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Post by tolworthy on May 8, 2016 14:15:11 GMT -5
Apologies to The Captain for homaging your title. I just received my first batch of Captain Victory comics, so I plan to review them here. From my initial quick read I probably won't get past issue 1. Because there is just so much in them! Issue 1, the cover
There is so much to say about that cover that I'll have to split this first review into three parts: 1. general observations that also apply to the whole comic (and probably all Kirby comics) 2. the art 3. everything else (text, etc) I wrestled with the idea of whether to include scans, but I would have to include close up scans of every detail on every page. Kirby spent his whole life having his art ripped off without payment, and the page 2 indicia says not to do it. The originals can be obtained cheaply, and each is a timeless classic, so I don't have any excuse. Part 1: general observationsThe two comicsThe first thing that jumps out is the golden rule of reading Kirby comics: each comic is TWO comics, not one. The FAST comic and the SLOW comic. The fast comic is the one on the surface: it hits you in the face and knocks you into the next page! Everything moves fast! You barely need to even read the words: Kirby is the expert at telling a fast moving story with pictures alone. This first comic really does not need commentary. So this commentary will cover the second comic. The second comic is the slow one: where you analyse each panel as if you are there: although the story can be read in five minutes, it actually covers the events of hours, if not days. Each frame is worth a thousand words, enough to feel like you are right there, seeing what they see, feeling what they feel. In this case, the cover shows a hero with big guns in the middle of a deadly battle full of lasers and explosions. That's the FAST comic. But there is so much detail to unpack in that image. When I see people discuss Captain Victory art they usually just focus on "stubby fingers" or "odd proportions" so it is clear that people are not looking at the other details. So forgive me if I state the obvious. The five dimensionsI think these stories are five dimensional, and the cover illustrates this. 1st dimension: guy with big guns. presumably good guy versus bad guy. 2nd dimension: look at his face: he is not happy. The eyes say he does not want to be there. Yet it is not scared: he is doing what he feels must be done, yet has reservations. (This is expanded later in the story). Note how everyone else is firing using vehicles, which offer some protection. But C.V. has hand-held guns: he is putting himself in needless danger. He has his back to his enemy, and has placed himself in full view, as if he wants to die. These multiple dimensions are symbolised by Kirby's art style. Not every inker gets it. Those lines on his legs are not just abstract attempts to represent muscle (though they also serve that purpose). They indicate light coming from multiple sources. Thankfully, Royer and Oliff (inker and colorist) get this, and we can see the grading of light. This is one of my beefs with modern comic coloring where they use plastic-y coloring and try to copy photos. It adds nothing to the image, but instead removes our ability to imagine nuanced depth to the story. The simpler coloring and inking here add significance to the colors and lines: they represent light from behind, and multiple reflections from within. All of this tell you more about the scene. 3rd dimension: the technology is advanced, indicating an entire civilisation with a past. But it's not so advanced that we have progressed beyond people with guns, so this is the not too distant future. Look at his face: he looks like Orion (later we will learn that Orion is his father). He also looks like an Eternal: later we will see more and more clues that the Kree, Eternals, and Galactic Rangers are more connected than we might think. BTW, I just finished the first draft of a page on how the entire Kirbyverse is a single story, in case this is a new idea to anyone. The point is that this guy has a complex and far reaching past, and is part of a huge fully fleshed out network. 4th dimension: the passage of time. Everything is moving. Even his stance is one you cannot maintain for long. Nothing stand still, it all pulls you into the next page, and the next. And the implied history (the third dimension) suggests that this time will involve constant change. 5th dimension: scale. I don't mean physical scale (that's in the third dimension) I mean the scale of vast ideas. this is where I think Kirby stands alone. Let's compare Kirby's implied story with stories by run of the mill Marvel writers at one extreme, and Alan Moore at the other. I will try to show why I think Kirby is above them all. When a mediocre writer does scale it is an illusion: their gigantic galactic empires act more or less like humans, really. And in the Marvel Universe Earth is super important. Other planets tend to be monocultures, far less complicated than Earth, and at roughly the same level of progression. There is really no scale to speak of. And at a smaller scale, nothing stands analysis. You cannot drill down and examine the details without the whole house of cards falling apart. But Kirby's universe is genuinely big. Earth is a mere speck. His aliens are not just humans with blue skin, but networks we can barely conceive of, ancient gods, living planets, hive minds, life that lives on through clone when the body dies, subatomic life, and above all constant change, constant growth. Change and growth are the essence of the universe., which brings me to my final point. A few writers, like Alan Moore, are not hacks. They create complex worlds. But their ideas are not bigger: their worlds are big but messy, contradictory, sometimes nihilistic. For them "having the answers" is anathema. If they offer grand theories it is only in an ironic way, or to knock them down later. But Kirby does not have that luxury. He grew up as a little guy who had to fight bullies, Nazis, the corporate world, everyone. He understood the need for principles that you fight for, and he understood how those principles can go wrong, and the absolute need to guard for that. Captain Victory explores these ultimate themes. Kirby understands the real world ideas that surround and control the universe: ideals like life beyond death (a theme of Captain Victory), empathy for the enemy, when to act and not act, the need for law, the need to learn what's out there, and above all the need to put others first. Kirby sees the biggest scale that others are unable or unwilling to see. He actually has a message. At the largest scale, Kirby actually has a story, when so many other writers have nothing but elaborate smoke and mirrors. In my view. All of this is foreshadowed on that cover: The disregard for death. The absolute existence of good and evil. The awareness that good can so easily become evil. I'll discuss that more in the next post, about the rest of the art on that cover. We are one third of the way through reviewing the cover of issue 1. Next: the cover art!
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Post by tolworthy on May 8, 2016 23:41:29 GMT -5
I love Kirby's solo work!
Cover, part 2: the art
Five things I love about the cover art:
Those guns The ridiculously big guns tell a story in themselves. They are absurdly oversized, yet almost useless: the pilots in the background have a better chance. This is probably going to be a commentary on the wisdom of shooting everything as a solution to ur problems. Much as when Kirby wrote Fighting American as a satire on McCarthysim.
And I love how Kirby's guns are based in reality. Unlike other sci-fi, his tech looks like real human equipment, but on steroids. I recognise those kind of shapes and circuits from when I have took things apart as a child. This story is grounded in reality.
The fingers This is the story of a man with strong, hands, probably wearing thick protective gloves. Kirby is quite able to show slender fingers when he wants (see the women later in the story). He is telling us what kind of man this is: a man of action and strength!
I so admire the efficiency of his art: not a single line is wasted. A less confident artist would try to be more "realistic" but end up communicating less. Modern comics often use photo reference, and their heroes look the guy or girl next door. But Kirby's heroes are like gods.
The stars The stars and planets frame the action. They tell a story on their own: unlike other artists, who draw stars as dots and use them as wallpaper, Kirby always draws stars as circles of different colours, giving each one an identity. In Kirby's universe these are actual stars and planets, and each has a different identity. His universe feels rich and enormous.
The composition The hero' face is center, heightened by the strong perspective lines that make the image leap off the page. The left shows the darkness before the action, the right side shows him blasting upward, many times at once, literally shooting for the stars. The explosion by his head is not just a sign of great danger, but could be a metaphor for the mental conflict I mentioned last post. So much to see!
The costume Notice anything unusual about this costume, especially the head? (Apart from the family resemblance to his father, Orion, noted before?) He is wearing no headgear. Kirby is famous for headgear, for both protection and status. Orion, Captain America, Fighting American, Thor, they all had it. But not Captaion Victory. This speaks volumes. He is called "Captain Victory" yet he does not want status. He does not want protection. This adds to the message of inner conflict.
Next: the cover text
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Post by tolworthy on May 9, 2016 0:01:34 GMT -5
Cover, part 3: the text
With Kirby, every word is powerful. And based in reality! Kirby does not deal in hyperbole! "NEW - EXCITING - ORIGINAL!"NEW: these are not the same old recycled Kirby heroes: Thor, the Hulk, Fantastic Four, etc. that are milked endlessly. These are NEW Kirby heroes! EXCITING: they might actually die! And STAY dead! So, unlike with ordinary comics, there is real danger! ORIGINAL: this is bigger than other stories. Sure, the writers have had galactic battles, but for Kirby this is new. (Not even Darkseid was galactic in scale). And unlike other writers, Kirby is realistic - more on that on later posts! "In defense of our galaxy"This is the big one! For the first time, we have a realistic galactic story (as I will argue later). If we accept my argument that Kirby's stories are all connected and all move forward in time, then this is the story that all other Kirby stories were leading up to. "Captain Victory"What began with Captain America ends with Captain Victory. For the first time this is an actual captain, and not an honorary one or in name only. (Hence the military stars under the title.) This is a major departure from Kirby's previous "lone hero" approach. Finally humanity will be united and organised under galactic law. This is big (again)! Also, note that the captain is never named. This foreshadows a major theme of the story: he is the ultimate hero (and I use the world literally, as the final state of what is a hero), who always puts society before himself. This seems to be the final stage of Kirby's evolution of heroes. We are now in the realm of final victory. "And the Galactic Rangers"This is about he group, not individuals. They range across the whole galaxy. Did I mention that this is big? "Forces from the star worlds clash on Earth"What are the star worlds? better read and find out! But given the relative size of stars and Earth, this is going to be big. Other stuff on the coverGiven the importance of this, having the price at "one dollar" seems very appropriate. Simple, minimalist, number one. "Collector's edition"
This not hyperbole. Next: the splash page, and the real reason this story matters!
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Post by shaxper on May 9, 2016 5:36:29 GMT -5
It is really exciting to see you step outside of the Fantastic Four, tolworthy. I've never even heard of this series, but I am intrigued. Only you could make me stop and seriously reflect on the lines drawn on a character's legs. This guy is Orion's son? I want to hear more about this.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 9, 2016 6:27:21 GMT -5
I have the entire series and I plan to follow along.
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Post by coinilius on May 9, 2016 7:18:48 GMT -5
I first heard of this series back in 2000 I think when Jack Kirby Comics were re-releasing a version of it - it was in a Comicscene article and it seemed fascinating in that way that a lot of later Kirby works do - have never actually read the series though, so it will be interesting to follow along! Although I don't always agree with your interpretations, I love your Fantastic Four as Great American Novel website - it's always fascinating to see you unpack these stories.
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Post by tolworthy on May 9, 2016 9:32:17 GMT -5
This guy is Orion's son? I want to hear more about this. It's in issues 11-13. Plus other hints throughout the series: I plan to discuss one of them when we get to what look like fire pits on page 3 of issue 1. Of course, for copyright reasons Kirby can't say it explicitly, but there are so many clues and parallels that it can't be coincidence. It is really exciting to see you step outside of the Fantastic Four, tolworthy Confession time. I am not THAT open minded. My excitement about Captain Victory arose in four stages. (I number things because I tend to be verbose - if you're busy just scan each headline Discovery 1: Jack's work reflects his interests.I have a friend who keeps asking me "what did Kirby intend? What was Kirby planning?" As if Kirby had the entire Marvel Universe planned out in 1961. That drove me crazy! I don't think that's how Kirby worked at all. But now, as I read Kirby interviews, I think there may be something to the question. Kirby's stories all came from his real life interests. Not the stories' surface features, obviously. But the big ideas reflect what Kirby was thinking about at the time. And that gives them the stories natural structure over the course of his life. It is clear from Kirby's interviews, and his life choices, that he wanted to be free. He only wanted to create stories he was interested in. Of course he had to compromise to pay the bills, but he would not compromise for long before he left. He left his first comics job because it was becoming like a factory, and he did not want to work in a factory. Stan Lee says Kirby was offered the art director job at Marvel but turned it down. I don't know how much we can rely on Stan's memory (what constitutes an "offer"?) but it fits Jack's dislike of being just a cog in a machine. So, I think Jack Kirby wrote what Jack Kirby wanted to write. Even when that meant turning down money. Discovery 2: Jack's life's work has a shape and directionIf Jack's work reflected his interests then maybe it developed as his interests developed. And that is what we see. He started out as a fighter, and those are his early comics: about being young, alone, and at war. He was always asking questions, so this led to a middle period where his work ranged over every topic. This naturally led to an interest in the biggest questions of all, especially "what's out there?" and that is his late work: from cosmic Marvel to his solo work. So I think it's true that Jack's major work - the stuff where you can see the passion on each page - forms a single story. It's the story of the things that Jack was interested in at the time. But how far unified is that story? How far can we push this idea? Discovery 3: Jack's major stories follow on from each otherIn interviews, and just looking at the comics, its clear that Kirby had favourite titles. As a Fantastic Four fan I am embarrassed to admit that Kirby preferred Captain America and Thor. Those mattered a lot to to him, they were on his mind. He also liked the FF of course, but there are a lot of other titles (Strange Tales etc) that were just paying the bills. So I'm going to focus on his solo work plus the titles that show the most Kirby love. And that's when the big discovery came. Remember my friend who thinks Kirby planned everything? He asked me what I thought of Attilan. So I googled it, and was amazed to see that the island of Attilan appears in Captain America issue 1, from 1941! It's unmistakably the same concept: the island of the gods, the ancient place where advanced people lived. This is a theme throughout Kirby's work: ancient gods and human origins. That idea peaked in the late 1960s to mid 1970s: Inhumans, Eternals etc. But it was always there. So it seemed to me that Celestials and Eternals is basically Kree and Inhumans. And Skrulls are Insektors. I don't think the surface details or names matter. For one thing, any advanced beings will appear confusing to us: it's the blind man and the elephant principle. But Kree and Celestials, in Jack's early versions, were both vastly above our insignificant planet, and monitored us occasionally. It's only later writers who made them mundane and more human-like. And I am not suggesting that Kirby planned this beforehand: my friend is still wrong. But these stories follow Kirby's lifelong interests, so there is a natural underlying unity. The second discovery was when my friend asked about Captain Victory. Like most people, I vaguely recalled the title as unimportant: "the old man in decline" - stale ideas, poor art, it's best that we don't mention it. But my friend is such a Kirby fanboy that I Googled it, and was surprised to see the Orion link. Of course I already knew that New Gods followed from Thor, but now I had solid connections from the very first major work to the very last: Attilan (the island of the gods) links Captain America and Marvel - it's not just an old superhero brought back, it's about men as gods. Thor links to New Gods. New Gods links to Captain Victory. It's the same story from 1941 to 1984. Or rather, to 1976: Captain Victory was plotted in 1976, as a screenplay with Steve Sherman. This was not "old man Kirby". This was Kirby at his height, still in his late 50s, completing his magnum opus. Then, in his 60s, dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s. Discovery 4: the holy grailAnd this is where it starts to get very exciting for me! Like any sane person, I wish Kirby had never left the Fantastic Four. But also like any sane person I can see a drop off in creativity from the late issue 60s, and being realistic I know that those stories were a product of their time Even if they were not, they were a result of constant change and growth. By its nature, any stage of growth is temporary. You can't just keep rediscovering Galactus, though goodness knows Marvel has tried!! So there is an essential sadness in these comics. A broken promise. Look to the future, and then the future fails. it is the sadness of childhood that can never be regained. instead we get bills and jobs we hate and failed relationships. (Or maybe that's just me ) it's all very sad. But the holy grail is the vision that somewhere out there the Fantastic Four carried on, to ever greater things. Oh what I would give for that! Well... if the FF is merely a stage in the great Kirby story, then maybe it did continue. That got me thinking about the New Gods again. I could never finish New Gods. It was hard work. I wanted it to be easy to read, like the Lee-Kirby Fantastic Four, and it wasn't. And yet at the same time I could see it was packed with the same cosmic Kirby richness and drama. I knew the greatness was there, I just couldn't relate to it. It was too much like hard work. but now I have a way in. Maybe it's a continuation of the Fantastic Four? hear me out! Maybe Kirby's Fantastic Four never endedI mentioned how the FF takes a slight quality dip after the late issue 60s. When you look closer there is a clear reason for this, and it's not that Kirby burned out. Kirby was already frustrated that Stan Lee kept watering down his scripts (as he saw it) and FF 67 ("Him") was the last straw. Kirby wrote a story where scientists, GOOD GUYS, created the ultimate human. And that ultimate human judged us, and we were found wanting. Deep stuff. But Stan felt that was too hard for kids to grasp, so his dialog changed the scientists into stereotyped bad guys. It destroyed Kirby's whole plan. Form that point Kirby started to hod back his new ideas, and they eventually saw light as the New Gods for DC. Now this makes the FF take on an entirely new light. Think of the "real" FF as just issues 1 to 67, or rather 1 to 71, since Kirby was freelance and would not see Stan's finished version until it was published a few months later. What do we see? Constant, rapid change. And by the end they have done what they intend to do: Reed has built his ultimate technology, the interdimensional portal (that we know as the negative zone portal). He and Sue are married and expecting a baby, sop Sue finally has what she wants. Ben has finally grown a backbone and left the team. Johnny has found his true love. The final issue (71) is called "and so it ends": and Reed and Sue, dressed in civilian clothes, leave on a train for a new life. If the Fantastic Four means anything, it means constantly moving forward, and so the story has to end here, with issue 71. Of course, Kirby had to make a living so he treads water with recycles stories and copies of movies and TV shows, but the FF really ends with issue 71. What would happen next? Well Johnny and Crystal are not like the others: they actually LIKE being superheroes. Bt they are still discovering what is possible. I have not read the Fourth World stuff in detail, but I will lay money down that Johnny and Crystal would fit perfectly among the young gods of supertown. With different names and maybe different powers of course - in a story of constant change those things are secondary. As for Reed, there's a character in Captain Victory who could very well be what he would become in couple of generations. I am just being tentative here: I would need to trace him via some Fourth World character. But Kirby deals with definite character types, and they do not end when he changes employer: they just change names and continue to grow and change. I find this such an exciting concept: the glory days of the Fantastic Four never ended, they just kept moving forwards and left me behind. But I want to catch up. As for the problem of New Gods being hard work, I think I was just reading it too quickly. I maintain that each Kirby comic is TWO comics. One that can be read very quickly - all explosions and battles. And one that can provide a full month's enjoyment as we consider each frame as an extended scene. Now maybe I will be proven wrong. Maybe I will change my mind. But right now it looks like I have enough Fantastic Four to keep me busy forever, and I could not be happier. tl;dr not the Fantastic Four? Au contraire! This is the mother lode!
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Post by shaxper on May 9, 2016 9:41:48 GMT -5
Maybe Kirby's Fantastic Four never endedI mentioned how the FF takes a slight quality dip after the late issue 60s. When you look closer there is a clear reason for this, and it's not that Kirby burned out. Kirby was already frustrated that Stan Lee kept watering down his scripts (as he saw it) and FF 67 ("Him") was the last straw. Kirby wrote a story where scientists, GOOD GUYS, created the ultimate human. And that ultimate human judged us, and we were found wanting. Deep stuff. But Stan felt that was too hard for kids to grasp, so his dialog changed the scientists into stereotyped bad guys. It destroyed Kirby's whole plan. Form that point Kirby started to hod back his new ideas, and they eventually saw light as the New Gods for DC. Now this makes the FF take on an entirely new light. Think of the "real" FF as just issues 1 to 67, or rather 1 to 71, since Kirby was freelance and would not see Stan's finished version until it was published a few months later. What do we see? Constant, rapid change. And by the end they have done what they intend to do: Reed has built his ultimate technology, the interdimensional portal (that we know as the negative zone portal). He and Sue are married and expecting a baby, sop Sue finally has what she wants. Ben has finally grown a backbone and left the team. Johnny has found his true love. The final issue (71) is called "and so it ends": and Reed and Sue, dressed in civilian clothes, leave on a train for a new life. If the Fantastic Four means anything, it means constantly moving forward, and so the story has to end here, with issue 71. Of course, Kirby had to make a living so he treads water with recycles stories and copies of movies and TV shows, but the FF really ends with issue 71. What would happen next? Well Johnny and Crystal are not like the others: they actually LIKE being superheroes. Bt they are still discovering what is possible. I have not read the Fourth World stuff in detail, but I will lay money down that Johnny and Crystal would fit perfectly among the young gods of supertown. With different names and maybe different powers of course - in a story of constant change those things are secondary. As for Reed, there's a character in Captain Victory who could very well be what he would become in couple of generations. I am just being tentative here: I would need to trace him via some Fourth World character. But Kirby deals with definite character types, and they do not end when he changes employer: they just change names and continue to grow and change. I find this such an exciting concept: the glory days of the Fantastic Four never ended, they just kept moving forwards and left me behind. But I want to catch up. As for the problem of New Gods being hard work, I think I was just reading it too quickly. I maintain that each Kirby comic is TWO comics. One that can be read very quickly - all explosions and battles. And one that can provide a full month's enjoyment as we consider each frame as an extended scene. Now maybe I will be proven wrong. Maybe I will change my mind. But right now it looks like I have enough Fantastic Four to keep me busy forever, and I could not be happier. tl;dr not the Fantastic Four? Au contraire! This is the mother lode! Ahha. I see where this is going. Time to argue not just that The Fantastic Four is the Great American Novel, but now also that said novel spirals through all of Kirby's post-Marvel work. That will be the review thread to last a lifetime, and I'll be there for all of it
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Post by tolworthy on May 9, 2016 11:54:49 GMT -5
Finally,.. the splash page!"This is how it will happen when the star worlds come to Earth!!! Don't look for gods or Gurus or benevolent gift givers..."This is why Captain Victory matters. Steve Sherman (who helped on the original screenplay) says it was written as a direct response to Arthur C Clarke's "Rendezvous with Rama." Clarke was the dominant science fiction writer of his age, and was seen as an expert on science in general, having correctly predicted geostationary satellites IIRC. He was used as a media figure, host for the TV series "Mysterious Worlds", and of course wrote 2001, which became the seminal sci fi movie. All of Clarke's most famous works deal with meeting aliens for the first time: 2001, Rendezvous With Rama, Childhood's End etc. Clarke's message is that aliens are more advanced and therefore benevolent! But Kirby is saying that is a terrible error. That is not how the universe works. Are we benevolent to insects? Do we care what bacteria want? Is factory farming ever a political issue? Assuming that higher beings are benevolent represents a frightening naivety about the universe, and Captain Victory is the response. Kirby knows what it is like to be small. He was the short Jewish kid on the toughest of tough neighbourhoods. He was on the front line against the Nazis. He had to deal with corporations but lacked a silver tongue and was consequently ripped off time and again. He knows that when a greater power meets a lesser power the lesser power is crushed: that's just how power works. The other major theme in sci fi is that even though aliens may be bad, we can beat them! This is the Marvel COmics view: Earth is so special! We can end the Kree Skrull war! Almost all science fiction takes one or the other view: either aliens are friendly, or we can beat them. Because otherwise we are doomed. But Kirby deals with the real world. No, they are not friendly. No, we cannot beat them, So what are we going to do about it? Denial is not an option. Reality is reality, and we either find a way round it or we cease to exist. Captain Victory suggests a solution: find out as much as you can about the unknown, and find a way that your existence benefits the gods more than your destruction. More on this in later reviews. The point is that this comic is about reality. It is not escapism, it is the opposite. Kirby is dealing with the real world and has a real message, one we seem keen to avoid. But if we avoid it then it's goodbye human race. This question might not seem urgent. After all, how likely is it that we get visited by space gods any time soon? Well, simply asking that question reveals dangerous complacency. Are we so clever and important that we could notice aliens? Are aliens so clumsy, or so like us? Captain Victory indicates that aliens they could already be here. The comic XKCD gives a good analogy: I want to drive home the point that this comic is about reality. Captain Victory uses the metaphor of humanoids and space ships, but later (in the person of Mister Mind) we have an indication of what real aliens look like. The implication is that real aliens are already here, now, in 2016. The human race might be within a generation of effective extinction, or actively accelerating it. The evidence is in front of our faces: and I don't mean any Eric Von Daniken nonsense. But we choose not to see it, in exactly the same way that we choose to believe that aliens will either be benevolent or beatable. We can't handle the truth. Remind me to discuss real world aliens in more detail when we meet Mr Mind. "If our vast universe spawns an infinite variety of planets... [etc]"The story is about the real universe. It is based on logic. This is how it starts, and what we have to remember throughout. I cannot emphasise this strongly enough. Kirby intends this comic to be about the real universe, the real world. He often headlines his solo stories with "the world that's coming" or "this could be you" etc. Kirby talks about the real world, using metaphors because the topics are so big. Like all the best story tellers, Kirby aims at children. Because children still have open minds. "star worlds"This is the second time we've seen that phrase: it must be important. It seems like a nod to "Star Wars". But the difference is crucial. CV is not about war, but about people. The initial conflict in CV is over destroying a world of individuals, people as varied as we are. These worlds matter. In Star Wars, planets are just statistics: the Death Star destroyed a statistic, X billion people, where only one (princess Leia) really mattered. Star Wars is all about maintaining a class system where royal birth mattered. But CV challenges this (as we shall see). Even in the next couple of pages we will see that each individual matters, even if they are among the bad guys: there are no nondescript storm troopers here. CV worlds are characterised by their depth and variety. Each Star Wars planet is much simpler than Earth (one is a desert, one is a swamp, one is an ice world, etc.), but in CV we will see that it is planet Earth that is the boring speck in comparison. Why is Captain Victory blond?It's interesting that Kirby, the Jewish kid, makes his god-like beings look Aryan. Contrast Superman, the other godlike being created by Jewish kids: definitely dark haired. But Kirby absorbed his culture from everywhere and treats heroes and villains the same, judging them by their acts, not the colour of their hair. Kirby would know, even directly or indirectly, that the ancient Greeks thought of their gods as golden haired. ( Link, another link). According to Plutarch, Alexander the Great was pale skinned and fair as well, even though the majority of Greeks of course had dark hair. Kirby's concept of godhood is based on real mythology. He is extending the work of Homer and Hesiod. The real world ancient godsI mentioned before that Kirby's constant interest was the mythical ancient gods who "created" us. I mentioned how the Kree and Celestials were much closer in concept before later writers changed them. In the real world, the ancient Greeks (first scientific humans) looked back to their cultural origins in Minoan Crete. Hence Zeus, head of the gods, was born on Crete. The most likely explanation of Atlantis is that it refers to Crete, but the distances got confused in translation so Plato assumed it must be beyond the Pillars of Hercules. Crete was destroyed by a great tidal wave at the eruption of Thera c.1420 BC. This island of the gods was the mythical origin of scientific man. In Greek, Crete is spelled with a "k". Its inhabitants were called the Kree-tee. With Kirby they became the Kree. Plato's mythic version of this island was in the Atlantic, so he called it Atlantis. In the Kirbyverse it is Attilan. The exact names do not matter, as each civilisation gives these myths different names. but it is the same story. But that's a tangent: back to the splash page! Why does his body look so... wrong?The first time I saw this splash age I thought "that's bad art. Kirby is not trying." Oh boy, was I wrong! Well technically I was right: Kirby can probably create great art unconsciously, and this is supposed to be wrong. It's bulbous, dead looking. Worse, he's just standing there! Kirby's splash pages always show insane action, so why is the first issue of Captain Victory, the guy with gigantic guns on the cover, just standing there? It's like not wearing a Kirby head piece, it's so shocking that it has to mean something. Modern readers maybe do not notice: our modern comics are full of boring talking heads. But this is Kirby!!! We see in later pages that Kirby has not forgotten how to be Kirby. Other characters are in constant Kirby motion. His frozen immobility is the story. It reinforces what we saw on the cover about his inner conflict. Time to look at his dialog: "You heard my order! I want ANOTHER computer check on the position of this solar system!"Why is he shouting? There is no doubt the other guy can hear easily. Is the other guy some unruly subordinate? not in a military command as important as this. Why is "another" emphasised? He keeps rechecking the data. Yet everything to this point - plus the explosive background - screams urgency. Why is he hesitating? What will be the cost of this hesitation? (Hint: possibly allowing the enemy leader to escape, and the destruction of planet Earth) What we see is the greatest battle of all: the battle inside the mind of a moral individual about to commit genocide. "What we're looking at may be a serious breach of galactic law!"I find that Kirby works best if you imagine each frame as six frames in a modern decompressed comic. In my opinion Kirby writes the best dialog out there, but you have to give it room to breathe. You have to imagine a Laurence Olivier or Marlon Brando, and give them as much time as they need. As a reader you have to insert the pauses and change of tone. You have to imagine the different camera angles yourself. Just as Shakespeare famously gives the absolute bare minimum of direction, so does Kirby. Kirby expects his readers to be fluent in the art of reading compressed comics. Kirby knows that a lot of kids don't have much money, so he will not waste paper (and his drawing time) giving you pauses and inflections that you can add yourself. Who is committing the "serious breach"?This line is a good example of Kirby's superb dialog, and why it often passes people by. On a quick reading he is wasting words, using tell don't show, and then adding a superfluous very stiffly worded sentence saying the same thing: something bad has happened, check your data and then we attack. Bad dialog, right? But look closer. Given the distance between speech balloons, the "breach" quote should be thought of as several panels later (in a decompressed comic), with a suitable pause. Then the serious breach almost certainly refers to what Captain Victory himself is about to do, if he makes even the slightest error. Intergalactic lawThis whole series is a conceptual progression from Kirby's other work. This is not about a lone hero taking risks and sometimes breaking the rules. It is about the rules finally being right: just laws throughout the galaxy. Laws designed for the most horrifying and difficult of dilemmas. Law is the only way humans can survive as a group. That was how our ancestors first defeated larger mammals, by forming groups with rules to ensure the best best possible division of labour. And that is our only hope for facing threats bigger than our planet. Explosive tensionWe are only on the plash page and already we know a danger of galactic scale is present. And with Kirby, galactic scale actually means something. We see the greatest hero unwilling to give the command. yet there could be galactic repercussions. We do not know what the threat is, but we know it's big!!! This decision frozen in time, at the start of a Kirby story (which lives and breathes action) is like an explosion in anyone else's story. The story is about stopping to think, even when faced with what seems the most obvious and urgent choice. Captain Victory does not want to give the command, yet he must. On the next page this will become even clearer. This adds an irony to his name: what kind of "victory" is it that allows an entire world to be destroyed? And the buck stops with him, the captain. What kind of "victory" results in the deaths of billions of innocent people (for why they are innocent see later installments!) His very name creates the conflict at the heart of this story. How do we win when faced with annihilation? Is violence really the answer? Yet hand wringing good intentions are not an option! Kirby faces the dilemma of real world violence head on, and in this series will suggest solutions. Next: the story really begins! I might not have time to post for a week or so. But I will try to get the whole first issue reviewed by the end of the year.
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on May 9, 2016 12:14:01 GMT -5
I have the entire series and I plan to follow along. As do I, haven't gotten around to reading it yet so I'll have to see what tolworthy thinks. One thing I can say is a lot of the artwork is classic Kirby, maybe not his best stuff but it's still high quality art.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 9, 2016 18:06:23 GMT -5
I remember reading issue #1 and being turned off because he had multiple clone bodies. Where's the drama if he can't be permanently killed?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 9, 2016 18:28:32 GMT -5
Where's the drama if he can't be permanently killed? I take it you don't read comic books any more. The concept of permanent death has been klled
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Post by shaxper on May 9, 2016 18:53:58 GMT -5
I remember reading issue #1 and being turned off because he had multiple clone bodies. Where's the drama if he can't be permanently killed? Sounds like No-Man of the THUNDER Agents
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Post by tolworthy on May 9, 2016 18:55:16 GMT -5
I remember reading issue #1 and being turned off because he had multiple clone bodies. Where's the drama if he can't be permanently killed? I'll have a better answer when I get to those pages, I've only skimmed them so far, but I see several layers of drama already: - He is burning through his fifty bodies at a terrific rate, and then he's dead for good.
- His soul is dying. IIRC the power starts to turn him mad. He enjoys the power, the killing.
- And if he maintains his morality, can he retain his sanity? How does he handle being the guy who's job is to destroy planets, planets full of mostly innocent people, as part of a bigger war?
- Then there's the galactic drama. Let's say you're right, he overcomes the fifty clone limit. The pressure is turning him into a killing machine. He can swat our planet like a fly, and enjoy it. Where does that leave Earth? He's the galactic police, we have nowhere to turn.
- And let's say he somehow avoids death, avoids becoming a monster, and avoids going mad. What is his life? This war is endless. His role is to kill, to give his life, and repeat forever. How must that feel?
- Technically the story is not about him, but about Earth. The drama, announced on the splash page, is that this battle is coming to Earth. The last planet who got a visit from the Insektons is now ashes.
I see it as a cosmic drama on the biggest possible scale. In previous Kirby stories the danger was loss of life. Now, in the final Kirby story, the stakes are much higher.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 10, 2016 4:59:08 GMT -5
Where's the drama if he can't be permanently killed? I take it you don't read comic books any more. The concept of permanent death has been killed At the time Captain Victory was published in 1981, death wasn't the joke it is now.
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