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Post by tolworthy on Feb 15, 2016 13:30:43 GMT -5
I'm currently re-reading FF annual 16, the Steve Ditko one that most fans either hate or prefer to forget. But I love it. It's my joint favourite single issue, and I could rave about it for hours.
Are there any stories that you love, but most fans hate?
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 15, 2016 13:34:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't say "love" but I enjoyed the Emerald Twilight three part Green Lantern Story where he gets replaced by Kyle Raynor.
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 15, 2016 14:41:45 GMT -5
While I don't know that everybody hates it, many don't remember the Harras/Epting era of Avengers fondly, and many more have read none of it.
But I love the Gatherers Saga. It remains one of the great superhero stories in my mind, and was one of the earliest truly great superhero stories I ever read, aged 11.
The best part is the ending of every issue that makes it up.
(For those curious the saga runs Avengers #343-344,348,349*,355-363,367*,370-375. It somewhat awkwardly weaves itself around Operation: Galactic Storm and its aftermath, as well as the Bloodties X-Men crossover. 349 and 367 are Vision-centric fill-in issues of some tangential relevance. 367 is tricky as it adds a bit to all the unrelated subplots of the era: Galactic Storm, Bloodties, an ongoing Hercules/Hera conflict, the Gatherers Saga, and some recent developments for Vision)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 14:53:16 GMT -5
While I don't know that everybody hates it, many don't remember the Harras/Epting era of Avengers fondly, and many more have read none of it. But I love the Gatherers Saga. It remains one of the great superhero stories in my mind, and was one of the earliest truly great superhero stories I ever read, aged 11. The best part is the ending of every issue that makes it up. (For those curious the saga runs Avengers #343-344,348,349*,355-363,367*,370-375. It somewhat awkwardly weaves itself around Operation: Galactic Storm and its aftermath, as well as the Bloodties X-Men crossover. 349 and 367 are Vision-centric fill-in issues of some tangential relevance. 367 is tricky as it adds a bit to all the unrelated subplots of the era: Galactic Storm, Bloodties, an ongoing Hercules/Hera conflict, the Gatherers Saga, and some recent developments for Vision) I enjoyed that run when it came out, as I had just been getting back into Avengers and comics in general after a hiatus, but when I went back and tried to reread it later (post-Crossing, pre-Heores Return) I found I just couldn't get into it at all and didn't enjoy it a second time through. Now, however many years later I don't know if I would like it or not, but I don't plan a reread any time soon (and no longer have the issues if I did decide to do it). -M |
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 15, 2016 15:10:49 GMT -5
I love The Dark Knight Strikes Back. Almost as much as The Dark Knight Returns.
I also rather enjoyed Hush. Mostly for the art but also because it's gloriously silly like a Silver Age Lois Lane comic.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 15, 2016 15:30:06 GMT -5
I love The Dark Knight Strikes Back. Almost as much as The Dark Knight Returns. I also rather enjoyed Hush. Mostly for the art but also because it's gloriously silly like a Silver Age Lois Lane comic. I like almost all of Jeph Loeb's stuff. He is *great* at writing to the strengths of his artists, and lets 'em show off skills that nobody knows they have (like those painterly flashback pages from Jim Lee in HUSH.) And he seems to have a boundless, cheerful enthusiasm for his work. He's Godawful at plotting, but I'm not really a plot guy anyway. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 15, 2016 15:32:29 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the Fantastic Four run from 358-to about 410. Most people find it to be a down time but Defalco and Ryan kept me coming back every month. It featured Alicia being exposed as a Skull, the Death of Reed Richards... And also this:  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 15, 2016 15:48:39 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the Fantastic Four run from 358-to about 410. Most people find it to be a down time but Defalco and Ryan kept me coming back every month. It featured Alicia being exposed as a Skull, the Death of Reed Richards...  Mmmmh... Count me in the majority on this one!  |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Feb 15, 2016 16:44:36 GMT -5
Hush is not enjoyed by everyone? Maybe I have to re-read it again but it was beautifully drawn IMO. Great appearances from every Batman villain and character you could ever hope for. The plot was a bit silly and underwhelming as I recall (I read it 2 years ago now) so maybe I could revisit that portion but I remember thinking it was just good comic fun!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 17:13:37 GMT -5
Hush is not enjoyed by everyone? Maybe I have to re-read it again but it was beautifully drawn IMO. Great appearances from every Batman villain and character you could ever hope for. The plot was a bit silly and underwhelming as I recall (I read it 2 years ago now) so maybe I could revisit that portion but I remember thinking it was just good comic fun! See, you answered your own question. I liked it though. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 15, 2016 17:15:32 GMT -5
I love The Dark Knight Strikes Back. Almost as much as The Dark Knight Returns. I also rather enjoyed Hush. Mostly for the art but also because it's gloriously silly like a Silver Age Lois Lane comic. I like almost all of Jeph Loeb's stuff. He is *great* at writing to the strengths of his artists, and lets 'em show off skills that nobody knows they have (like those painterly flashback pages from Jim Lee in HUSH.) And he seems to have a boundless, cheerful enthusiasm for his work. He's Godawful at plotting, but I'm not really a plot guy anyway. Aside from Hush, I'm not a big fan of Loeb. I suspect his bad Raymond Chandleresque homages wouldn't bother me so much if I hadn't read so much Chandler. When in Rome was truly terrible. If I had read it before Hush or The Long Halloween, I probably wouldn't have read Loeb ever again. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Feb 15, 2016 17:22:30 GMT -5
Great appearances from every Batman villain and character you could ever hope for. This is a huge weakness for Hush if you try to take it seriously. Too many characters shoe-horned in, frequently not consistent with past versions, a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense, gratuitous fan service appearances. But the art and the breezy tone makes it work ... just barely! The Long Halloween, on the other hand, takes itself way too seriously and is just so darn silly at the same it is acting like a BIG IMPORTANT STORY. And a lot of fans think it is a BIG IMPORTANT STORY. It starts out OK but it gets sillier and sillier and doesn't work for me at all by the time it's over. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 15, 2016 17:24:32 GMT -5
I like almost all of Jeph Loeb's stuff. He is *great* at writing to the strengths of his artists, and lets 'em show off skills that nobody knows they have (like those painterly flashback pages from Jim Lee in HUSH.) And he seems to have a boundless, cheerful enthusiasm for his work. He's Godawful at plotting, but I'm not really a plot guy anyway. Aside from Hush, I'm not a big fan of Loeb. I suspect his bad Raymond Chandleresque homages wouldn't bother me so much if I hadn't read so much Chandler. When in Rome was truly terrible. If I had read it before Hush or The Long Halloween, I probably wouldn't have read Loeb ever again. I think I read When In Rome but I don't remember much about it. I liked the Loeb/Sale Marvel books better. |
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Post by berkley on Feb 15, 2016 17:38:14 GMT -5
I know there are several Gerber fans here who agree with me that Howard the Duck #16, the "Deadline Doom" issue, is great, but apparently lots of people think it was self-indulgent crap and really hate it.
Not a particular story, but I don't come across many fans who think, as I do, that the early Don Perlin Moon Knight is better than the Sinkiewicz version.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 17:40:30 GMT -5
I love Denny O' Neil's run on Iron Man from #178-208 almost as much as the Michelinie/Layton runs.
I also highly enjoyed O'Neil's Daredevil run from #194-225.
Never really hear much love for these particular runs.
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