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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 22, 2016 19:55:00 GMT -5
No . No! No !!This is one of the greatest stories and two parters Ever ! Ever !And it has one of the most shocking splash pages ever.  How is that shocking after you've seen the cover? The pacing of the story and the look on their faces when they see the original Avengers sitting at the table is classic. For all we know, the cover might have been symbolic. |
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Post by Farrar on Jun 22, 2016 20:13:20 GMT -5
"Here's a comic that had a great cover, a real classic by Buscema. The interior art just couldn't measure up. I do like Heck and Roth, the story's artists; but here they just fell flat. It was not their best work by a longshot.*** *** And upon reflection, even if they had brought their A game to this, the art would've still paled in comparison to that cover. I mean, c'mon--how many can compete with Buscema??? Interesting that you should say that... when Don Heck was busy drawing this annual, John Buscema filled in for him on the monthly Avengers book. Roy Thomas, who was writing it, found that he liked working with John. Roy asked Stan to keep John on the book permanently, and Stan agreed. So this annual led directly to John Buscema replacing Don Heck on Avengers. Actually Rob, I think you are mixing up the years. Buscema filled in for Heck, the monthly book's regular penciler, when Heck was busy on Avengers Annual #1, 1967. And as you noted, Roy was so enthralled with Big John's art that he pulled strings to have him--Buscema--remain on the monthly book. So, by the time of 1968's Avengers Annual #2 (the comic in my post), Buscema had been the monthly book's regular artist for about a year. For Avengers Annual #2, the pencilers called in were Don Heck and Werner Roth. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 22, 2016 21:02:37 GMT -5
Interesting that you should say that... when Don Heck was busy drawing this annual, John Buscema filled in for him on the monthly Avengers book. Roy Thomas, who was writing it, found that he liked working with John. Roy asked Stan to keep John on the book permanently, and Stan agreed. So this annual led directly to John Buscema replacing Don Heck on Avengers. Actually Rob, I think you are mixing up the years. Buscema filled in for Heck, the monthly book's regular penciler, when Heck was busy on Avengers Annual #1, 1967. And as you noted, Roy was so enthralled with Big John's art that he pulled strings to have him--Buscema--remain on the monthly book. So, by the time of 1968's Avengers Annual #2 (the comic in my post), Buscema had been the monthly book's regular artist for about a year. For Avengers Annual #2, the pencilers called in were Don Heck and Werner Roth. Yes, this sounds right. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 22, 2016 21:11:21 GMT -5
Sometimes, it's just darn impossible to match the cover...   You just need to lookat the name of the penciler to see how disapointed one might be if opening the comic beyond the cover... Also, this led me to believe I was purchasing soft porn :  But I'd be more interestead in the other dynamic : a misleading cover when the artwork inside is miles better then the cover.  Or this : the cover is by the artist but the interior is miles above the cover :  Or it could also be very misleading and yet the artwork inside would also be great, but disconnected from the cover :  |
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 23, 2016 0:54:12 GMT -5
 Superman appears in the framing sequence, but it's all Tomahawk reprints. In an odd twist, the cover is a rework of the cover to Superman #14 by Fred Ray. While Curt Swan handles the Superman parts, the original Tomahawk issues that are reprinted were drawn by... Fred Ray. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 8:13:34 GMT -5
FF #208 had a nice cover, but interior art was just awful!  |
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Post by Red Oak Kid on Jun 23, 2016 9:00:43 GMT -5
Superman appears in the framing sequence, but it's all Tomahawk reprints. In an odd twist, the cover is a rework of the cover to Superman #14 by Fred Ray. While Curt Swan handles the Superman parts, the original Tomahawk issues that are reprinted were drawn by... Fred Ray. YES! I remember seeing this on the magazine rack and wondering "What were they thinking?". |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 23, 2016 10:17:23 GMT -5
Actually Rob, I think you are mixing up the years. Buscema filled in for Heck, the monthly book's regular penciler, when Heck was busy on Avengers Annual #1, 1967. And as you noted, Roy was so enthralled with Big John's art that he pulled strings to have him--Buscema--remain on the monthly book. So, by the time of 1968's Avengers Annual #2 (the comic in my post), Buscema had been the monthly book's regular artist for about a year. For Avengers Annual #2, the pencilers called in were Don Heck and Werner Roth. Oops, you're right, I got my annuals confused. I can imagine the conversation in 1968 - "Hey John, you want to draw this year's annual? We can have somebody fill in for you on the monthly book." John, remembering how he got the job - "No, thanks". |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 26, 2016 9:06:06 GMT -5
 This book had a reprint of FF # 101. I'm so glad that Jim Shooter came along and stopped creators sliding in reprints when they missed their deadlines. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 10:19:03 GMT -5
This book had a reprint of FF # 101. I'm so glad that Jim Shooter came along and stopped creators sliding in reprints when they missed their deadlines. I've always loved how Tigra's big blue bewbs on that cover are each as big as her head! |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 27, 2016 14:13:28 GMT -5
This book had a reprint of FF # 101. I'm so glad that Jim Shooter came along and stopped creators sliding in reprints when they missed their deadlines. The creators didn't make those decisions - the company decided to wait and pay a late fee to the printer or publish a reprint that month. Shooter and his boss, Jim Galton, decided to stop the reprints. I'm not sure how they handled missed deadlines; I seem to recall that they had a fill-in story ready for all ther main books. |
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Post by JKCarrier on Jul 2, 2016 13:22:06 GMT -5
Shooter and his boss, Jim Galton, decided to stop the reprints. I'm not sure how they handled missed deadlines; I seem to recall that they had a fill-in story ready for all ther main books. As I recall, Shooter created a "fake" series called "Marvel Fill-In", so they could justify putting it on the publishing schedule. And then assigned various people to write and draw issues (I think Bill Mantlo and Sal Buscema did most of them). A lot of the stories were team-ups, so they would be usable in multiple titles (e.g., a Spider-Man/Human Torch story could be used in one of the Spidey titles, or Fantastic Four, or Marvel Team-Up, if needed). Pretty clever. Decades later, as the audience became dominated by hardcore fans who were more particular about creators and continuity, the companies decided that the value of having a superstar creator on board outweighed the drawbacks of a book being late, so they'd just let the books ship late. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 2, 2016 14:43:24 GMT -5
FF #208 had a nice cover, but interior art was just awful! credits the artwork to: Pencils: Sal Buscema (breakdowns); Al Milgrom [as Diverse Hands] (finished art); Frank Giacoia [as Diverse Hands] (finished art); Frank Springer [as Diverse Hands] (finished art); ? [as Diverse Hands] (finished art) Inks: Al Milgrom [as Diverse Hands]; Frank Giacoia [as Diverse Hands]; Frank Springer [as Diverse Hands]; ? [as Diverse Hands] No wonder the end result of such a mish-mash of "diverse hands" was less than pleasing! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 19:29:09 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 2, 2016 20:10:30 GMT -5
This is an awesome cover. |
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