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Post by Hoosier X on May 8, 2023 17:53:15 GMT -5
Conway's JLA was fabulous. And his ASM was good until he decided to unnecessarily revive the clone saga. Conway’s JLA WAS great. I had forgotten that he wrote JLA Detroit. It had its ups and downs, but mostly it was what the JLA needed at the time. And Conway’s Spider-Man was pretty cool all the way through for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 18:04:12 GMT -5
I really liked Gerry Conway's run on Batman.
And what I have read of his Justice League and Spider-Man have been great too.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 8, 2023 18:26:44 GMT -5
I really liked Gerry Conway's run on Batman. And what I have read of his Justice League and Spider-Man have been great too. I don’t know how I didn’t mention his run on Batman. A lot of good stories in the early 1980s. He gets a lot of credit for writing Doctor 13 so that he doesn’t look like an idiot. He’s pretty much the only writer who’s ever done that!
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Post by badwolf on May 8, 2023 19:50:12 GMT -5
Revive? There was no clone saga before he concocted it. Yes, but he couldn't let it lie and then dug it up again via Miles Warren's clone villain and a nonsensical retcon of Gwen Stacy's "resurrection."
The first saga is great. The redux sucks.
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Post by Ozymandias on May 9, 2023 0:22:53 GMT -5
What story are you referring to?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 9, 2023 7:48:17 GMT -5
What story are you referring to? I can't speak for badwolf, but here's an article about Gwen's clones and their many retcons. I suspect it's the Evolutionary War chapter that is referred to. Good lord, talk about a string of bad ideas!!!
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Post by badwolf on May 9, 2023 8:55:16 GMT -5
What story are you referring to? It's all in the Clone Saga TPB. First there was the clone of Gwen, the final battle with the Jackal and then Gwen2 just goes off.
That was fine.
Then later Carrion, a clone of the Jackal turns up and it's explained that Gwen wasn't really a clone but another woman who had been genetically altered by a virus to look like Gwen... oh it's ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 8:57:28 GMT -5
Then later Carrion, a clone of the Jackal turns up and it's explained that Gwen wasn't really a clone but another woman who had been genetically altered by a virus to look like Gwen... oh it's ridiculous.
Oh, for goodness’ sake! Tell me that didn’t happen. Lie to me if you have to!
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Post by Batflunkie on May 9, 2023 9:24:58 GMT -5
Captain America #443 Plot: Cap learns from Jesse Black Crow that he has 24 hours to live because of the deterioration of his super soldier and he tries to spend those few hours doing what he can, from entrusting the continuation of his cause to Free Spirit and Jack Flag, to visiting Ram of his Stars & Stripes Hotline, to even sharing a night cap with his old aloof adversary Batroc Really the end of an era and I don't think that Gruenwald could have possibly gone out with a better issue, even if I did have some qualms about the quality of the storylines sometimes
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Post by Cei-U! on May 9, 2023 10:17:31 GMT -5
That cover art is awful. No wonder I steered clear of Marvel* in the '90s.
Cei-U! I summon the Pepto!
* with a handful of exceptions like the Busiek/Perez Avengers and anything drawn by Steve Rude
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Post by Batflunkie on May 9, 2023 10:31:07 GMT -5
That cover art is awful. No wonder I steered clear of Marvel* in the '90s. I've been reading the DVD collections of scanned Marvel comics from 2007 and it's very telling how low Marvel had sunk with every other page being advertisements for marvel related items like Canned Pasta, Fruit Roll Ups, Video Games, Happy Meal Toys, and even Trading Cards
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Post by Ozymandias on May 9, 2023 11:01:51 GMT -5
What story are you referring to? It's all in the Clone Saga TPB. First there was the clone of Gwen, the final battle with the Jackal and then Gwen2 just goes off.
That was fine.
Then later Carrion, a clone of the Jackal turns up and it's explained that Gwen wasn't really a clone but another woman who had been genetically altered by a virus to look like Gwen... oh it's ridiculous.
Did Conway take part in the 90's clone saga?
Carrion was Mantlo's creation. Only the annual with Gwen's clone retcon was Conway's doing, but that wasn't ASM, hence my confusion. BTW, the Gwen clone retcon was also retconned.
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Post by badwolf on May 9, 2023 11:13:54 GMT -5
It's all in the Clone Saga TPB. First there was the clone of Gwen, the final battle with the Jackal and then Gwen2 just goes off.
That was fine.
Then later Carrion, a clone of the Jackal turns up and it's explained that Gwen wasn't really a clone but another woman who had been genetically altered by a virus to look like Gwen... oh it's ridiculous.
Did Conway take part in the 90's clone saga?
Carrion was Mantlo's creation. Only the annual with Gwen's clone retcon was Conway's doing, but that wasn't ASM, hence my confusion. BTW, the Gwen clone retcon was also retconned.
It was packaged as a Spider-Man book so that's how I remembered it. I forgot that Carrion was Mantlo's doing.
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Post by Confessor on May 9, 2023 11:30:56 GMT -5
I re-read the Marvel adaptation of Raiders of the Lost Ark over the weekend, as part of my planned re-read of the full Further Adventures of Indiana Jones series... It's a fairly solid re-telling of the film and was actually slightly better than I remembered it being. Walt Simonson handles the writing, no doubt working from the film's shooting script and a bundle of promo photographs (which is how Marvel's Star Wars film adaptations were all done). As such, it's the little differences that are really fascinating. So, for example, in the comic, the sinister bespectacled Gestapo agent Toht dies when his car plunges off of a cliff, during the sequence where Indy chases the Nazi truck with the Ark on board across the desert, whereas in the film he survives to have his face melted when the Ark is finally opened. Then there's the scene where Jones threatens to destroy the Ark with a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, which takes place at the ceremony site itself in the comic, not slightly earlier as it does in the film. Also, the memorable scene in which Indy hilariously shoots a scimitar-wielding Arab in Cairo is completely absent here, lending credence to the rumour that the scene was improvised on-set. Another rather shocking difference to the film is that it's revealed that Marion Ravenwood worked as a prostitute for a time after her farther died! Again, I'm assuming this is something that was in the shooting script, but was sensibly dropped during filming. In addition to these differences, a number of the film's most spectacular set pieces are rather under-played in the comic. For instance, the extended punch-up between the bald, shirtless Nazi thug and Indiana Jones near the Nazi flying wing aircraft is really truncated, with none of the "propeller death" gore of the film. Also, Indy's daring and action-packed pursuit of the truck carrying the Ark ignores many of that sequence's most spectacular stunts, such as when Jones goes under the truck and climbs back over the top. Knowing how these things worked between Marvel and Lucasfilm with the Star Wars movie adaptations, I would think it likely that Lucasfilm insisted on Marvel omitting most of these sequences so as to not spoil them for cinema audiences. On the plus side, we get a lot more information about the map at the beginning and Indiana's links to his guide Satipo (played in the film by Alfred Molina) in the opening sequence at the the lost temple of the Chachapoyans. We also learn a bit more about Dr. Abner Ravenwood's obsessive quest for the Ark, and we finally see how Indy reached the remote island while on top of the Nazi submarine: turns out he lashed himself to the periscope with his bullwhip and took a nap! Luckily for him the submarine never descended any deeper than that. The artwork is serviceable, with John Buscema doing pencil breakdowns and Klaus Janson finishing off the art. I'm not, in all honesty, the biggest fan of Janson's heavily inked artwork, but he does a decent job of telling the story. Unfortunately, the scene where the Ark is finally opened and Belloq and the Nazi's receive God's punishment is, perhaps predictably, nowhere near as memorable or as horrific on the comics page as it is in the film. All in all though, this is a pretty decent adaptation of the film, without ever being anything amazing.
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Post by MDG on May 9, 2023 12:16:52 GMT -5
That cover art is awful. No wonder I steered clear of Marvel* in the '90s. I've been reading the DVD collections of scanned Marvel comics from 2007 and it's very telling how low Marvel had sunk with every other page being advertisements for marvel related items like Canned Pasta, Fruit Roll Ups, Video Games, Happy Meal Toys, and even Trading Cards Remember--advertising keeps the cost down for the reader. And I want to say ads on every other page starting in the 70s, which is one of the reasons the original Dollar Comics were a big deal. (And canned pasta, fruit roll ups and video games probably reflected on comic readers better than ads for sharks teeth, stamps from many lands, body builders, and Grit.)
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