Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Feb 20, 2016 8:03:25 GMT -5
Jesus...that looks appallingly bad. I never saw Stallone's Judge Dredd because so many of my friends said it was godawful. Based on that clip, they were right. That really does look like a steaming pile of s***. Variety is the spice of life.  Based on that clip alone I would love it. The fake theatricality of the court is exactly what you would expect if this was a foregone political conclusion, spoken in the knowledge that this would one day be seen on camera by the disinterested populace of Megacity one. Dredd's infantile naive outburst is exactly what you would expect from a genetically engineered person whose love of the law was so great that he could barely conceive of it being imperfect. It reminds me of many religious situations I have seen: the church performance is theatre, and to the true believer any problem is unthinkable and the cause of enormous cognitive dissonance. An outsider of course thinks it's crazy: no outsider would ever conduct a court like that, or react like that. It reminds me of people who have never been in a dictatorship, or in a controlling religion, or in an abusive family. A mentally healthy [discuss!] outsider sees it as ridiculous and absurd. And yet that is how it happens, and the politics and pain are real. Love that clip. While I completely agree with your description of life inside/outside of a controlling religion and, at a push, how the scene actually makes sense within the context of Dredd's world and present situation. All I'm really seeing there is some bad acting, corny scripting and cringe-worthy "dramatic" music. ...and where the hell is Dredd's helmet? Also, doesn't he have sex with Judge Hershey in that film? Yeah, this ain't my Judge Dredd. |
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 20, 2016 8:36:38 GMT -5
...and where the hell is Dredd's helmet? Also, doesn't he have sex with Judge Hershey in that film? Yeah, this ain't my Judge Dredd. I agree, Occam's razor does demand that bad acting is the simplest explanation. But I like the result. I think the bad acting is a result of their decision to throw a lot of ideas at the movie. It's the big ideas that I love: outer space, nuclear deserts, multi level cities, cloning, mental states... so much to stimulate the mind! So to me it's worth the effort of some mental gymnastics. Seeing how it could work is where the fun lies, to me. For the sake of full disclosure, my all time favourite movie is 1977's " Journey to the Centre of the Earth" (I think it was released in the USA as "Where Time Began"). That's another B-movie that is not so much hated as forgotten. But I have never seen so many amazing ideas packed into such a small space. For me it's a mind blowing drug and I love it. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 20, 2016 9:25:29 GMT -5
For the sake of full disclosure, my all time favourite movie is 1977's " Journey to the Centre of the Earth" (I think it was released in the USA as "Where Time Began"). That's another B-movie that is not so much hated as forgotten. But I have never seen so many amazing ideas packed into such a small space. For me it's a mind blowing drug and I love it. Never saw that one, but still a huge fan of the James Mason movie, probably my all time favorite childhood film. How does htat one compare? About Judge Dredd, the thing is that before anything it is political satire. John Wagner is an anarchist and his tone can often be quite serious, and thus to great effect (see his Judge Dredd : America storyline!). Even the fun and goofyness of the cursed earth saga was heavily balanced by deaths and failures. The Stallone movie really didn't seem to know what it was meant to be and solely went for whatever likeness they could afford. But for the life of me, I just can't remember anything about its story, not a good sign... I just remember Rob Shneider, sadly, and that Chris Cunningham (then known as Chris Halls) worked on the designs of the film before he went on to produce videos for Aphex Twin, Squarepusher and Autechre...  |
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 20, 2016 10:18:09 GMT -5
Jesus...that looks appallingly bad. I never saw Stallone's Judge Dredd because so many of my friends said it was godawful. Based on that clip, they were right. That really does look like a steaming pile of s***. Speaking as a former hardcore Dredd-Head, Stallone's Dredd isn't nearly as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. It's main problem was trying to incorporate so many stories from the comics into an hour and a half long movie. And given how many similarities they share, I'm completely convinced that Demolition Man was the original pitch |
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 20, 2016 10:43:12 GMT -5
For the sake of full disclosure, my all time favourite movie is 1977's " Journey to the Centre of the Earth" (I think it was released in the USA as "Where Time Began"). That's another B-movie that is not so much hated as forgotten. But I have never seen so many amazing ideas packed into such a small space. For me it's a mind blowing drug and I love it. Never saw that one, but still a huge fan of the James Mason movie, probably my all time favorite childhood film. How does htat one compare? Most people say the 1959 movie was much better. By most measures they're right. But I am still a child inside. I love how the 1977 movie threw so many ideas at the screen! Right from the opening frames showing George Mellies silent sci fi movies (that opened up a whole world on its own!) to the closing frames where the screen shrinks onto the mysterious visitor from another civilisation - sure, I was a child, but when I first saw it that sent shivers down my spine. In between they have the idea of a hidden world sinking slowly to the Earth's core, lost civilisations, giant apes, and of course the whole of Jules Verne's classic. And the richness of the Victorian world. And unlike the recent remake, they played it totally straight, That is what I love so much about Jules Verne's original. He really cared: he cared just as much about the geology of the rocks in the caves as about the monsters near the end. To Verne it had to be real. The crazier the concept the better, but it had to be real. Plus upbeat and optimistic. Which is why I love the FF so much: I'm not bothered about superheroes, but having powers lets them explore so many wonderful ideas. Incidentally, that's where I think my web site totally fails, and maybe one day I'll fix that: I don't capture the joy and excitement and wonder of feeling that "anything is possible". but that's how I feel inside. |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 20, 2016 10:45:20 GMT -5
Just found this: 20 things Marvel would like us to forget. All but number 4 are stuff we should officially hate. (4 has to be forgotten for licensing reasons). It is of course entirely opinion, but it shares my prejudices. There are only 14, what happened to the last six?  |
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Post by tolworthy on Feb 20, 2016 10:48:17 GMT -5
Just found this: 20 things Marvel would like us to forget. All but number 4 are stuff we should officially hate. (4 has to be forgotten for licensing reasons). It is of course entirely opinion, but it shares my prejudices. There are only 14, what happened to the last six? Whoops! I carried on reading to the 20 worst wrestlers article. My bad! |
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 20, 2016 13:31:27 GMT -5
Jesus...that looks appallingly bad. I never saw Stallone's Judge Dredd because so many of my friends said it was godawful. Based on that clip, they were right. That really does look like a steaming pile of s***. That clip represents the best and worst of the film You should probably watch the film. If you're a Dredd fan, you'll have to deal with the fact that they got Dredd wrong. And that his helmet spends most of the film not on. But they have a decent rendition of Mean Machine Angel and ABC Warrior. And I have come to really enjoy how Stallone delivers his dramatic lines about "The Law". These may be easier to appreciate after you've seen the film and had years to process it. |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 20, 2016 13:56:35 GMT -5
I agree, it's worth watching. Though that reminds me-I still don't understand why the Hammerstein robot has no hammer.
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Post by coke & comics on Feb 20, 2016 17:58:36 GMT -5
"Mega City Municiple Code, 213: Willful destruction of property, that's two years. Code 310: Illegal possession of assault weapons, five years. Code 457: Resisting arrest, TWENTY years!...And code 3613: The first degree murder of a Street Judge..."
"Let me guess, life."
"Death."
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 20, 2016 18:13:28 GMT -5
I have never read one Judge Dredd comic. I guess that's why I didn't hate the movie.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 20, 2016 18:21:08 GMT -5
I have never read one Judge Dredd comic. I guess that's why I didn't hate the movie. It's a post-apocalyptic satire on American culture and consumerism. It's not hard to get collected editions for cheap as the stories were originally printed in B&W. I read the 80's Eagle reprints (which were in color) in my teens, so I was perplexed to learn that the stories were initially visually told others  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 19:19:24 GMT -5
I have never read one Judge Dredd comic. I guess that's why I didn't hate the movie. I didn't hate it but it was a let down. So was the 2012 version. Why can't they get a Dredd or Punisher movie right? |
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 20, 2016 19:30:15 GMT -5
So was the 2012 version, why can't they get a Dredd or Punisher movie right? I had been waiting since 2009 for the Karl Urban Dredd movie to come out and I was not disappointed upon it's release. What I did have a problem with was the poor marketing and the newer fans that came in because of it. Not that I minded them, but they seemed to only like the comic because Dredd was a bad ass and nothing else. They did not care for the nuances of satire that painted a much larger picture of the problems we're facing in the world today. On top of that was IDW's half-baked attempt at Dredd, with Duane Swierczynski at the helm, that seemed to be just aping the tone of the movie and repeating storylines from 2000 AD, with the most notable being The Robot Wars The above and a number of other things, namely the creative stagnation of 2000 AD, led to me not being interested in the character as much as I initially was |
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Post by batlaw on Feb 20, 2016 19:35:25 GMT -5
Yeah it probably benefitted me I had no insight or exposure to dread beyond one or two of the batman crossover comics. I thought the movie at the time had a lot of cool and unique story ideas. And I thought it looked cool and was fun for its time. I also really liked the 2nd movie. But I can't say if either were a good or accurate portrayal of the character.
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