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Post by berkley on Nov 21, 2023 21:10:06 GMT -5
I read Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy's Prey storyline from Legends of the Dark Knight and thoroughly enjoyed it. The best strictly superhero story I've read in a long time. I think I prefer modern retellings of Golden Age Batman to anything a contemporary story can offer me. I did notice that even though the story was meant to be set at the beginning of Batman's career, the characters looked like they were living in 1990. This happened too many times for it to be coincidental. Does anyone know if that was the effect Gulacy was going for?
It's been a few years since I last read this but I don't think I even realised that it was meant to be from Batman's early career, or if I did, I must have assumed they were using the so-called "sliding timeline" so that his early career would have been only ten years or so before the time of publication. My perception may have been distorted as well by reading it for the first time around ten or more years after it came out. Regardless, I think the Moench/Gulacy Batman stories are my favourites for that character.
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Post by commond on Nov 21, 2023 21:36:34 GMT -5
It's definitely set during the early years of Batman's career. Gordon is still a police captain and Moench references Batman: Year One. Bruce completes the first model of the Batmobile during the storyline, but it's a pretty sleek looking design from Gulacy.
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Post by berkley on Nov 22, 2023 0:56:58 GMT -5
It's definitely set during the early years of Batman's career. Gordon is still a police captain and Moench references Batman: Year One. Bruce completes the first model of the Batmobile during the storyline, but it's a pretty sleek looking design from Gulacy.
Like you, I wish Gulacy had done more superhero work, but then I wish he'd done more work of every kind - speaking as a selfish consumer, that is, of course. I understand that his style and his particular kind of talent couldn't turn out monthly series over an extended period of time.
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 22, 2023 1:21:20 GMT -5
It’s such a great period for the Avengers. Especially #16 to #24. I love the dynamics of Cap, Wanda, Pietro and Hawkeye. They are seriously underpowered and they have to rely on skill, determination and luck to survive. And also Wanda’s hex power. That helps a lot too. I’d like to see a series, 6 to 12 issues, set in the period before Hank and Jan come back. Maybe play up the Black Widow’s role. And there should be a storyline examining Wanda’s hex power a little more closely. I think about Wanda's mutant powers a lot. She was actually pretty powerful before she learned any magic at all. That said, #25 is just about the worst Dr. Doom story ever. And there’s all sorts of looney stuff after Hank and Jan return. I like most of it, and I agree with you about Don Heck. But I always feel kind of disappointed. Cap’s Kooky Quartet was such a great idea that never really lived up to the potential of #18 to #24. Issue 16 is OK, mainly because of the change in the line-up and the dynamics you mention. Issues 19 to 22 are OK for someone interested in the characters/period. The only one I'd really like to get my hands on, is #29. Maybe because I read that one when I was a child, or maybe because it is, but I'd say this is the best Heck issue.
I can''t recommend any of the others.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 22, 2023 1:39:50 GMT -5
I was aware that the Superman mythos didn't originally place Smallville in Kansas, but I don't know when that happened. It appears the answer is 1978 or later, because this story describes Smallville as "nestled in the hills just inland from the Eastern Seaboard." Although the 1942 novel by George Lowther set Smallville in the Plains States, it was always "northeast of Metropolis" in the comics until the post-Crisis reboot.
Cei-U! I summon the DC atlas!
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Post by spoon on Nov 22, 2023 11:16:17 GMT -5
I was aware that the Superman mythos didn't originally place Smallville in Kansas, but I don't know when that happened. It appears the answer is 1978 or later, because this story describes Smallville as "nestled in the hills just inland from the Eastern Seaboard." Although the 1942 novel by George Lowther set Smallville in the Plains States, it was always "northeast of Metropolis" in the comics until the post-Crisis reboot.
Cei-U! I summon the DC atlas!
Interesting. It's also interesting to see how other media were involved in the mythos of comic book characters. Like I know kryptonite originated on a radio show.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 23, 2023 7:13:14 GMT -5
I just finished a 4 part series called Image united Plot: A criminal organization called the Covenant of the Sword unleashes a force that is separating the earth into 6 different planets. To stop this the Image heroes , led by Savant of the Wildcats , gathers a team to stop what is happening. Impressions: Kurt Busiek writes the book and a rotating team of artists ( Tony Daniels, Michael Ryan, Dan Norton) do the penciling. It's an average crossover story that does have a permanent effect. The Cyber-force world owned by Marc Silvestrie is separated from the rest of the Image universe. This is released in 1996 the same year that Lee and Liefeld did Heroes Reborn, so maybe Marc could see the handwriting on the wall and wanted to disassociate his properties from the rest. Easter eggs:While the earths are being separated , the Image heroes are visited by Marvel and other characters from other companies. Rating: I give it a C . I guess Buseik wasn't going to say no to a paycheck.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 25, 2023 9:47:52 GMT -5
I miss Busiek. It's too bad health problems or whatever have cut his production so much.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 26, 2023 13:06:11 GMT -5
Batman: The Doom That Came to Gothamstory: Mike Mignola, Richard Pace; art: Troy Nixey (pencils), Dennis Janke (inks), 2000 An Elseworlds story that I’d finally gotten around to reading this weekend. It’s set in 1928, Bruce Wayne, here a globe-trotting explorer and adventurer, first arrives in Antarctica to search for a missing research expedition from Gotham University. The only survivors are expedition leader Oswald Cobblepot, who’s now wandering around naked with the local penguins and talking apparent nonsense, and a researcher trying to excavate some kind of macabre monster imprisoned in ice at the bottom of a cavern. This prompts Wayne to return to Gotham after a 20-year absence with that researcher (who ends up being a zombie) in tow. This sets off series of events in Gotham, which – we learn – was established centuries ago by four men, Murford, Langstrom, Queen and Wayne, who basically made a deal with the devil to ensure their wealth and the city’s prosperity. And now the unholy ancient demon with whom they made their pact wants to claim his end of the bargain and once again rule over Earth. This is rather effectively told Lovecraftian horror tale using a number of characters from the Batman milieu, as well as a brief ill-fated appearance by Oliver Queen and the Demon Etrigan. The art by Nixey and Janke is pretty good and well-suited for the story being told - it's a bit reminiscent of Paul Pope's work at places. However, I think it would have been so much better if Mignola had also done the art rather than just co-writing the story. This edition I have – which is part of a series of hardcover graphic reprint collections published jointly in the UK by DC and Eaglemoss – also includes the short story “Gasworks” by Mignola and Nixey from Batman: Gotham Knights #36, as well as the first issue of Kirby’s The Demon.
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Post by spoon on Nov 30, 2023 23:12:36 GMT -5
I read the Superman: The Man of Steel vol. 5 TPB reprinting Superman #9-11 (excluding the "Metropolis 900 Mi" back-up story from #9), Action Comics #592-593, and Adventures of Superman #432-435. I might have more detailed comments with regard to individual later in shax's post-Crisis Superman thread.
I think it's a shame that the back-up was omitted for some reason. It was an interesting way to show what a dirtbag Lex Luthor is in a smaller, more human story. At least that's my recollection from reading it years ago. The Joker story in #9 is anti-climactic, because Joker doesn't seem like a real thread to Supes, in spite of somehow having a nuke. Byrne also draws an unexpectedly caricature-ish Joker. I like both Superman #10 and #11. The former has a lot of tension in how Superman's loss of control of his power will turn out and a villain who comes across as a legitimate threat. The part that smashes the suspension of disbelief is how we're told that there's no way to pin this on Luthor, when there's pretty solid evidence that could be developed. Byrne twists himself into a pretzel with weird arguments about untouchable Lex is. Superman #11 also has a real sense of danger mixes with absurdity in how Mr. Myxzptlk bends reality. I was scared for Lois even though I know how this turns out.
Action Comics #592-593 is the infamous Sleez/Barda/Mister Miracle story. The main purpose of the two-parter seems to be for Byrne to work weird fan fic type kink into actual published Superman comics. Why would someone who was supposedly once a trusted lieutenant have such a pervy, small-minded plot. But I can't work up any outrage over the story. First, it's a comic book. Byrne didn't have any actual human beings subjected to sex crimes under mind control. Second, the type of thing that I think ruins a character is stuff that alters them out-of-character so it makes them unusable as the heroes they are. In other words, it's not having a villain mistreat the hero; it's stuff like turning a hero into a villain for kicks or retconning out of existence interesting parts of their backstory. Plus, aside from the Sleez thing, Byrne continues to have great storytelling abilities. One of the exciting scenes is Mister Miracle . . . opening a door. That's magic. Also, there's a very jarring panel-to-panel transition in #593 which is actually an absolutely brilliant way to depict Scott Free's expertise as an escape artist.
Adventures of Superman continues to operate as a very different title from the two Byrne books. We get Superman involved in more realistic, street level action in this title. Adventures #432-434 is the gang war storyline. We get the debut of Gangbuster. He's an interesting character, but this amateur, powerless newbie is fighting alongside Superman emphasizes how hard it is to make the stakes serious. Jerry White (Perry's son) is in constant danger, but Jerry is so unlikely that it's hard to care. In that way, the main stakes are worrying how bad Perry would feel if something were to happen to his son. I also think that like Byrne, Wolfman doesn't do enough to make Luthor's ability to command impunity seem plausible.
But it's fascinating how aside from their different approaches, several of the elements Byrne and Wolfman share come across very differently in their respective titles. A notable example in this volume is Cat Grant. Until now, she's most just hung out in Adventures (think Deb Whitman in Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-Man). But Byrne suddenly seems to be working Cat into the mix. Wolfman has been portraying Cat as a three-dimensional person who could plausible attract Clark on a deeper level. Byrne portrays her more as a superficial sexpot who serves a foil for Lois Lane. Another small difference is that while Luthor's eyebrows look black most of the time, there's an attempt in one issue of Adventures to make them red.
I've read almost none of the Adventures issues prior to this binge, but I'm guessing this may be the end of Wolfman's time on the book. Both #434 and #435 look like tying up loses ends of either subplots Wolfman wanted the ownership to finish or maybe Byrne wasn't interested in. First, a path is provided possibly to write Cat out of the book. Second, #435 seems to conclude the of the Circle, also bringing the two new forgettable members of the Fearsome Five into the Circle mythos. In previous appearances, the Circle seemed weird in a bad way, like they didn't fit or there was no plan. The conclusion isn't any more satisfying. We get no real payoff or explanation. It's as if the dictate was "tie up this subplot in a way that has no importance or consequences going forward." The door is left slightly open, but in the slightest manner that could be readily ignore. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Post by Batflunkie on Dec 1, 2023 20:23:44 GMT -5
The Flash #300 Really great issue I thought. Basic gist is that Barry is in a hospital, bedridden and covered in bandages and told that everything he knows is a fabrication of his own mind and that he's living a lie. The payoff to the conclusion is pretty great
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Dec 1, 2023 21:17:15 GMT -5
One of my all-time fave Flash issues, maybe #1 actually
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 2, 2023 7:56:44 GMT -5
This is my favorite Flash Issue
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Post by chaykinstevens on Dec 2, 2023 8:58:01 GMT -5
I just finished a 4 part series called Image united Isn't it called Shattered Image? Image United seems to have been a half-finished series from 2009.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 2, 2023 9:03:42 GMT -5
Oops. I’m going to blame the spell correct.
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