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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 9, 2024 9:22:51 GMT -5
Many people are put off by the age difference between Gwen and Norman among the other troubling issues. We don't wanna face that woman like sex.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 9, 2024 9:25:46 GMT -5
Many people are put off by the age difference between Gwen and Norman among the other troubling issues. We don't wanna face that woman like sex. That women like or don’t like sex has nothing to do with any criticism of Sins Past that I’ve ever seen. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 9, 2024 9:48:14 GMT -5
Many people are put off by the age difference between Gwen and Norman among the other troubling issues. We don't wanna face that woman like sex. I'm not sure anyone has thought that since 1956, excepting some fundamentalist religious types. I agree with Confessor wholeheartedly about silly youtube 'reviews' also. Most of them are people that just want to be internet famous and have no knowledge or love for their material. |
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Post by commond on Jan 9, 2024 10:05:27 GMT -5
That Linkara dude was painfully unfunny.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 9, 2024 10:05:52 GMT -5
Many people are put off by the age difference between Gwen and Norman among the other troubling issues. We don't wanna face that woman like sex. I'm not sure anyone has thought that since 1956, excepting some fundamentalist religious types. I agree with Confessor wholeheartedly about silly youtube 'reviews' also. Most of them are people that just want to be internet famous and have no knowledge or love for their material. That does not describe Linkara at all. He has made 700 episodes of Atop the Fourth Wall over 15 years. It’s obvious that a lot of work goes into every episode, and it’s also obvious that he has a deep knowledge of what he’s talking about. |
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Post by MDG on Jan 9, 2024 12:44:22 GMT -5
It was quite the weekend for bad comics. icctrombone and I are going to do a joint thread where we’re reading and commenting on Thor. We don’t want to review the early issues one by one, so we’re just going to have general comments on JIM #83 to #96 when we start the thread. So we’re both reading those early issues each at his own pace. I read #90 to #92 over the weekend. The art on the Joe Sinnott issues is pretty good, but the Al Hartley art on #90 is pretty dismal, as are all three of the stories. But those issues of Journey into Mystery were the highlight of the weekend! I continued my project to read every issue of Detective Comics from #244 on. I’m making my way through the first year of the New Look issues, and I hit a bad patch. #335 and #336 are both pretty bad, and the next issue is the one with the flying caveman in the ice block. I haven’t been able to bring myself to read it yet. I don’t remember how bad #338 is. But once I get there, one of my favorites, the living beast bomb in #339, is next. I just gotta keep on swimming. ... I think everyone except Confessor did warn you how bad it was. It's "I can never get the time I spent reading those back" bad. Everyone here (and on just about ever other comic forum, message board, social media platform, etc.) has commented how bad it is. But now you've experienced it for yourself. -M Remember, though, #336 is "important" because it gets retro'd into Zatanna's origin. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 9, 2024 12:58:18 GMT -5
I think everyone except Confessor did warn you how bad it was. It's "I can never get the time I spent reading those back" bad. Everyone here (and on just about ever other comic forum, message board, social media platform, etc.) has commented how bad it is. But now you've experienced it for yourself. -M Remember, though, #336 is "important" because it gets retro'd into Zatanna's origin. I probably should’ve mentioned that. I never got around to commenting on #336 in the Batman thread. It’s still bad. I first saw it 20 or 30 years ago when I bought the 1970s issue of Detective that reprinted it. And I still remember thinking it was one of the worst Batman stories I’d ever read. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 9, 2024 14:21:56 GMT -5
Was re-reading Journey Into Mystery/Thor #114 and Creel's face he makes once he realizes he's now suddenly BURSTING with power never fails to make me laugh 
I think that's an exact depiction of Socrates when he drank and then they told him what it was.
Well, slight difference. Socrates knew just what he was going to drink and just what was going to happen. Maybe more like Jekyll's face as he turned into Mr. Hyde? |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 9, 2024 15:36:51 GMT -5
Even Linkara tried to warn me! But I wouldn’t listen! I haven't watched all of this, but I did watch as far as his commentary on the opening pages of the first issue...the scene with MJ rehearsing in an off-Broadway show called Cats Always Lie. This Linkara guy has completely missed the point of that scene. It's gone right over his head. That whole opening scene is simply there as foreshadowing. The director of the play telling MJ to "just tell the truth" and "stop acting" is, frankly, really obvious and not terribly sophisticated foreshadowing of the secret she carries about what happened between Gwen and Osborn (which she will later confess to Peter). The fact that this "reviewer" missed that and even offers criticism of the director's coaching style -- as if that is in any way relevant! -- says to me that he hasn't got the smarts to review the ingredients on a cereal packet. Given his failure to pick up on such an obvious literary device, I decided his opinion was basically worthless. Which is not to say that your reaction to "Sins Past" should change or isn't valid, Hoosier. Or that it in any way strengthens my championing of that story. My point isn't really about "Sins Past" at all. It's more that this Linkara fella, like so many other self-appointed "reviewers" or "critics" on YouTube, doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to literary criticism. I see clowns like this reviewing albums or films all the time on YT too -- and they really don't have any business putting their opinions out there in front of the public as if it's worthy of anybody's time. It's also why I hate "reaction" videos. Life is too short to waste time watching know-nothing, attention-seeking morons try to tell me whether some piece of music, film, theatre etc has any merit or not. [/grumpy rant over]  Linkara knows what foreshadowing is. And he also knows that bad writing doesn’t get a pass just because it’s being passed off as foreshadowing. His comments on the awkwardness of that audition and the “stop acting” cliche are legitimate criticisms. |
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Post by Confessor on Jan 9, 2024 17:08:10 GMT -5
That does not describe Linkara at all. He has made 700 episodes of Atop the Fourth Wall over 15 years. It’s obvious that a lot of work goes into every episode, and it’s also obvious that he has a deep knowledge of what he’s talking about. While I'm sure he knows a lot of facts about superpowered men in capes, he seems to be completely lacking in anything approaching critical perception, judging from the 15 minutes or so of that episode that I watched. He's also the opposite of a funny and engaging presenter. Linkara knows what foreshadowing is. He may know what foreshadowing is in theory, but I think it speaks volumes that he failed to spot such an obvious example of it in that issue. And he also knows that bad writing doesn’t get a pass just because it’s being passed off as foreshadowing. His comments on the awkwardness of that audition and the “stop acting” cliche are legitimate criticisms. I think you've missed my point. You also seem to be getting a bit annoyed about this for some reason and I'm not sure why (unless I'm misunderstanding the tone of your posts). But I'm definitely not interested in bickering. I think I'm gonna duck out of this discussion because I didn't really want to get drawn into yet another long back-and-forth about "Sins Past", in all honesty. As I said earlier, I know I won't change anybody's mind about it. I just wanted to post some thoughts on the recent comics that I'd read. Though I do appreciate you taking the time to read it, Hoosier, to see what all the fuss is about, even if you didn't like it. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 9, 2024 17:30:04 GMT -5
That does not describe Linkara at all. He has made 700 episodes of Atop the Fourth Wall over 15 years. It’s obvious that a lot of work goes into every episode, and it’s also obvious that he has a deep knowledge of what he’s talking about. While I'm sure he knows a lot of facts about superpowered men in capes, he seems to be completely lacking in anything approaching critical perception, judging from the 15 minutes or so of that episode that I watched. He's also the opposite of a funny and engaging presenter. Linkara knows what foreshadowing is. He may know what foreshadowing is in theory, but I think it speaks volumes that he failed to spot such an obvious example of it in that issue. And he also knows that bad writing doesn’t get a pass just because it’s being passed off as foreshadowing. His comments on the awkwardness of that audition and the “stop acting” cliche are legitimate criticisms. I think you've missed my point. You also seem to be getting a bit arsey about this for some reason and I'm not sure why (unless I'm misunderstanding the tone of your posts). I'm not interested in bickering. I think I'm gonna duck out of this discussion because I didn't really want to get drawn into yet another long discussion about "Sins Past", in all honesty. As I said, I know I won't change anybody's mind about it. I just wanted to post some thoughts on the recent comics I'd read. Though I do appreciate you taking the time to read it, Hoosier, to see what all the fuss is about, even if you didn't like it. If you watched a full 15 minutes, you would have noticed that Linkara makes an effort not to give things away until he gets to that part of the narrative. He couldn’t draw attention to any foreshadowing without giving away a later part of the story. All I’m doing is disagreeing and trying to explain why. I can see that you’re not really that interested in my reaction, so there’s no reason to continue. |
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Post by Confessor on Jan 9, 2024 17:37:12 GMT -5
All I’m doing is disagreeing and trying to explain why. I can see that you’re not really that interested in my reaction, so there’s no reason to continue. Actually, I am interested in your thoughts and was glad you took the time to read the arc. But obviously we don't agree on its merits and neither of us is likely to change our minds on that score, I would think. So probably best to move on. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 9, 2024 17:43:00 GMT -5
All I’m doing is disagreeing and trying to explain why. I can see that you’re not really that interested in my reaction, so there’s no reason to continue. Actually, I am interested in your thoughts and was glad you took the time to read the arc. But obviously we don't agree on its merits and neither of us is likely to change our minds on that score, I would think. So probably best to move on. Yeah. You sound like you’re really interested in my thoughts. 😆 |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 9, 2024 17:54:01 GMT -5
I got no dog in this fight because I've never read Sins Past and likely never will. But I've known more than enough girls with Daddy issues to say that it's not remotely unthinkable for someone Gwen's age to get involved with someone Norman Osborne's age. Now...if it makes sense for those two characters...I'll remain scrupulously neutral.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 9, 2024 17:59:40 GMT -5
I got no dog in this fight because I've never read Sins Past and likely never will. But I've known more than enough girls with Daddy issues to say that it's not remotely unthinkable for someone Gwen's age to get involved with someone Norman Osborne's age. Now...if it makes sense for those two characters...I'll remain scrupulously neutral. Very few people criticizing Sins Past has argued that its unthinkable because of the age difference. Certainly nobody in the current discussion. |
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