|
Post by sabongero on Mar 29, 2016 16:26:20 GMT -5
Hi everyone. Other than hearing about the titles, I am not familiar with Wildstorm's WildC.A.T.S. and Gen13 comic books. However, I have the opportunity to purchase all or most of the issues on all the volumes in each series that I wanted to inquire first here at CCF on those who were able to read some of the comic books in these series in the past, can you please share your opinions about each of the series and if you recall the volumes of that series that you have read. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:31:10 GMT -5
Wildcats Volume 2 was awesome. Joe Casey and Sean Phillips killed it on that run.
|
|
|
Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 29, 2016 17:19:54 GMT -5
I've only ever read W.i.l.d.Cats vol. 1, #1. It was clearly a case of form over substance. Lots of Jim Lee characters striking dramatic poses, and dialogs in bad need of an editor.
I hear the following volumes were much better.
|
|
shaxper
CCF Site Custodian
Posts: 22,874
|
Post by shaxper on Mar 29, 2016 18:08:31 GMT -5
The only thing from that era I've ever bothered with is Warren Ellis' run on Stormwatch.
|
|
|
Post by sabongero on Mar 29, 2016 18:27:01 GMT -5
The only thing from that era I've ever bothered with is Warren Ellis' run on Stormwatch. I only knew about Warren Ellis's Planetary and Authority on the Wildstorm Imprint. I think his work on Authority was followed by Millar, I wonder what that one was like after he took over for Ellis.
|
|
shaxper
CCF Site Custodian
Posts: 22,874
|
Post by shaxper on Mar 29, 2016 18:46:23 GMT -5
The only thing from that era I've ever bothered with is Warren Ellis' run on Stormwatch. I only knew about Warren Ellis's Planetary and Authority on the Wildstorm Imprint. I think his work on Authority was followed by Millar, I wonder what that one was like after he took over for Ellis. The Authority came out of his run on Stormwatch. Millar's run wasn't bad and introduced one character I enjoyed a lot. If I recall correctly (and it's been a while), he downshifted it a bit out of the cinematic action genre and into some more thought-provoking avenues, some of which worked, and some of which did not. I'm running on a fifteen year memory with this though, so I could be way off.
|
|
|
Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 30, 2016 4:09:02 GMT -5
The only thing from that era I've ever bothered with is Warren Ellis' run on Stormwatch. I only knew about Warren Ellis's Planetary and Authority on the Wildstorm Imprint. I think his work on Authority was followed by Millar, I wonder what that one was like after he took over for Ellis. For some reason, the first Wildstorm title I ever bought upon its release was Stormwatch #37. And I had never read an Ellis title before that, but the marketing around it got me and I'm glad it did. After that, I followed Ellis throughout his wildstorm runs, but I must confess my favorite Authority run is Mark Millar's, and by far! First of all, it had Frank Quitely on art, but he used several Ellis characters in clever ways, especially the doctor and Jenny Century, if memory serves right. Actually, scrap that : Millar's run is only my second fave there, as Brubaker IMHO instantly became a superstar on his Auhority run, one where he showcased an ability with high concepts only mached by Alan Moore (his idea about the 21th century Jenny, is so clever and effective that the whole run is worth getting only for that). About Wildcats, I second the above opinion that the first Casey run is worthy, as well as the second one, which is the whole of vol. 3. I've never read vol.4 though, don't even know what it is. Worth noting that Vol. 1 has a fairly decent Alan Moore run with Travis Charest's art's coming of age. Gen 13, is worth getting for the John Arcudi/Gary Frank run, but nothing else.
|
|
|
Post by Dizzy D on Mar 30, 2016 7:49:23 GMT -5
Wildcats volume 2 and 3.0 are among my favourite comics ever, so I'd recommend those. Volume 1 has some decent Alan Moore stories with Travis Charest on art and I love some of the James Robinson (back when Robinson was a good writer) backups that starred Savant (one of my favourite characters)
Technically, Wildcats vol 4. is a single issue (Grant Morrison writing, Jim Lee drawing) which never got an issue 2, because of ... reasons?
It's probably the Christos Gage run that came a few years later (which would make , which was pretty disappointing (pretty standard superhero stuff which felt a use step back from 3.0. Also it suffered from DC's dumb dumb dumb idea to make all Wildstorm titles post-apocalyptic. Which was a dumb idea.)
Gen13 is worth getting for Adam Warren's run.
|
|
|
Post by String on Mar 30, 2016 21:23:06 GMT -5
One of the better Wildstorm stories that I've ever read is the Captain Atom Armageddon miniseries, where Captain Atom becomes trapped in the Wildstorm Universe, searching for a way back home. The contrast between the DCU philosophy and Wildstorm philosophy was interesting and showcases all the various Wildstorm teams and characters rather well.
|
|
|
Post by Dizzy D on Mar 31, 2016 2:30:41 GMT -5
One of the better Wildstorm stories that I've ever read is the Captain Atom Armageddon miniseries, where Captain Atom becomes trapped in the Wildstorm Universe, searching for a way back home. The contrast between the DCU philosophy and Wildstorm philosophy was interesting and showcases all the various Wildstorm teams and characters rather well. No, it really doesn't. The Wildstorm characters were completely out of character, suddenly had powers they never had before and their philosophy wasn't one they ever had before.
|
|
|
Post by Icctrombone on Mar 31, 2016 4:57:12 GMT -5
While I agree that Wildcats V.1 was mostly crap, I will tell you that I re-read the Alan Moore issues every few years. Gen 13 had a light whimsical feel to the first 50 issues or so and was enjoyable. Very nice good girl artwork from Campbell, Gary Frank , Rios and Benes. Just a fun series.
|
|
|
Post by sabongero on Aug 30, 2017 13:33:57 GMT -5
While I agree that Wildcats V.1 was mostly crap, I will tell you that I re-read the Alan Moore issues every few years. Gen 13 had a light whimsical feel to the first 50 issues or so and was enjoyable. Very nice good girl artwork from Campbell, Gary Frank , Rios and Benes. Just a fun series. I saw an Alan Moore WildC.A.T.S. graphic novel/trade paperback collection in Barnes and Noble recently. It must have been a collection from his run that you mention in WildC.A.T.S. volume one. Would you recommend it? By that are the stories entertaining, where the characters are not just flat characters of good guys vs bad guys and "let's fight it out" plotline? I suppose the mood would be darker than usual right?
|
|
|
Post by codystarbuck on Aug 30, 2017 13:51:19 GMT -5
While I agree that Wildcats V.1 was mostly crap, I will tell you that I re-read the Alan Moore issues every few years. Gen 13 had a light whimsical feel to the first 50 issues or so and was enjoyable. Very nice good girl artwork from Campbell, Gary Frank , Rios and Benes. Just a fun series. I saw an Alan Moore WildC.A.T.S. graphic novel/trade paperback collection in Barnes and Noble recently. It must have been a collection from his run that you mention in WildC.A.T.S. volume one. Would you recommend it? By that are the stories entertaining, where the characters are not just flat characters of good guys vs bad guys and "let's fight it out" plotline? I suppose the mood would be darker than usual right? I haven't read it; but, you are usually on solid ground with Alan Moore. The man actually made a Rob Liefeld comic worth reading (helped by the fact that Liefeld wasn't doing the art), in Supreme. Moore got to play with things without restraint and actually uses the opportunity to do more old-fashioned comic stories, with a more modern take, in his Image work. I only read the first couple of issues of WildCATS and hated it. That was pretty much my reaction to all of the initial Image offerings, from the founders. They were derivative of what they had been doing at Marvel, minus the coherent writing (well, except McFarlane, who didn't even have that on Spider-Man, when he was "writing."). The only books I stuck with were things like The Maxx and Shaman's Tears, which had real writing and something different. I can't speak to the later volumes of WildCATS, as the early stuff was enough to make me avoid the title. Never picked up Gen 13, as it looked like any one of the thousand X-Men rip-offs. Stormatch, under Ellis, was a breath of fresh air, marred by the typical (for the time) Image art. Ellis immediately started doing more mature things with the book; but, the art wasn't always up to the level of writing. That slowly began to change as he pushed more and more into more mature themes and more unique approaches to superheroes. The constant costume changes didn't help, though most started with some really awful designs, with some improvement by the end.
|
|
|
Post by sabongero on Aug 30, 2017 13:54:54 GMT -5
I saw an Alan Moore WildC.A.T.S. graphic novel/trade paperback collection in Barnes and Noble recently. It must have been a collection from his run that you mention in WildC.A.T.S. volume one. Would you recommend it? By that are the stories entertaining, where the characters are not just flat characters of good guys vs bad guys and "let's fight it out" plotline? I suppose the mood would be darker than usual right? I haven't read it; but, you are usually on solid ground with Alan Moore. The man actually made a Rob Liefeld comic worth reading (helped by the fact that Liefeld wasn't doing the art), in Supreme. Moore got to play with things without restraint and actually uses the opportunity to do more old-fashioned comic stories, with a more modern take, in his Image work. I only read the first couple of issues of WildCATS and hated it. That was pretty much my reaction to all of the initial Image offerings, from the founders. They were derivative of what they had been doing at Marvel, minus the coherent writing (well, except McFarlane, who didn't even have that on Spider-Man, when he was "writing."). The only books I stuck with were things like The Maxx and Shaman's Tears, which had real writing and something different. I can't speak to the later volumes of WildCATS, as the early stuff was enough to make me avoid the title. Never picked up Gen 13, as it looked like any one of the thousand X-Men rip-offs. Stormatch, under Ellis, was a breath of fresh air, marred by the typical (for the time) Image art. Ellis immediately started doing more mature things with the book; but, the art wasn't always up to the level of writing. That slowly began to change as he pushed more and more into more mature themes and more unique approaches to superheroes. The constant costume changes didn't help, though most started with some really awful designs, with some improvement by the end. Thanks for the informative post.
|
|
|
Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 30, 2017 14:35:06 GMT -5
I only knew about Warren Ellis's Planetary and Authority on the Wildstorm Imprint. I think his work on Authority was followed by Millar, I wonder what that one was like after he took over for Ellis. The Authority came out of his run on Stormwatch. Millar's run wasn't bad and introduced one character I enjoyed a lot. If I recall correctly (and it's been a while), he downshifted it a bit out of the cinematic action genre and into some more thought-provoking avenues, some of which worked, and some of which did not. I'm running on a fifteen year memory with this though, so I could be way off. Huh. I remember Millar's run being pretty bad and then it stopped in the middle for, like, half a year so another creative team could do a completely different story where everyone was out of character and then Millar came back and ignored all the plot points from what the other people were doing and it was just a huge freaking mess. That... might not have been the Authority, actually. I thought Ed Brubaker of all people - who's stuff I generally never quite connect with, or understand why other people like so much* - had a decent run on the Authority at some point. * Excluding about half of Criminal, and that one Daredevil arc with Daredevil, the Kingpin and Punisher all in jail. I've read a fair amount of Gen 13 and don't remember much about it. One issue had the characters from Archie and Beanworld (my favorite comic ever!) and others in it, which was kind of cute. There was a spin off series with some big name creators. WildCats I read the Alan Moore run and ... eh.. .it was okay. The Voodoo miniseries that spun out of it, though, was the worst thing Moore has ever done, just spectacularly terrible.
|
|