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Post by DubipR on Feb 16, 2016 21:25:22 GMT -5
I loathed Hush because it was just another recycled Long Halloween and Dark Victory story..nothing special. And my disliking for Jim Lee's artwork makes that run even more for me to not care. I totally missed the Jim Lee craze. The Image books and Dc comics he's drawn are very pretty to look at but I don't really see story telling skills that separate the men from the boys. Only good work Lee ever drew was Punisher War Journal #s 1 and 2, but he was basically tracing Carl Pott's layouts |
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 16, 2016 22:54:39 GMT -5
Unpopular with most, but I like
Identity Crisis
Shazam ! back up in Justice League
Giffen and Bierbaums Legion
the last O.M.A.C. series
Justice League Dark
DC's First Wave pulp series
Infinity Man and the Forever People
The Shadow by Andrew Helfer
yeah, I love me some DC
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Post by String on Feb 18, 2016 10:51:10 GMT -5
I love Denny O' Neil's run on Iron Man from #178-208 almost as much as the Michelinie/Layton runs. I also highly enjoyed O'Neil's Daredevil run from #194-225. Never really hear much love for these particular runs. But I don't hear hate for them. O'Neill's Daredevils are certainly overshadowed by being between two Miller eras, but I tended to like those stories, and haven't heard of them being hated. It's also overlooked that Mazzucchelli started his time on DD with O'Neill too. He may have reached new creative heights and success with Miller but Mazz did some fine work with O'Neill. It's also strange that, as with his run with DD being sandwhiched between classic Miller runs, O'Neill's Iron Man run is sandwhiched between classic Michelinie/Layton runs. But I loved that run just as much. The way O'Neill treated Tony's falling off the wagon, his long road to sobriety and recovery, and Rhodey's personal issues with taking over the Iron Man role, some great drama and characterization there. I'm so glad that the Epic Collection series has reprinted the majority of O'Neill's IM run. I also love Azrael. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 18, 2016 14:34:40 GMT -5
One of the books I loved the most when it was published was Major Bummer at DC, which didn't seem to garn much love (hence cancelation after 15 issues). It was the one book that back hten managed to get me to laugh out loud. The premise was goofy ( two aliens fumble their university studies graduation project by making a human slacker into a super hero instead of the regular hero they were supposed to use as a guinea pig), but in the best way possible. You get hte creative team of The Mask at their strongest, right before Arcudi became the architect of the Hellboy universe and Doug Mahnke became an A-list artist.  Oh, and I relucantly must admit I enjoyed Long Halloween and that Roma Catwoman thing alright, despises Hush as much as one can do, but loved Superman For All Seasons incondtionaly. |
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Post by Mormel on Feb 18, 2016 16:17:00 GMT -5
But I don't hear hate for them. O'Neill's Daredevils are certainly overshadowed by being between two Miller eras, but I tended to like those stories, and haven't heard of them being hated. It's also overlooked that Mazzucchelli started his time on DD with O'Neill too. He may have reached new creative heights and success with Miller but Mazz did some fine work with O'Neill. It's also strange that, as with his run with DD being sandwhiched between classic Miller runs, O'Neill's Iron Man run is sandwhiched between classic Michelinie/Layton runs. But I loved that run just as much. The way O'Neill treated Tony's falling off the wagon, his long road to sobriety and recovery, and Rhodey's personal issues with taking over the Iron Man role, some great drama and characterization there. I'm so glad that the Epic Collection series has reprinted the majority of O'Neill's IM run. I also love Azrael. I can't wait to get my mitts on the "Duel of Iron" Epic, collecting IM #178-195, due for release at the end of March this year. Since I have the 'Iron Monger' HC, it will complete my run of O'Neill's run on Iron Man. Really looking forward to see what happens in-between. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Feb 18, 2016 19:49:33 GMT -5
I'm going to take advantage of the fact that nowhere in tolworthy's initial post does he specify that these have to be stories found in comics so here are a couple of films I love that yes, I think everyone hates.
Punisher: War Zone. I'm not really even a fan of those modern superhero movies that are supposed to be great (I can't stand Christian Bale as Batman, for instance) but I thought this film nailed The Punisher perfectly while adding a daring angle to the story that the comics themselves have rarely (if ever outside of What If's) touched upon by having Castle kill an innocent person. Not everyone's a Punisher fan and I get that, but even die hard fans of the guy seemed to hate this picture. I guess I could address the perceived problems with this film but I honestly don't know what they could be.
Howard the Duck. I saw this in theatres when it came out and I was seven years old. Because of my age, the concept of hating anything comic book related was completely alien to me. Since I haven't seen the movie since I was about eight or nine I am unable to update my opinion on it, leaving my views of it then as my views on it now. Strangely, I haven't even accidentally come across any info on the legion of sequels and spin offs it surely must have spawned. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2016 20:28:33 GMT -5
One of the books I loved the most when it was published was Major Bummer at DC, which didn't seem to garn much love (hence cancelation after 15 issues). It was the one book that back hten managed to get me to laugh out loud. The premise was goofy ( two aliens fumble their university studies graduation project by making a human slacker into a super hero instead of the regular hero they were supposed to use as a guinea pig), but in the best way possible. You get hte creative team of The Mask at their strongest, right before Arcudi became the architect of the Hellboy universe and Doug Mahnke became an A-list artist. Oh, and I relucantly must admit I enjoyed Long Halloween and that Roma Catwoman thing alright, despises Hush as much as one can do, but loved Superman For All Seasons incondtionaly. I have that entire run and you're right, it's underrated. Interesting that It's owned by Arcudi and Mahnke. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 18, 2016 20:29:42 GMT -5
It's also overlooked that Mazzucchelli started his time on DD with O'Neill too. He may have reached new creative heights and success with Miller but Mazz did some fine work with O'Neill. It's also strange that, as with his run with DD being sandwhiched between classic Miller runs, O'Neill's Iron Man run is sandwhiched between classic Michelinie/Layton runs. But I loved that run just as much. The way O'Neill treated Tony's falling off the wagon, his long road to sobriety and recovery, and Rhodey's personal issues with taking over the Iron Man role, some great drama and characterization there. I'm so glad that the Epic Collection series has reprinted the majority of O'Neill's IM run. I also love Azrael. I can't wait to get my mitts on the "Duel of Iron" Epic, collecting IM #178-195, due for release at the end of March this year. Since I have the 'Iron Monger' HC, it will complete my run of O'Neill's run on Iron Man. Really looking forward to see what happens in-between. Love that run. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 23:19:07 GMT -5
It's also overlooked that Mazzucchelli started his time on DD with O'Neill too. He may have reached new creative heights and success with Miller but Mazz did some fine work with O'Neill. It's also strange that, as with his run with DD being sandwhiched between classic Miller runs, O'Neill's Iron Man run is sandwhiched between classic Michelinie/Layton runs. But I loved that run just as much. The way O'Neill treated Tony's falling off the wagon, his long road to sobriety and recovery, and Rhodey's personal issues with taking over the Iron Man role, some great drama and characterization there. I'm so glad that the Epic Collection series has reprinted the majority of O'Neill's IM run. I also love Azrael. I can't wait to get my mitts on the "Duel of Iron" Epic, collecting IM #178-195, due for release at the end of March this year. Since I have the 'Iron Monger' HC, it will complete my run of O'Neill's run on Iron Man. Really looking forward to see what happens in-between. That is one of my favorite runs too. I was only missing #178-188 so instead of waiting for the trade and paying for some issues that I already had I bought the single issues i needed less than 2 weeks ago from MyComicShop. |
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 19, 2016 2:48:30 GMT -5
I'm going to take advantage of the fact that nowhere in tolworthy's initial post does he specify that these have to be stories found in comics so here are a couple of films I love that yes, I think everyone hates.
Punisher: War Zone. I'm not really even a fan of those modern superhero movies that are supposed to be great (I can't stand Christian Bale as Batman, for instance) but I thought this film nailed The Punisher perfectly while adding a daring angle to the story that the comics themselves have rarely (if ever outside of What If's) touched upon by having Castle kill an innocent person. Not everyone's a Punisher fan and I get that, but even die hard fans of the guy seemed to hate this picture. I guess I could address the perceived problems with this film but I honestly don't know what they could be.
Howard the Duck. I saw this in theatres when it came out and I was seven years old. Because of my age, the concept of hating anything comic book related was completely alien to me. Since I haven't seen the movie since I was about eight or nine I am unable to update my opinion on it, leaving my views of it then as my views on it now. Strangely, I haven't even accidentally come across any info on the legion of sequels and spin offs it surely must have spawned. I somehow only saw the ending of Howard (must have been on TV) but the special effects were amazing. The tentacled creature, whatever it was - the SFX team deserves an award, but nobody noticed. This was seven years before Jurassic Park supposedly proved that CGI mixed with real effects could be seamless. I was so impressed. Can't really comment on the rest of the story, but that ending bowled me over. Stallone's Judge DreddI loved the first Judge Dredd movie, but could not take the second one seriously. As you know, I like to treat my stories as absolutely real. For me the humour of early Judge Dredd is what made it work: Mega City 1 was so dysfunctional, so absurd, that the only way it could function (IMO) is if people like Dredd treated it as a joke. For the second Dredd to treat it seriously made it totally unrealistic IMO. But an absurdist take works. Much like great philosophers can be relaxed and crack jokes, and talk about being nice to people even though they are well aware that life in many respects is a cruel joke and far worse than we can imagine. It's all very meta. Without Dredd 1's layer of craziness you have to start asking serious questions, like "why send a rookie judge in with an exposed neck and no helmet?" Every scene in Dredd 2 had me rolling my eyes. They expect me to take this seriously? But Dredd 1 was so wild, so different, that yes, I can believe that maybe the future is like that. Creaky old Dr WhoI feel the same way about very old sci fi movies. I want my sci-fi to be a world where people think differently on a fundamental level, and don't just repackage modern sensibilities. I recently saw a very early Dr Who, it may have been the very first Dalek episode? The people were weak, the daleks were weak, people were slow and afraid and the biggest problem was cowardice. I loved it! This would never fly in the era of modern CGI. But this was 1963: these actors actually fought in World War II. They lived in an era where atomic annihilation was real, and where the class system was more visible than it is today. It felt so different, so real to me. If daleks are real then I bet this is how they are really. In a crazy dysfunctional universe, a class system, stupidity, weakness and wasted time are the norm. Kind of like how warfare in the real world is more like hungry child soldiers in Africa, and not like G I Joe. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 3:06:48 GMT -5
Creaky old Dr WhoI feel the same way about very old sci fi movies. I want my sci-fi to be a world where people think differently on a fundamental level, and don't just repackage modern sensibilities. I recently saw a very early Dr Who, it may have been the very first Dalek episode? The people were weak, the daleks were weak, people were slow and afraid and the biggest problem was cowardice. I loved it! This would never fly in the era of modern CGI. But this was 1963: these actors actually fought in World War II. They lived in an era where atomic annihilation was real, and where the class system was more visible than it is today. It felt so different, so real to me. If daleks are real then I bet this is how they are really. In a crazy dysfunctional universe, a class system, stupidity, weakness and wasted time are the norm. Kind of like how warfare in the real world is more like hungry child soldiers in Africa, and not like G I Joe. But wouldn't that precisely be a repackage of the then current modern sensibilities? |
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 19, 2016 3:23:56 GMT -5
Yes, definitely. And in 60 years time I will find Transformers fascinating too. I want my differnt worlds to feel different. if they are just the modern world repainted I feel cheated. I can get that on Facebook for free. (But I think that episode had additional realism because it was a war story written by people who had participated in war.) |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 3:30:19 GMT -5
Yes, definitely. And in 60 years time I will find Transformers fascinating too. I want my differnt worlds to feel different. if they are just the modern world repainted I feel cheated. I can get that on Facebook for free. (But I think that episode had additional realism because it was a war story written by people who had participated in war.) I then hope for your own sake you're long dead before that happens  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 19, 2016 6:16:00 GMT -5
Stallone's Judge DreddI loved the first Judge Dredd movie, but could not take the second one seriously. As you know, I like to treat my stories as absolutely real. For me the humour of early Judge Dredd is what made it work: Mega City 1 was so dysfunctional, so absurd, that the only way it could function (IMO) is if people like Dredd treated it as a joke. For the second Dredd to treat it seriously made it totally unrealistic IMO. But an absurdist take works. Much like great philosophers can be relaxed and crack jokes, and talk about being nice to people even though they are well aware that life in many respects is a cruel joke and far worse than we can imagine. It's all very meta. Without Dredd 1's layer of craziness you have to start asking serious questions, like "why send a rookie judge in with an exposed neck and no helmet?" Every scene in Dredd 2 had me rolling my eyes. They expect me to take this seriously? But Dredd 1 was so wild, so different, that yes, I can believe that maybe the future is like that. Man, I really enjoyed that film. It had many scenes that looked like other movies like Star Wars but maybe it's most redeeming feature was that it showcased a young beautiful Diana Lane. |
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Post by Mormel on Feb 19, 2016 6:32:30 GMT -5
I greatly enjoyed 'Judge Dredd', but I figure part of that is due to my not having read any of the comics yet (taking forever to get around to it), but I can understand how it deviates so far from the source material that fans hate it.
Between 'Judge Dredd' and 'Demolition Man' (that other action cop movie featuring Stallone and Schneider in a totalitarian future), I prefer the former.
I also liked 'Dredd'.
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