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Post by MDG on Feb 19, 2016 17:06:05 GMT -5
I never hear anyone mention the Englehart/Rogers + Gerber/Golden issues of Mr. Miracle. Got strangled in the cradle,but I loved it!
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 19, 2016 19:48:18 GMT -5
I actually love Mark Millar's run of Sam Slade- Robo Hunter, like a lot. So much so that I actually went out of my way to purchase the first serial that was reprinted in 2000 AD Showcase #8-#10. Miller's Slade run is so notoriously hated and loathed by fans of the character that Rebellion didn't even reprint it in the collected editions Jose Casanova Sr.'s artwork is also pretty amazing too  |
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Post by chadwilliam on Feb 19, 2016 20:50:01 GMT -5
Creaky old Dr Who I want my sci-fi to be a world where people think differently on a fundamental level, and don't just repackage modern sensibilities. I recently saw a very early Dr Who, it may have been the very first Dalek episode? The people were weak, the daleks were weak, people were slow and afraid and the biggest problem was cowardice. I loved it! This would never fly in the era of modern CGI. But this was 1963: these actors actually fought in World War II. They lived in an era where atomic annihilation was real, and where the class system was more visible than it is today. It felt so different, so real to me. If daleks are real then I bet this is how they are really. In a crazy dysfunctional universe, a class system, stupidity, weakness and wasted time are the norm. Kind of like how warfare in the real world is more like hungry child soldiers in Africa, and not like G I Joe.
My love for William Hartnell's Doctor is second only to that of Tom Baker - that this isn't reflected in those silly little polls that always rate Hartnell towards the bottom is so nonsensical it's inoffensive. This low ranking is, of course, due to the lack of exposure that Hartnell's stories have had and it's that which is infuriating. Discovering these episodes in the late 1990's after already being a fan for about 10 years of the Jon Pertwee/Tom Baker material was like finding a lost Beatles album. I had never seen such a combination of character traits in any fictional being before or since.
The mercurial sense of humour; movements through time and space that seemed to be based upon a desire to peak down the barely trodden back lanes of history rather than more well worn front streets; the emotional distance Hartnell maintained from events around him coupled with a defiantly strong set of principles arrived at through his own personal set of ideals; the development of a man who selfishly kidnapped his first companions while blaming them for their intrusion into his TARDIS into a being who felt genuine remorse for what he had done and genuine sadness when he finally found a way to return them home.
Hartnell didn't follow any kind of formula that I'm aware of - he could be selfish enough to jeopardize the lives of everyone around him simply to satisfy his scientific curiousity (in the first appearance of the Daleks he intentionally sabotages the TARDIS to force Ian and Barbara to help him explore the Thal city to look for a replacement piece to his ship) and self sacrificing enough that when the time came, he forced himself to turn his back on his granddaughter for the sake of a demolished Earth's future (the source of the famous "One day, I shall come back..." speech). He possessed a sense of humour that made the young people around him look unhip and set in their ways ("Well, what do you think of that, young man, a Viking helmet, eh?" "Maybe". "What do you mean 'maybe'? What do you think it is - a helmet for a space cow?" or his insistence while being interrogated that he arrived on a hostile planet by way of a penny farthing bicycle) and a sort of poetic ingenuity when it came to defeating his opponents (the way he dealt with a fellow rogue Gallifreyan by simply reducing his TARDIS to the size of a small cupboard and leaving stranding him on Earth in the year 1066.
As for special effects/CGI/whatever - if William Hartnell/Patrick Troughton/Jon Pertwee/Tom Baker/etc is on your TV screen and you're staring at wobbly sets or flimsy props, you're not watching properly.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 19, 2016 21:55:55 GMT -5
The grim outlook of classic Doctor Who is such a stark contrast to it's latest incarnation that it's almost as if they're not even of the same ilk. the Harnell and Troughton years are probably the series' golden era and it's a travesty that so many episodes of earlier Who are lost to time itself
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Post by Warmonger on Feb 19, 2016 23:36:16 GMT -5
Rick Remender's Frankencastle series
I've always loved Frank and I've always loved the old Universal Monster movies.
Goofy, cheesy and awesome.
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Post by berkley on Feb 20, 2016 0:06:39 GMT -5
I never hear anyone mention the Englehart/Rogers + Gerber/Golden issues of Mr. Miracle. Got strangled in the cradle,but I loved it! One of the very few New Gods runs by anyone other than Kirby that I like. And the artwork inked by Russ Heath is my favourite ever by Golden. |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 20, 2016 2:03:15 GMT -5
Taking the helmet off was still a mistake, though... Oh, an unforgivable one. It's the films great failing. |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 20, 2016 2:16:56 GMT -5
I actually love Mark Millar's run of Sam Slade- Robo Hunter, like a lot. So much so that I actually went out of my way to purchase the first serial that was reprinted in 2000 AD Showcase #8-#10. Miller's Slade run is so notoriously hated and loathed by fans of the character that Rebellion didn't even reprint it in the collected editions Jose Casanova Sr.'s artwork is also pretty amazing too I must admit, I like the art. It's just a shame about the writing. I can only assume from the avaiabe evidence that Millar had never actually read a Robo-Hunter story in his life before taking the job. It's not just that he totally disregards established continuity, his Slade is simply not the same character as the one Wagner, Grant and Gibson gave us. |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 20, 2016 2:23:57 GMT -5
My love for William Hartnell's Doctor is second only to that of Tom Baker - that this isn't reflected in those silly little polls that always rate Hartnell towards the bottom is so nonsensical it's inoffensive. This low ranking is, of course, due to the lack of exposure that Hartnell's stories have had and it's that which is infuriating. Discovering these episodes in the late 1990's after already being a fan for about 10 years of the Jon Pertwee/Tom Baker material was like finding a lost Beatles album. I had never seen such a combination of character traits in any fictional being before or since.
The mercurial sense of humour; movements through time and space that seemed to be based upon a desire to peak down the barely trodden back lanes of history rather than more well worn front streets; the emotional distance Hartnell maintained from events around him coupled with a defiantly strong set of principles arrived at through his own personal set of ideals; the development of a man who selfishly kidnapped his first companions while blaming them for their intrusion into his TARDIS into a being who felt genuine remorse for what he had done and genuine sadness when he finally found a way to return them home.
Hartnell didn't follow any kind of formula that I'm aware of - he could be selfish enough to jeopardize the lives of everyone around him simply to satisfy his scientific curiousity (in the first appearance of the Daleks he intentionally sabotages the TARDIS to force Ian and Barbara to help him explore the Thal city to look for a replacement piece to his ship) and self sacrificing enough that when the time came, he forced himself to turn his back on his granddaughter for the sake of a demolished Earth's future (the source of the famous "One day, I shall come back..." speech). He possessed a sense of humour that made the young people around him look unhip and set in their ways ("Well, what do you think of that, young man, a Viking helmet, eh?" "Maybe". "What do you mean 'maybe'? What do you think it is - a helmet for a space cow?" or his insistence while being interrogated that he arrived on a hostile planet by way of a penny farthing bicycle) and a sort of poetic ingenuity when it came to defeating his opponents (the way he dealt with a fellow rogue Gallifreyan by simply reducing his TARDIS to the size of a small cupboard and leaving stranding him on Earth in the year 1066.
As for special effects/CGI/whatever - if William Hartnell/Patrick Troughton/Jon Pertwee/Tom Baker/etc is on your TV screen and you're staring at wobbly sets or flimsy props, you're not watching properly.
This may be my favourite post of the year so far. Hartnell really is wonderful, it's a shame he's so often overlooked. And going back to the title of this thread, The Chase, The Ark and The Gunfighters, three often much maligned Hartnell stories, are among my favourites of all of sixties Who. I think The Chase may be my favourite Dalek story of all time, in fact. It's insane, but it's great fun. |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 20, 2016 2:27:58 GMT -5
The grim outlook of classic Doctor Who is such a stark contrast to it's latest incarnation that it's almost as if they're not even of the same ilk. the Harnell and Troughton years are probably the series' golden era and it's a travesty that so many episodes of earlier Who are lost to time itself Well, that number is slowly creeping down, thankfully. The return of no less tban eleven previously lost episodes over the last few years has given us cause for renewed hope. It's just a shame The Web of Fear part three was apparently stolen before it could be returned from Africa. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 3:09:05 GMT -5
Strange but true - on all recent showings of the film (over here at least), "Taco Bell" is over-dubbed as "Pizza Hut" Hardly strange. I've never heard of Taco Bell. True, Taco Bell is virtually non-existent over here - but the film was originally shown on TV here unedited, and it's only recent(ish) showings that have the overdubbed version. It's also pretty unusual - I can't remember any other blockbuster movie where some unknown Americana has been poorly overdubbed into something Brits have heard of. |
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 20, 2016 3:11:42 GMT -5
I love Demolition Man! Utterly stupid film, but so much fun. It enhances my calm. |
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 20, 2016 4:34:34 GMT -5
Just found this: 20 things Marvel would like us to forget. All but number 4 are stuff we should officially hate. (4 has to be forgotten for licensing reasons). It is of course entirely opinion, but it shares my prejudices. I'm also reading the the Pierre Comtois books. I have the opposite reaction to his "Marvel Comics in the 19X0s": he presents all his opinions as unquestioned facts and it drives me crazy. No, Kirby was not a has-been by 1970. No, Trimpe was not mediocre. No, Perez was not a second rate artist. At least in my opinion: if you are going to present opinions as facts, then your opinions should at least agree with mine. |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 20, 2016 7:28:15 GMT -5
Jesus...that looks appallingly bad. I never saw Stallone's Judge Dredd because so many of my friends said it was godawful. Based on that clip, they were right. That really does look like a steaming pile of s***. |
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 20, 2016 7:40:19 GMT -5
Jesus...that looks appallingly bad. I never saw Stallone's Judge Dredd because so many of my friends said it was godawful. Based on that clip, they were right. That really does look like a steaming pile of s***. Variety is the spice of life.  Based on that clip alone I would love it. The fake theatricality of the court is exactly what you would expect if this was a foregone political conclusion, spoken in the knowledge that this would one day be seen on camera by the disinterested populace of Megacity one. Dredd's infantile naive outburst is exactly what you would expect from a genetically engineered person whose love of the law was so great that he could barely conceive of it being imperfect. It reminds me of many religious situations I have seen: the church performance is theatre, and to the true believer any problem is unthinkable and the cause of enormous cognitive dissonance. An outsider of course thinks it's crazy: no outsider would ever conduct a court like that, or react like that. It reminds me of people who have never been in a dictatorship, or in a controlling religion, or in an abusive family. A mentally healthy [discuss!] outsider sees it as ridiculous and absurd. And yet that is how it happens, and the politics and pain are real. Love that clip. |
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