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Post by Prince Hal on May 31, 2016 9:31:55 GMT -5
Courtesy Wikipedia:
Salicrup " is credited with coming up with the idea of running "Kraven's Last Hunt" as a crossover through all the Spider-Man titles.[7] He followed this by hiring Todd McFarlane to draw the title."
I guess the former is considered quite an achievement. (Even a broken clock is right twice a day.)
The latter shows what this guy knew about art.
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Post by Confessor on May 31, 2016 10:56:38 GMT -5
Courtesy Wikipedia: Salicrup " is credited with coming up with the idea of running "Kraven's Last Hunt" as a crossover through all the Spider-Man titles.[7] He followed this by hiring Todd McFarlane to draw the title." I guess the former is considered quite an achievement. (Even a broken clock is right twice a day.) The latter shows what this guy knew about art. Do you not even like what McFarlane did with Spidey's webbing? I'm kinda "meh" about McFarlane's artwork generally -- don't hate it, don't love it either -- but I loved the way he drew those messy, tangled, looping web lines. Really, in terms of Spider-Man comics, that and the look of Venom represent his enduring legacy. |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 31, 2016 12:37:41 GMT -5
Courtesy Wikipedia: Salicrup " is credited with coming up with the idea of running "Kraven's Last Hunt" as a crossover through all the Spider-Man titles.[7] He followed this by hiring Todd McFarlane to draw the title." I guess the former is considered quite an achievement. (Even a broken clock is right twice a day.) The latter shows what this guy knew about art. Do you not even like what McFarlane did with Spidey's webbing? I'm kinda "meh" about McFarlane's artwork generally -- don't hate it, don't love it either -- but I loved the way he drew those messy, tangled, looping web lines. Really, in terms of Spider-Man comics, that and the look of Venom represent his enduring legacy. " Web of Spider-Man" was an apt title for that era. Or maybe "Braided Steel cable of Spider-Man."  Just as they should have changed every kelley Jones Batman comic to "Ears of the Batman" or "Drapery of the Batman." Oooohhh! Him am weawwy scawy!   |
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Post by Confessor on May 31, 2016 13:30:47 GMT -5
Do you not even like what McFarlane did with Spidey's webbing? I'm kinda "meh" about McFarlane's artwork generally -- don't hate it, don't love it either -- but I loved the way he drew those messy, tangled, looping web lines. Really, in terms of Spider-Man comics, that and the look of Venom represent his enduring legacy. " Web of Spider-Man" was an apt title for that era. Or maybe "Braided Steel cable of Spider-Man." Just as they should have changed every kelley Jones Batman comic to "Ears of the Batman" or "Drapery of the Batman." Oooohhh! Him am weawwy scawy! I'll take that as a "no" then. |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 31, 2016 13:35:22 GMT -5
I'll take that as a "no" then. You are correct, sir! (Cue hearty Ed McMahon laugh.) |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2016 14:16:31 GMT -5
Twisted like that, the web is definitely going to tie itself into knots! Ah, but I forget... tying the knot is an easily-solved problem in the Spider-man books!!!  |
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Post by Confessor on May 31, 2016 17:19:39 GMT -5
Twisted like that, the web is definitely going to tie itself into knots! Ah, but I forget... tying the knot is an easily-solved problem in the Spider-man books!!! We need a "groan" button in this forum. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 31, 2016 17:33:23 GMT -5
Remember to vote in the Jamie awards! Todays the last day.
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Post by foxley on May 31, 2016 17:40:22 GMT -5
Twisted like that, the web is definitely going to tie itself into knots! Ah, but I forget... tying the knot is an easily-solved problem in the Spider-man books!!! Remember kids. Divorce is wrong, but making deals with Satan is A-Okay! Actually, now that I think about, Joe Quesada's editorial decree that all married women in the Marvel Universe who were not mothers must die counts as editorial sabotage. His reasoning was that marriage makes heroes 'boring'. But it was always the female partner who had to die. I guess in Joe's world, it is impossible for female characters to interesting, and there only role is to be mothers. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 31, 2016 17:43:11 GMT -5
Twisted like that, the web is definitely going to tie itself into knots! Ah, but I forget... tying the knot is an easily-solved problem in the Spider-man books!!! Remember kids. Divorce is wrong, but making deals with Satan is A-Okay! Actually, now that I think about, Joe Quesada's editorial decree that all married women in the Marvel Universe who were not mothers must die counts as editorial sabotage. His reasoning was that marriage makes heroes 'boring'. But it was always the female partner who had to die. I guess in Joe's world, it is impossible for female characters to interesting, and there only role is to be mothers. Ha, I agree about married people being boring( Exception to the FF) , But a deal with Satan  ?? |
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Post by foxley on May 31, 2016 17:47:54 GMT -5
Remember kids. Divorce is wrong, but making deals with Satan is A-Okay! Actually, now that I think about, Joe Quesada's editorial decree that all married women in the Marvel Universe who were not mothers must die counts as editorial sabotage. His reasoning was that marriage makes heroes 'boring'. But it was always the female partner who had to die. I guess in Joe's world, it is impossible for female characters to interesting, and there only role is to be mothers. Ha, I agree about married people being boring( Exception to the FF) , But a deal with Satan ?? Mephisto is generally regarded to be MU's equivalent to Satan. Quesada has said that having meeting Peter and MJ divorce would send the wrong message to kids. But apparently having Peter make a deal with Mephisto to make it so his marriage never existed is fine. So Quesada is apparently opposed to divorce, but fine with making pacts with Infernal forces. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 31, 2016 17:51:18 GMT -5
PAD did address the whole issue of having the various versions of Satan in X-Factor... that same story where Strong Guy ends up Lord of Hell  |
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 1, 2016 9:16:26 GMT -5
I heard of tales in the 80's where Steve Englehart had his FF stories tampered with so much so, that he took his name off of it and used a fake name. It's too bad because when he took the book over he had a love triangle happening between Johnny, Crystal and Alicia that was kind of groundbreaking. Oh boy, that's putting it mildly. The war began with the usual frustrations, like having to interrupt the flow of the story for an event crossover that made no sense (FF312), then escalated to being forced to suddenly and inexplicably reverse his major storyline (FF326), at which time he took his name off the book. The final straw was having an entire story re-dialogued after it was drawn, resulting in a confusing mess (the first part of annual 21 IIRC). This led to him leading Marvel completely. He was not alone. Walt Simonson took over, but soon left Marvel for similar reasons. Keith Pollard, the FF artist at the time, left for related reasons. He did not like the direction comics were taking: they were no longer something he felt proud of. The funny thing is, the exodus of talent is usually blamed on Jim Shooter, but this happened after he left. Englehart is often blamed for bad FF books, but only 12 of his 32 issues can be considered mainly his vision. (Specifically, 304-311, 313, 320-321, and Annual 20.) To me those are classics every one. I thought that most of the Englehart issues were pretty good, but not so much towards the end. The "John Harkness" issues are ptretty bad, but the other ones are mostly enjoyable, I think. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 2, 2016 16:13:34 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned the whole idea behind X-Factor?
Nobody needed that mag, but it made sense to exploit the X-franchise. What does it matter if it required destroying the character of Scott Summers, negating all the emotional investment in Jean Grey's death, invalidating the very positive message that life goes on after the loss of a loved one, that the whole concept of mutant rescuers posing as mutant hunters is grotesque and that the book itself was pretty ordinary?
Chris Claremont's careful work on the mutant titles was sabotaged right there, but I'd argue that the entire world of mainstream American comics was as well.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 2, 2016 16:26:39 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned the whole idea behind X-Factor? Nobody needed that mag, but it made sense to exploit the X-franchise. What does it matter if it required destroying the character of Scott Summers, negating all the emotional investment in Jean Grey's death, invalidating the very positive message that life goes on after the loss of a loved one, that the whole concept of mutant rescuers posing as mutant hunters is grotesque and that the book itself was pretty ordinary? Chris Claremont's careful work on the mutant titles was sabotaged right there, but I'd argue that the entire world of mainstream American comics was as well. Knew nothing of this, R 2, as my comics diet had been very much reduced by the time Jean Grey died and Cyclops left the team, but what you describe is one of the reasons I left most of my old favorites behind: disregard and even disrespect for characters, tradition, and not least, the art and craft of strorytelling. |
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