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Post by Warmonger on May 8, 2016 8:55:08 GMT -5
Saw it last night with my youngest son
The new gold standard when it comes to superhero movies IMO.
Terrific pacing, awesome action sequences (especially at the airport during the 2nd act), EVERY character gets at least a little bit of development time, etc.
Baron Zemo was pretty lame, but that's my only complaint.
Everyone should see this movie. Whether they're into comic books or not.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 8, 2016 10:09:30 GMT -5
The irony, hahaha I had a polar opposite experience Just saw it. Again highly disappointed : it's just fight scenes, punchlines and a plot sooo stupid it makes BVS look like a Bergman film. I mean seriously, Stark and co got bluffed by a wig, and that's what triggered it all?! He even got his Martha moment with the "He killed my mom"... I get this might work on 12 year olds, but seriously, if that is the golden standard of superhero movies, it's just as if we gave up on quality stories and acting in favor of production values and 80ies TV cartoons storytelling. Baron Zemo was the only character that tried to have a complex motivation and bring some gravitas I'll stick with the comics. Every one should see Dersu Uzala  Edit : Oh, The action scenes sure were well made, but they served no purpose ( I mean that epic one in the airport, that was just to prevent caps from taking an airplane! How lame and unrealistic was that?!) and were mostly gratuitous. I need far more than that in a movie. Otherwise, I can watch a boxing match or play a videogame... |
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Post by spoon on May 8, 2016 10:40:10 GMT -5
Really, really good film. Best Spider-Man on film, by a very large margin. Surprisingly large part for Black Panther. Film played out quite differently to how I was expecting, some clever misdirection in the trailers. Yes, there was a major moment that had a different cause than I expected based on the editing of the trailer (at least based on my expectations). It had a big impact. On the other hand, there was a trailer moment that I hadn't yet seen, so I realized it was coming. Also, there lots of chunks of the movie that weren't covered at all in the trailers, so that led to good surprises. |
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Post by tingramretro on May 8, 2016 11:36:31 GMT -5
The movie has nothing to do with the comic, really. Interesting, I got fooled by the members of the Comic Book Store that you need to read Marvel's Civil War before seeing this film and since you said it ... I was kind of surprised to read this and might well see the movie. The Movie Trailers at the theaters looking pretty cool. Thanks for letting me know ...  I suspect they were just trying to sell you stuff. |
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Post by Cei-U! on May 8, 2016 12:54:55 GMT -5
While I can't label it "the new gold standard" (The Incredibles is far and away the best super-hero movie), I enjoyed the hell out of this film. I think in this case my unfamiliarity with the source material (I've never read anything with Winter Soldier in it and you couldn't pay me to read Civil War) enhanced my experience. I had no preconceptions or expectations for CA:CW to live up (or down) to. I have to disagree with Arthur. I thought the plot made sense and I really liked the moral ambiguity of it all. Both sides were right, both sides were wrong, and the villain played them like a Stradivarius, using their human foibles and frailties to defeat foes he could never outmuscle. I admit to a bit of annoyance at the pointless namechecking with Zemo, who had absolutely none of the attributes or motivations of the original, but I forgave them once the sheer magnitude of his plan became clear. Great performances by Evans, Downey, Johannson, Olsen, Renner, and Stan, and solid supporting work by Rudd, Mackie, Cheadle (one of my favorite actors), and Bruhl. I liked the new Spidey and *really* like Boseman's Black Panther. Too bad Paul Bettany decided to sleepwalk his way through the part of the Vision. I was totally weirded out by Marisa Tomei as May Parker. That's just... wrong. Even if the movie had stunk in every other way, I have to confess that it was worth the price of admission to see Ant-Man turn into Giant-Man . Made the 10-year-old fanboy in me go "Squee!", it did. Cei-U! I summon the thumbs up! |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on May 8, 2016 12:57:02 GMT -5
It's a fun movie, but again, that's it. With this one I was expecting them to move a little beyond popcorn entertainment, but the focus shifted away from the moral conflict presented at the beginning almost immediately.
Not the movie's fault, but the people in my theater were cheering and applauding pretty much every time a new character appeared, and it got on my nerves because applause was almost never called for and it prevented me from hearing some of the dialogue. Peter Parker walking into his apartment is not a moment of cinematic brilliance that requires 30 people to clap and cheer at the top of their lungs. Save that for when he steals Cap's shield.
The action was fun and the one-liners were pretty good, not up to Avengers 1 or Iron Man 1, but still good. Spider-Man was especially fun.
It's a shame the big showdown is what closes the second act and the final fight is much smaller. And Zemo continues the trend of lame Marvel villains.
I'm being overly negative. It's a more polished film than BVS, and the characters are mostly well-written. I just don't think it breaks any new ground or accomplishes anything more than being fun.
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Post by DE Sinclair on May 9, 2016 13:11:22 GMT -5
I just saw it yesterday and enjoyed it a lot. The only thing that really annoyed me was the waste of Zemo. As has been noted, this character had zero to do with either of the comic characters and could have just as well have been named Jones. As a minor quibble, why was there a surveillance camera out in the middle of the woods along a nondescript road?
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Post by Rob Allen on May 9, 2016 14:09:27 GMT -5
it was worth the price of admission just to see [spoil] I forget how to do spoilers here[/spoil]. Try 'spoil er'. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 14:36:34 GMT -5
it was worth the price of admission just to see [spoil] I forget how to do spoilers here[/spoil]. Try 'spoil er'. it's [*spoiler*] what you want to hide [/*spoiler] minus the asterisks... so hit quote if you want to see correct code and copy/paste it -M |
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Post by Cei-U! on May 9, 2016 15:26:32 GMT -5
Thanks, fellas!
Cei-U!
I summon the backstop!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 0:44:37 GMT -5
I just saw it yesterday and enjoyed it a lot. The only thing that really annoyed me was the waste of Zemo. As has been noted, this character had zero to do with either of the comic characters and could have just as well have been named Jones. As a minor quibble, why was there a surveillance camera out in the middle of the woods along a nondescript road? I thought the film Zemo actually worked as a character - obviously nothing like the comics Zemo, but I don't think the bag-head scenery-chewing psycho with the convoluted back-story from the comics would translate well into a Marvel film. In fact, knowing that Zemo was one of the villains, I was pretty relieved to discover that they'd left the comics Zemo alone. The camera was a bit of a deus ex machina device, which I thought was pretty unlikely as well - in the time it was set, it was well before pervasive CCTV, but I suppose it could have been a Hydra plant to check on the actions of their operative to make sure he was following orders There were a couple of other clumsy plot holes - Zemo leaving evidence of his impersonation of Barnes lying around in the bath in some hotel just seemed ridiculously sloppy and remarkably convenient for the plot |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on May 10, 2016 5:01:12 GMT -5
So basically yes, that was entertainment, but just one kind of it. I dont know how they do it, but appart from the first 2 spider-man, first Iron Man and first Captain America movies, all the others have me leaving the theater quite frustrated if not more. When I go to the theater, I just want to see a good movie, not a good kid movie, a good superhero move, a god horror movie, I just leave all those "fan" expectations outside. And again, a movie like Civil War fails me : If someone who knows nothing about superhero comics asked me what good superhero movies he should see to win him over, do you really think that Civil War would sell the "concept" to him? I don't think so. Also, with the age of quality television serials, I like movies to remain movies, so that I have to different kinds of entertainment. But this last entry in the Marvel cinematic world never felt close to something which could stand on its own, maybe more like the season finale of the Shield TV show. That most of the characters appart from Zemo felt true to their funny pages counterparts is fairly accurate, but that doesn't prevent the plot from being really childish : the whole point of them being in Berlin, having this epic battle to prevent half of them from taking a plane, if that really is the pinnacle of subtlty, I give up ;-) But alright, to each their own. I'm not surprised many like it. It's probably a cool vignette for those who grew up with those characters, I can sympahtize with that. I just get quite scptical when reading people claim this is a mature/adult piece of cinema. Oh, and as I stated in another thread, I'm in full agreement with Kurt that Brad Bird's superhero epic is still the pinnacle of superhero movies, and just a very good movie, even if you're not after superheroes in your movies |
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Post by String on May 10, 2016 9:19:08 GMT -5
This movie is amazing to me for one simple reason: the rift that forms between Steve and Tony here felt real, natural, far better than any convoluted reason previously seen in the comics.
Moral debates on accountability and responsibility are fine, everyone had their position and reasons why. But with the reveal of Bucky's past action, things just got personal and that ramps the drama up past 11.
Yes, the airport fight scene was incredible, almost like a Stan Lee-crafted 'hero-vs-hero' battle come to life. For me though, the superior fight scene was at the end between the trio. That whole sequence felt like a gut-punch to watch and the associations these characters have amongst themselves that date back to WW II only heighten the madness of it. Steve trying to protect Bucky, Tony knows that Bucky was brainwashed but doesn't care, Tony's reason why that he told Steve was very telling. By making the matter personal, the drama and level of seeming betrayal was amplified tenfold.
Which made Zemo a terrific villain. His talk with T'Challa during that fight was damning, his motivations clear, his plan simple and well-thought out, his execution of it near-flawless. At the end, when he admonishes Martin Freeman's character over whether his plan truly failed, I got chills. I hope to see more of him in the future.
Excellent intros of Spider-Man and Black Panther, every character got a moment to shine, the culmination on ongoing plot threads that have run throughout this entire movie franchise and massive questions about what is to come next.
Yes, this was Marvel's finest movie to date, an instant classic for it's action and personal drama IMHO.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 10, 2016 22:16:00 GMT -5
Spoilers
I just saw the movie. I would give it a 5/10. I was yawning in a few places. It was ugly to see the Avengers torn apart and Tony looked like a pathetic wimp at the end. I just don't swallow Cap beating Iron man. Lang turning into Giant man was awesome and I was surprised to see Spider-man get so much screen time. Marisa Tomei was a babe but Aunt May ?
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Post by dupersuper on May 11, 2016 19:32:13 GMT -5
This enters my top 5 Marvel movies (Cap 1 - 3, Avengers 1 and Guardians of the Galaxy with Iron Man 1 getting honourable mention).
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