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Post by earl on Jul 15, 2016 23:54:20 GMT -5
You can make a good list of transgressive comics done with the classic characters over the last 15-20 years. While the idea of Old Man Logan character is excellent and parts of that mini-series are really good, the Hulk and She-Hulk incest angle of that story is just flat out WRONG to do. Identity Crisis is pretty much DC's snuff film. That whole thing is sleazy with a capital S. I love Ed Brubaker's comics, but X-Men Deadly Genesis is some bullshirt making Professor X that big a creep. You also don't have the "girlfriend in a refrigerator" Green Lantern story on the list and it seems to be one that people really don't like over the years. This one is pretty loathesome too. goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2015/03/08/things-that-turned-out-bad-that-time-ms-marvel-gave-birth-to-her-own-rapist/ |
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Post by earl on Jul 15, 2016 23:56:57 GMT -5
Out of the stories on the list, that Osborn/Gwen comic is nasty wrong.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 16, 2016 1:06:31 GMT -5
I agree with Shaxper - I was thinking about this and Action Comics #593 is the worst of the worst!  I just don't know what on John Byrne's mind when he did this insane issue! I'm convinced this was retaliation for Kirby's satire of him in Destroyer Duck. It's a damn shame, because I otherwise enjoy what Byrne did with Superman (Post-Crisis editorial warts and all). |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 16, 2016 1:09:23 GMT -5
Yeah, Gwen having kids with Osborn wins every time. I still can't believe this was green-lighted, even during the Quesada era, which I generally loathe. The only surprise on the list for me is Captain Marvel dying of cancer. Don't most people consider this a touching classic?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 16, 2016 1:53:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Gwen having kids with Osborn wins every time. I still can't believe this was green-lighted, even during the Quesada era, which I generally loathe. The only surprise on the list for me is Captain Marvel dying of cancer. Don't most people consider this a touching classic? I think I might vote for the Captain Marvel dying story only because It killed off the Best Captain Marvel instead of trying to do something with him. I remember Shooter saying that they didn't know what to do with him anymore. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 16, 2016 1:55:20 GMT -5
While I agree that the Pym story was very good, I hated them making one of my favorite characters a disgrace.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 16, 2016 2:07:40 GMT -5
I agree with Shaxper - I was thinking about this and Action Comics #593 is the worst of the worst! I just don't know what on John Byrne's mind when he did this insane issue! I didn't include this because It's throw away story. It probably will never be referenced again and not really part of any continuity. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 16, 2016 2:28:30 GMT -5
Left off some silver-age "badness" such as
The Black Zero story whereby some bald headed alien claimed to be the one responsible for Krypton exploding and Supes letting him escape thinking "I'll get him another day"
The Mopee story whereby a Woody Allen-looking imp claims responsibility for the chemical bath Barry Allen took which gave him Flash powers.
Mopee became the term for stories fans hated and would totally ignore
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 16, 2016 7:37:25 GMT -5
I agree with c&c: "The Death of Captain Marvel" has no business on this list. Even so, every last one of these stories is pure gold compared to major chunks of the Golden Age drek I've been playing through.
Cei-U!
I vote "None of the above!"
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 16, 2016 7:42:59 GMT -5
I also did not have issue with Hal's murderous rampage. I could see it coming (though I wasn't reading it each month as it came out as some might) as Hal's arrogance and stubbornness lead him to think he knew best.
I thought a man as powerful as Marvel taken by something so akin to every human on Earth was a good story. It's intent, I'm sure was to do just that, relate a superhero to the reader in a very real way.
I'm no Punisher fan, and while I thought the Angel of Death concept was silly it was executed well. Plus I'm not ashamed to admit Wrighton's art sways my opinion too. This is a visual medium too.
Of what I've read and that I can't think of an "other" option I'll go Clone Saga. Not so much that I cared saying Peter was the clone all along but the length it took to tell the story. The bait and switch they'd do with giving hints something would happen. Making every other issue a special cover to knock the price up more. All the one-shots that would reveal stuff. To be honest I gave up and sold almost the whole saga. But I wouldn't mind reading it again if I found a cheap TPB or found it at a library.
When was the Gwen/Obsorne thing? I've never read it and it looks pretty modern.
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Post by Warmonger on Jul 16, 2016 9:29:11 GMT -5
Well, Frank's been my favorite for around 30 years now, so I had to go with the craptastic work delivered by Chris Golden and Sniegoski.
Shame that a Bernie Wrightson/Jimmy Palmiotti artistic duo was wasted on such a terrible concept.
Thank God for Garth Ennis and his resurrection of the character.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 9:42:56 GMT -5
The Black Zero story whereby some bald headed alien claimed to be the one responsible for Krypton exploding and Supes letting him escape thinking "I'll get him another day" To be that guy - Black Zero died at the end of that story. Supes did vow to track down the space pirates who'd hired him to destroy Krypton, and they were never mentioned again, since everybody agreed to Mopee that story. It's actually one of my favorite 'bad' stories, not so much for the 'I destroyed Krypton' bit as for the weird characterization of Superman as an arrogant ass. It was apparently a reaction to what somebody at DC thought was making Marvel so popular. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 16, 2016 9:49:36 GMT -5
While I agree that the Pym story was very good, I hated them making one of my favorite characters a disgrace. Thing is, it really didn't. The storyline that began with Pym striking Jan ( once, in a moment of madness) and that causing his marriage to collapse and his Avengers membership to be terminated led to a lengthy 'road to redemption' saga which was probably the most interesting thing anyone's ever done with the character. The problem is that much later writers, within the last fifteen years or so, basically seemed to think that this was all there was to him, and ignored everything except that one slap in the face. Now, we have a new generation of both writers and fans who've clearly never read those eighties issues dismissing Pym as either "the wife beater" or "the nutcase". It's frustrating. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 16, 2016 9:57:35 GMT -5
Anyway, for me personally, it would have to be Excalibur #53, in which Scott Lobdell pointlessly retconned Captain Britain into having been an alcoholic who only got his act together with the help of Spider-Man, a story which was not only insulting to the character and his fans but which also totally disregarded key points of established Marvel UK continuity in a totally disrespectful manner. I wrote a letter of complaint. They didn't print it.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 16, 2016 10:43:17 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, this is more about the story you feel more strongly against, than the worst one you've actually ever read. If it were the latter, probably some horror story (the horror!) in a local magazine called SOS. Towards the end of its third iteration, it contained some of the most unprofessional work I've ever seen published. Just for kicks, here's the cover to the last issue:  If we're talking about the former, then I agree with the majority about Sins Past, but at least, my conscience is clear in this respect, because I tried to propose a solution. Just complaining is more popular and, probably, easier. |
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