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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 2, 2023 10:22:58 GMT -5
Savage Dragon (v1)#1-#8 and (v2) #1
IDW TMNT Annual 2012, #21-#22, and Old Hob Micro-Series
So I tore through my new books last night, especially Savage Dragon. On that note, Savage Dragon (from what little I've read before buying the Ultimate Collection) is very frenzied and chaotic, not too particularly heavy on story as Larson mostly just uses as a vehicle for intense action scenes. It's a simple story of mutant that looks like a dragon being drafted into becoming a one-man swat team to take on superpowered mobsters and their cronies that's told well and would probably make for a good popcorn flick
The IDW TMNT stuff focuses on the City Fall event, which is where I originally lost the thread by being absolutely buried under mini-series books when it was originally coming out. The Annual was very fun and frantic, Raph and Casey are goofing around and Casey looses a bat that causes a car crash and leads into a double cross, who dun it? fight between the turtles, the Savate ninja and the Foot Clan. The City Fall stories remind me a lot of why I loved the 1990 TMNT movie, very dramatic, personal, and frenetic and I will by no means spoil it
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 3, 2023 8:39:45 GMT -5
Savage Dragon (v1)#1-#8 and (v2) #1 IDW TMNT Annual 2012, #21-#22, and Old Hob Micro-Series So I tore through my new books last night, especially Savage Dragon. On that note, Savage Dragon (from what little I've read before buying the Ultimate Collection) is very frenzied and chaotic, not too particularly heavy on story as Larson mostly just uses as a vehicle for intense action scenes. It's a simple story of mutant that looks like a dragon being drafted into becoming a one-man swat team to take on superpowered mobsters and their cronies that's told well and would probably make for a good popcorn flick
It's much more. I have the entire 264 issue run and it's a rollercoaster where you can't guess what will happen next.
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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 3, 2023 11:26:59 GMT -5
Savage Dragon (v1)#1-#8 and (v2) #1 IDW TMNT Annual 2012, #21-#22, and Old Hob Micro-Series So I tore through my new books last night, especially Savage Dragon. On that note, Savage Dragon (from what little I've read before buying the Ultimate Collection) is very frenzied and chaotic, not too particularly heavy on story as Larson mostly just uses as a vehicle for intense action scenes. It's a simple story of mutant that looks like a dragon being drafted into becoming a one-man swat team to take on superpowered mobsters and their cronies that's told well and would probably make for a good popcorn flick
It's much more. I have the entire 264 issue run and it's a rollercoaster where you can't guess what will happen next. Oh, I believe it. I think my favorite part of V1 is where Dragon beats the crap out of a bad cop and then lectures him on how the police force should be doing more
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Post by spoon on Dec 8, 2023 18:44:05 GMT -5
I read the Superman: The Man of Steel vol. 6 TPB reprinting Action Comics Annual #1, Adventures of Superman Annual #1, Superman Annual #1, Action Comics #594-595, Booster Gold #23, and Superman #12. I think the only ones I'd read previously are the two-part Booster Gold crossover and the Silver Banshee story from Action. The cover of the Adventures Annual was so familiar, but the story, not so much. So I think it's just that house ads seared the memory of the cover into my mind.
It's the oddest volume in the bunch so far, because it's all over the place tonally. Part of that is how annuals feel different because of guest artists or writers. Also, a couple of the guest artists are people I associate much more with Marvel (Art Adams and Ron Frenz), so it just feels weird seeing their work here. I can't believe I'd never heard of the Action Annual given it's a Superman/Batman team-up. It feels weird in the way that trying to find a workable Superman/Batman team-up plot can feel. the plot seems to have an odd shape to it, but I like it. The Titano story in Superman is a bit too preachy. The Adventures Annual, guest written by Jim Starlin is disturbing and therefore very memorable. A couple of the annuals work in Sarge Steel cameos for all the hardcore Charlton maniacs who demanded it.
Was the Booster Gold crossover a last ditch effort to save his series, which was cancelled a couple issues later? It's another weird one. Of course it turns out that Booster Gold isn't the villain the story would let on, but he still comes across as peevish and resentful of Superman. Three-dimensional characters are great, but he doesn't seem likeable here. I bought a lot of Booster Gold comics off ebay a few years back and binged them. I don't remember them that much, but I remember liking it more than I did the issue of Booster Gold here. The art is a big contrast. Byrne draws a beautiful issue of action, but I found Dan Jurgens and Roy Richardson underwhelming in the BG issue.
Superman #12 is another odd one. It's a Lori Lemaris story that feels so tonally disconnected with the rest of what Byrne has been doing. At times, it feels like a Silver Age pastiche and I'm wondering whether Byrne took certain scenes from Lori's Silver Age origin. The issue is such an odd interlude that I've developed a pet theory. My guess is that Lori Lemaris must've been a personal favorite of Byrne's childhood fan days. Even though she may not fit in the post-Crisis Superman plans, Byrne may have wanted the chance to do one story featuring her before she written out. The mention of her death seems like an obliquely suggestion of another scene from Crisis being retained in some form in the combined universe, like earlier references to Chemo and Superboy. A framing sequence after the flashbook is very poignant and allows Byrne to draw a cool panel of sea life.
Byrne introduces some memorable villains in his run, and Silver Banshee is one of them. She has a great design. There's also a plot twist that I remember worried and then suprised me a kid. We get some big Lois Lane scenes. Byrne seems to change from issue to issue how close or adversarial Lois is with Clark. Or maybe this is another "it's complicated" relationship.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 9, 2023 10:19:06 GMT -5
Maybe it’s complicated.
Or maybe John Byrne is just not a very good writer.
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Post by spoon on Dec 10, 2023 17:30:01 GMT -5
From X-Men Epic Collection vol. 5: Second Genesis, I read Giant-Size X-Men #1 and X-Men #94-95. These are all comics I've read multiple times before. I think this is the fourth different format I have GSX #1 in, and I've read all of them in Classic X-Men. But I figured I'd use some credit card points to have these stories together in a convenient package and without the additions from the Classic X-Men stories. Also, there's at least one Iron Fist issue here that I've only read in black and white via an Essential, and I wanted to get the materials in the back of the book, like the materials from F.O.O.M.
The main credits page of the TPB has a general disclaimed about the book containing negative depictions, mistreatment, and stereotypes. My guess is that primarily refers to how Sunfire and Thunderbird are portrayed as jerks, and that Professor X taunts Thunderbird about the state of the Apache to goad him into joining the team.
With re-reading, I notice different things. For instance, Nightcrawler is the character whose appearance changes the most of the first few issues. Although this is considered Wolverine's original costume, it looks different than what Trimpe drew over in Incredible Hulk. Cockrum basically creates the standard Wolverine look. Dragonfly hypnotizes Cyclops in #95, but it backfires because his eye movement cause his visor to open. The idea of eye movement opening the visor is news to me. The two ways I've seen Cyclops operating it is by pushing studs on the size of his visor or by pushing buttons on the palms of his gloves. Another aberration in a character's power is Nightcrawler teleporting into the NORAD bunker sight unseen. Although technically possible, it becomes established that he doesn't teleport blind out of fear of materializing in solid matter. Also in #95, Cat-Man derisively tells Wolverine that his own claws are real. There's no retort from Wolverine that actually his are part of his body.
A few miscellaneous notes on GSX #1. Sunfire is the first character to call Nightcrawler misfit. Nightcrawler talks about being unhappy in a freak show, but I think it's later established that he got to perform as an acrobat and felt appreciated. Or maybe it was periods of both. There's a citation to Wolverine's previous appearance, but not for Banshee or Sunfire. I'm not sure if I just learned that Sunfire had appearances outside of X-Men #64 prior to now, or if I just forgot. I think I'd assumed his Iron Man appearance came later.
To me, Cockrum inking himself in GSX and Sam Grainger inking him in #95 both work better than Bob McLeod inking him in #94. Count Nefaria's Ani-Men seem to be the same team as the Unholy Three from the earliest issues of Daredevil, albeit with more members. I thought maybe back then they were just people in costumes, but it's made clear in #95 that they are mutated by an experiment to give them their animalistic appearances. They want to be changed back.
Some may it sucks to create a character just to kill them, especially since Thunderbird was a rare (at the time) Native American superhero portrayed as a jerk. But from a narrative perspective, I think it kind of works in the way that icctrombone thought Tigra being portrayed as out of her depth in Shooter's Avengers worked. While I think it doesn't work as well with Tigra given her prior experience, the elements are all there to tell the story for Thunderbird. He's a novice. He feels like he has something to prove. He's constantly ignoring Cyclops's order and misjudging risks. Plus, we get to see how it comes from a tragic confluence of events. The X-Men leave the injured and unconscious Thunderbird and Banshee behind, because they think they have to Doomsmith Machine. But Professor X eventually informs them the detonation sequence was already disabled by the battle. If that had been communicated earlier, Cyke is not in a rush to leave Thunderbird and Banshee behind and they don't rush off alone to try to stop Nefaria.
But how the heck does Xavier use his powers to determine a machine is disabled? By the same token how does Cerebro detect Krakoa as a mutant in GSX when Krakoa isn't even a human?
It's interesting how Wein (who is created as plotter while Claremont is "writer" (presumably scripter) on #94-95) makes roster moves right away. We're made to understand that X-Men's roster has remained intact throughout the reprint era, with the exception of Beast leaving at the beginning of his Amazing Adventures run. How convenient and implausible that everyone except Cyke decides to leave at the beginning of #94! None of them decided to leave before? None of them still feel the pull to stay now? The decision needed more space to breathe. Also, writing Sunfire out so quickly feels forced. Why would he have joined in the first place if he felt that way? I think an interesting What If? idea would be that somehow Sunfire decides to stay. As a flyer, his presence at the battle against Nefaria would then be crucial in preventing Thunderbird's death. Because his overexposure had not arrived yet, Wolverine doesn't appear on the cover to #94 or #95, aside from the corner box/circle.
I also look at some of the extra in the back of the TPB. I've seen some of Cockrum's unused character sketches in the X-Men 30th Anniversary Magazine, but I think there's even more material here. Here, there's a lot of text making clear how many of these character designs were originally intended by Cockrum for LOSH or a spinoff. Maybe Marvel wanted to minimize that in the 30th anniversary magazine.
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Post by spoon on Dec 11, 2023 23:17:20 GMT -5
Continuing through the X-Men Second Genesis Epic Collection, I re-read X-Men #96-97. When I first started putting together my X-Men back issue collection, I remember two of the first issues I read from this era were X-Men #97 (via Classic X-Men #5) and X-Men #101 (via Classic X-Men #9).
X-Men #96 has a very interesting artistic style, and the GCD surmises it was a combined effort of Sal Buscema, John Romita, and Dave Cockrum. I definitely see Romita in there, like in the Cyclops figure.
These are the first issues Chris Claremont plotted (albeit with a plot assist from Bill Mantlo on #96) rather than scripting over Wein's plot. It really shows, as Claremont starts developing the characters' personalities and starting his practice of seeding subplots that will play out over time. Nightcrawler starts to develop his fun-loving attitude, laughing at Wolverine in the Danger Room in #96 and deploying his image inducer for the first time to imitate Errol Flynn in #97. We get hints of Storm's backstory, with a couple of flashback panels without captions, that we'll eventually learn depict the attack in Cairo that orphaned her and buried her alive in rubble. We also learn that Wolverine isn't just pugnacious, but really disturb. He tries to slice Kurt up for laughing at him. Then, he slashes the demon Kierrok in a mad fury, lamenting that years of therapy and drugs haven't put his violent tendacies under control. But this early Wolverine, so a second after acting like a badass, he gets dunked on by Cyclops, who tells him Kierrok isn't dead. Cyclops had already repeatedly seemingly defeated Kierrok. One issue later, after Wolverine flips out at Cyke for not blasting his mind-controlled brother Alex out of the air, Cyke decks him. Other signs that Wolverine isn't a star yet: his missing from the cover of #97 (aside from the corner box), and aside from the splash page, Wolverine and Banshee don't appear until the last two pages of the story.
With regard to subplots, the focus is on setting up two upcoming stories. One is the Sentinel arc that comes immediately after these issues. There are several scenes of an anti-mutant fanatic named Dr. Steven Lang who is working on something called Project Armageddon. He says he is preparing for the mutant threat that Bolivar Trask and his son recognized. Hint, hint. The other plotline which will pay off a little bit later comes in the form of Xavier's nightmare of an alien battle with a creature in a spacesuit and someone who has taken up Cyclops's alias of Eric the Red.
Wein wrote all of the Silver Age X-Men except Cyclops out of the book in #94. Claremont almost immediately brings back all available Silver Age X-Men in #97. Beast has been in the Avengers since before GSX #1, while Angel and Iceman are already in the Champions (that was a short retirement). So that leaves Jean Grey (joining the current X-Men in seeing Xavier off at the airport for a vacation), and Polaris and Havok hypnotized by Eric the Red to attack the X-Men. Polaris has a cool, ornate, very evil-looking costume, so between her and Havok, it's two cool outfits. When you experience a series out of order by assembling back issues over time, you don't necessarily realize the chronology of firsts. It was a long time before I realized #97 was the first issue that Lorna adopted the codename Polaris; she was just called Lorna Dane before then. So Jean Grey followed in HER footsteps. It's kind of funky that Lorna kept a name that she first adopted while under mind control by a villain.
Speaking of Jean and Lorna, I'm realizing that Wein actually when backward in female representation. The team that Xavier first sent to Krakoa was four men and two women. When Wein writes a bunch of characters out in the opening pages of #94, it was suddenly six men and one woman.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 12, 2023 9:20:19 GMT -5
I read those not too long ago and I have to say I didn't like them as much as I thought I would.. alot of it is pretty clunky. I did finally get the next Epic (Proteus, which was super expensive for a while and finally got a 2nd print)... I'm looking forward to that with the Legion stuff. I finished the Sgt Fury epic I've been reading... it was ok for what it is.. superhero comics that happen to be set in WW II. Fury's team seem to have force fields and a weird hypnotic ability to get people to get into fist fights instead of using their guns . The issue where Hitler tries to shoot the Howlers on national TV personally is hilarious. Got FF Vol. 4 up next, then X-Men! I've also made some great progress on my 'to read' pile, which used to be a short box AND an overflowing milk crate.. not it's 1/2 a short box (that's stuff I want to finish getting the series of before I read) and the milk crate is only 2/3 full. Very pleased!
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 12, 2023 11:47:45 GMT -5
spoon, you keep referencing Wolfman but it was Len Wein who co-created and wrote the early issues of the new X-Men.
Cei-U! I summon the red pencil!
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Dec 12, 2023 12:35:05 GMT -5
I read the facsimile edition of Punch Comics #12 during my time away from the boards. This is one of my all time favorite comic book covers, one I thought I would never be able to own, so I snapped up the facsimile edition when I saw it solicited by PS Artbooks. When it arrived I read it. It has a great cover. Nothing else about that comic is good. Every story in it was putrid at best. This Golden Age book has nothing classic about it, except the cover. I've bagged and boarded the book, and I will probably work out some way to display that cover, but I will never open that comic to read again. -M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 12, 2023 16:15:31 GMT -5
Over the past week, I re-read Essential Iron Man vol. 4, which contained the earliest Iron Man stories I read as a kid and quite a few more besides.
Nostalgia probably helps a little, but I am still very impressed by the work George Tuska and Vince Colletta did together in there (and while I'm a little less enamoured of the Tuska/Giacoia or Tuska/Esposito teams, they were also quite good). Tuska draws very beautiful women, and I noticed how he would use a variety of body types and facial features for minor characters (something that had eluded me way back when).
Tuska draws the most massive Iron Man I've ever seen; the hero looks heavy. Not plump, but something you wouldn't want to trade blows with; by contrast, I always felt the Bob Layton Iron Man looked too thin (like C-3PO, say). The armour in those days was still what I see as a "proper" I.M. suit, although I do prefer the articulated fingers that came a bit later.
Heck, when you say that my least favourite artwork in the book was by Barry Smith, you know you have a winner!
Writers succeeding each other at a rapid pace in these issues make for a jumbled experience; Mike and Gary Friedrich (I never realized that both had worked on the title), Steve Gerber and Roy Thomas send Tony Stark this way and that, apparently not settling on whether he should reconcile with Marianne Rogers or not, and how to deal with the hero's playboy life. Also, are those strikers dead or not? Well, we'll say they're dead this month and change our mind the next because the repercussions would be a nightmare to deal with! But it's all good soap opera, so no complaint.
Well, scratch that... maybe one complaint. Iron Man being close to death because he's out of power and needs to be plugged into a wall socket was dramatic the first time, then the second, became tedious the third and was kind of silly the fourth... especially since he then realized that his heart had healed and he didn't need to be plugged in after all! In the same vein, having our hero almost dead at the end of one issue, then getting up at the start of the next and blasting his opponent in two pages thanks to "one last shot using all my power" feels a bit like cheating. (It usually coincided with a change of writers and a desire by the new one to start a new storyline as fast as possible, I guess).
The background stories were all sorts of fun. Union troubles, Directors' board troubles, shifting economics troubles, they were all used to give verisimilitude to the comic without bogging it down. I'm sure this all looked very serious and mature when I was a kid, and today it still works in that "comics don't have to make a lot of sense" way.
The book includes Jim Starlin's introduction of Drax and Thanos. I didn't realize it had occurred so early in the series, and for something produced by such a young creator, it is quite impressive. Was something ever done with Drax's powerful telepathic abilities? I don't remember them being ever mentioned elsewhere.
I had enough fun to order the third Essential book. I want to see the introduction of Firebrand! (But wasn't he killed like a chump by the Scourge in the '80s? I'm afraid to check).
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Post by spoon on Dec 12, 2023 17:46:19 GMT -5
spoon, you keep referencing Wolfman but it was Len Wein who co-created and wrote the early issues of the new X-Men. Cei-U! I summon the red pencil! Ugh. Oops. I think that was probably a combination of Wolfman getting stuck in my head seeing him credited as editor starting with #95, as well the letter W, and blending them together in my head as writers with link careers. I'll correct that in my original posts.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 12, 2023 19:59:23 GMT -5
I had enough fun to order the third Essential book. I want to see the introduction of Firebrand! (But wasn't he killed like a chump by the Scourge in the '80s? I'm afraid to check). Yes, and he wasn't even in costume. A sorry end for a great, albeit outdated, villain.
Cei-U! I summon the ignominy!
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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 12, 2023 20:03:51 GMT -5
Blue Devil #0-#4 and Captain Carrot #0-#2
What to say about these....Blue Devil has always been on my bucket list of comics that I wanted to read because I found the premise of a movie stuntman being fused to his powerful demon-like exo-skeleton to by a real world demon and having to cope with the hassles of living like that for the rest of his life rather interesting. It's not a particularly serious book and feels more like a throwback to silver age Marvel than a typical DC book of that era
Captain Carrot I had some reservations towards after wanting to fall in love with Peter Porker, The Spectacular Spider-Ham and just finding it rather dull, same goes for Thomas' writing style. Wasn't sure if this was going to be as "take it or leave it" as his time on Marvel's Invaders or DC's All-Star Squadron (I love and appreciate history as much as the next guy, but Roy kind of lays it on thick). Much like Blue Devil, it's not particularly serious and kind of has fun with it's own little world, which I appreciate
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 13, 2023 8:20:19 GMT -5
I had enough fun to order the third Essential book. I want to see the introduction of Firebrand! (But wasn't he killed like a chump by the Scourge in the '80s? I'm afraid to check). Yes, and he wasn't even in costume. A sorry end for a great, albeit outdated, villain.
Cei-U! I summon the ignominy!
I think Firebrand and Rampage would have made a great team. Down with the system, man! Eat the rich!
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