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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 3, 2016 11:48:41 GMT -5
Most of us have an understanding of comic books ranging from Little Nemo in Slumberland to Saga. Yet it seems many of us also complain about the current state of comic book storytelling and content. We've recently seen a trend within mainstream comics of going back to simpler and more joyfull comics (Batgirl, Ms Marvel, Squirel Girl...), but as healthy as this is, it might very well simply be a reaction...
So I ask you this : With all your knowledge and experience, with all you read and all you don't want to read once again, what would you expect to find in a comic book that could blow your mind on a regular basis?
I want a comic book that avoids "decompression", with distinctive and slightly stylized art, a plot generous in thrills and a story that reflects something I can relate to in the global world. Currently Lazarus is the top contender for me, closely followed with BPRD (I wasn't a fan of Guy Davis' style, but enjoyed his storytelling, recent Laurence Campbell has more than satisfied me!), Velvet also is mighty close, even if less relatable so far. And even though I'm not confident in it, I have small hopes that the current Dr Strange might surprise me when I start reading it...
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Post by shaxper on Mar 3, 2016 12:21:42 GMT -5
I want a book with a long term commitment from the creative team (at least three years on the book) and a minimum of editorial interference (including major events).
I want a book where growth and evolution are encouraged, and big shake-ups occur for the sake of the story and not just to sell an issue.
I want issues where there is no imposed conflict, where characters have an opportunity to be themselves, to interact, and to absorb all that has already occurred.
And I want characters that are basically, fundamentally GOOD people that I can root for.
I suspect that's a lot of the charm of Walking Dead.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 3, 2016 12:35:12 GMT -5
My criteria:
1) Good engaging story with characters who you care about 2) regular release schedule 3) consistent creative team 4) Able to blend light and serious moments.
So, pretty much Usagi. Astro City is a close 2nd. Honorable Mention to Saga and Five Ghosts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 13:29:55 GMT -5
Plenty of comics fit the bill for me, just none at Marvel or DC
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 3, 2016 13:47:20 GMT -5
Not sure what my perfect book for 2016 will be. There are various upcoming titles that I'm really interested in:
Coates on Black Panther, Lemire on Moon Knight
and on the Image front:
The Discipline and The Fix.
But who knows what else the year will bring.
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Post by coke & comics on Mar 3, 2016 14:08:17 GMT -5
I think new comics are the best comics. I'm really ecstatic for things coming out of Image and Dark Horse and a bunch of other publishers right now.
Lately I've grown very linear in my tastes. I do throw my hands up pretty easy when a comic I'm reading then ties into something else. Especially if it does it too frequently. This has stalled my reading of a lot of Marvel comics I was otherwise enjoying. I want to read Book 1 then Book 2 then Book 3...
Beyond that, I'm pretty open. I get excited by science fiction, particular if it's the type that extrapolates on its premise. I get excited by writers I've come to like. Lemire, Kindt, Hickman, etc have all earned me checking out their next work.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 3, 2016 14:30:46 GMT -5
Plenty of comics fit the bill for me, just none at Marvel or DC So what is your bill?
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Post by String on Mar 3, 2016 15:00:09 GMT -5
It's hard to say for me. I want a book with an engaging story featuring characters that I can grow to invest in and care about. I don't mind decompression storytelling as long as it's justified and not simply to pad the TPB page limits. The book needs to feature a stable creative team for at least two years or more. Editorial influence needs to be at a minimum and while I don't mind the occasional tie-in to an event, talented creators will turn such an occurrence to their advantage and their stories.
Genres are broad so to speak; sci-fi, super-hero, western, war, comedy, real life. Horror is hit-and-miss, for example I have zero interest in anything related to zombies while I'm just now getting into the expanded universe that is Hellboy (wow).
Daredevil by Waid and Samnee is a great example and a great book. In fact, Waid with Samnee, Riveria, Martin, they all crafted an engaging, thoughtful, fun, and yes, dark run for Matt Murdock. Waid turned his Original Sin tie-in issue into a very thoughtful issue dealing with Matt's mother and post-partum depression. THAT'S taking advantage of a tie-in.
Thor by Jason Aaron and Russell Dauterman is a more current example. Aaron has crafted a very worthy female Thor and even the fill-in artists that Aaron has worked with on past Thor volumes have been excellent. A great blend of myth, wit, and action.
Lazarus by Rucka and Lark is another contender. A fascinating book with a terrific lead character, a premise that should scare all of us, and amazing art. Their letters pages is one of the most informative and entertaining on the racks. Kudos also to Rucka's Black Magick with Nicola Scott. Still in it's beginnings, it features yet another compelling female lead (how does Rucka do it??) and the amount of forethought and backstory that Rucka has devised for this town and it's inhabitants is scary good. Scott's art is impressive as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 17:52:35 GMT -5
There are many books out there currently that are good (and a lot of them have been mentioned) but for me, I lean in a different direction-the books I would consider to be best taking advantage of the current zeitgeist/paradigm in comics are books that have been there awhile but have usually been on the forefront of what is new and exciting-and that is anthologies like Heavy Metal and Dark Horse Presents.
These are books that allow creators to tell stories they are excited about-whether it is a one off eight pager or a long form serialized story like Carla Speed McNeil continuing to tell her Finder story in the pages of DHP. They are books that give a lot of bang for your buck in terms of story and content pages, but if a story doesn't resonate with you, the entire purchase is not a waste of money because there is likely to be something else in the story that does.
I've described elsewhere how I think the big 2 should use this kind of format-it creates a meatier product that has a better entertainment/cost ratio than a monthly 20 content page comic. And if the selling point for the big 2 is shared sandbox universes, the bigger anthology format allows them to market that regularly without needing tentpole events and cross-overs to be able to do so.
Another move for modern comics I like was the deal Brubaker made with Image-a 5 year window to produce whatever books he wants and they will publish them. The deal emerged out of Fatale and Velvet and has produced more Criminal and The Fade Out (with the next book likely to be announced at the ImageExpo at Emerald City). This allows creators to tell the story they want to tell without the pressure of having to either bloat it to keep a series going or shrink it to fit into a set number of issues (usually 4 or 6) to be a mini-series.
I want stories that have a beginning, middle and end, that come to a satisfying conclusion, whether that takes 8 pages or 8 issues or 20 years of issues. I prefer stories have artistic continuity as well as authorial continuity, so I prefer to see formats and publication frequency that allows that. Whether it's parts of stories monthly in an anthology, a single OGN album each year, 10 mostly monthly issues in a year or what have you.
I like a lot of different genres, creators, characters or what not in comics, but what I am always looking for are good stories that appeal to me that are well told. My ideal comic is format, frequency, and creative/publication arrangements that allow that to happen. There is no 1 correct way for that to happen for all publishers or content creators. My ideal would be an industry and market that allows these stories to be produced and released in the manner that best allows them to be told well. But for me, the path I would like to see is that the parts of the stories that are released as serials be done so as parts of anthologies then the completed longer form stories collected and released as trades/hardcovers either as complete works or as regular released volumes for the really long form stories.
If Image say produced a monthly equivalent of say Weird Science that had a chapter of Saga, a chapter of Black Science, a couple of 8 page shorts, a chapter of Lazarus etc. one month and if Saga needed a month off for the end of an arc say, something else was put in the feature slot for that month, etc. then when the arcs are complete (or the full story complete) issue a volume of Lazarus, a volumes of Saga, etc. They could then also have something the equivalent of Weird Tales that maybe has a chapter of Five Ghosts, a chapter of Wytches, Outcast, shorts etc. that does the same thing, making each monthly anthology a genre collection or go the DHP route and just mix and match content.
Heavy Metal does 112 pages for $7.99 so even if Image used the $9.99 price point for 100-120 pages of content it would still be more entertainment value for your dollar than a monthly $3-4 comic and allow more eyes to get on stories that might otherwise get overlooked, plus still generate content for the trades which are the evergreen revenue producers for both the creators and the publishers. It allows stories/series that might need a little time to build an audience to be put out there without having the burden of carrying a series that sells enough right off the bat, allowing it to grow organically.
However, I realize these books are a hard sell in the current direct market, because that's a lot to do with the distributor dictating to creators and publishers what works for them and the cart being in front of the horse. It's also letting the shrinking niche market customer base dictate the format and content of the stories and retard the potential growth of the overall industry. The perfect book for 2016 is one that tells good stories and pushes the growth of the market outside the tiny cesspool of the direct market into a larger pool of potential readers and customers.
Comics are in a vicious circle right now-price, format and availability are the biggest obstacles to growth, but the small size of the niche market buyers keeps print runs smaller making prices higher-higher print runs would allow economy of scale to kick in and lower production costs and allow profitability at lower price points, lower prices would allow for better sales which would make it more attractive to other sales outlets increasing availability, but that would necessitate changes in format for the new market venues-but as long as the industry aims product squarely at the niche market, they create the very problems that keep them from growing and perpetuate the increases in price that plague the niche market. The more prices rise, the less units sell requiring higher prices fueling fewer sales and eventually that affects viability of product leading to fewer outlets and less availability. It's happened with almost every hobby product over the last 30 years and the cycle is in motion in comics. Trumpets sales growth in dollars in percentages less than the percentage increase of cover price only mask the issue of a shrinking customer base. So, the perfect book would be books that can break that vicious cycle while delivering strong story and art content.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:07:34 GMT -5
Plenty of comics fit the bill for me, just none at Marvel or DC So what is your bill? I guess just well written and illustrated, ongoing, no sister titles or shared universe nonsense. I also like when a bargain priced premium hardcover collects the series.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:19:15 GMT -5
For me right now that book is Archie.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 3, 2016 20:56:11 GMT -5
Something I haven't seen before.
What I want is creators who are more creative than I am.
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 4, 2016 0:37:28 GMT -5
My perfect book would have a winning lotto ticket in it, allowing me to buy many many books...
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Post by coke & comics on Mar 4, 2016 2:12:52 GMT -5
I want stories that have a beginning, middle and end, that come to a satisfying conclusion, whether that takes 8 pages or 8 issues or 20 years of issues. I prefer stories have artistic continuity as well as authorial continuity... These points definitely echo where I am right now. I have no interest in stories where the writer or artist change in the middle, unless that's built into the comic somehow and planned.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 4, 2016 2:46:30 GMT -5
Specifically in 2016? I want a hardcover GN, published in October, to mark the fortieth anniversary of the creation of Captain Britain, with two new stories; one, set in the early days of his career, by his creator Chris Claremont, the other set in the present day, by Alan Moore, and both illustrated by Alan Davis.
Well, a man can dream, right?
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