago, but after issue #200, I began losing interest fast (and thus reading much much slower!), and the last incarnation of the team that I'd been reading (Wasp as chairwoman, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, Starfox, Vision, and Scarlet Witch) really wasn't doing anything for me. I respected the choice to have an Avengers team utterly dominated by women for once, but none of the characterizations were working for me at all. I don't think I've ever been more excited for a roster shake-up, and having Vision as chairman will definitely present new directions for internal character arcs.
Here's hoping it's all upwards from here...
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Post by spoon on Oct 17, 2022 23:19:02 GMT -5
Hallelujah! I just read Avengers #243. I began collecting and then reading Avengers #80-300 probably six years ago, but after issue #200, I began losing interest fast (and thus reading much much slower!), and the last incarnation of the team that I'd been reading (Wasp as chairwoman, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, Starfox, Vision, and Scarlet Witch) really wasn't doing anything for me. I respected the choice to have an Avengers team utterly dominated by women for once, but none of the characterizations were working for me at all. I don't think I've ever been more excited for a roster shake-up, and having Vision as chairman will definitely present new directions for internal character arcs. Here's hoping it's all upwards from here... He's a smart synthezoid. I'm sure it'll be a smooth, totally uneventful tenure as chairman.
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