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Post by Farrar on Jul 29, 2016 9:44:32 GMT -5
This is totally new to me and I seen a couple of stories and I never knew how these stories pans out. I would love these stories back then and I shoot myself in the foot for not reading them. This is kind of like a world that never existed and it's took me by surprise. Mecha (and anyone else who is interested), there's a Super Sons tpb: www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/batmansuperman-saga-of-the-super-sons"For the first time, the complete saga of the Super Sons is collected in one volume! Features stories from the pages of WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #215-216, 221-222, 224, 228, 230, 231, 233, 238, 242, 263 and ELSEWORLDS 80-PAGE GIANT #1!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 10:10:59 GMT -5
This is totally new to me and I seen a couple of stories and I never knew how these stories pans out. I would love these stories back then and I shoot myself in the foot for not reading them. This is kind of like a world that never existed and it's took me by surprise. Mecha (and anyone else who is interested), there's a Super Sons tpb: www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/batmansuperman-saga-of-the-super-sons"For the first time, the complete saga of the Super Sons is collected in one volume! Features stories from the pages of WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #215-216, 221-222, 224, 228, 230, 231, 233, 238, 242, 263 and ELSEWORLDS 80-PAGE GIANT #1!" Big thank you for this information and I will contact my Comic Book Store and see if they have a copy and send it to my home this is great!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 13:22:11 GMT -5
This is totally new to me and I seen a couple of stories and I never knew how these stories pans out. I would love these stories back then and I shoot myself in the foot for not reading them. This is kind of like a world that never existed and it's took me by surprise. Mecha (and anyone else who is interested), there's a Super Sons tpb: www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/batmansuperman-saga-of-the-super-sons"For the first time, the complete saga of the Super Sons is collected in one volume! Features stories from the pages of WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #215-216, 221-222, 224, 228, 230, 231, 233, 238, 242, 263 and ELSEWORLDS 80-PAGE GIANT #1!" Sorry, that I quoted you twice and my Comic Book Store have a copy of the paperback/tpb for a reasonable price of which includes shipping. Thanks again for your tip. I should get my copy in 5-7 business days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 20:40:24 GMT -5
Mech I'm curious to see what you think about it. I hope to get back to my reviews tomorrow. Had to work 2 12 hour shifts this weekend...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 7:33:31 GMT -5
Mech I'm curious to see what you think about it. I hope to get back to my reviews tomorrow. Had to work 2 12 hour shifts this weekend... I will when the book come ... it's might be a week before I make a generalization of these stories ...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 19:38:53 GMT -5
Cry Not For My Forsaken Son. The story starts with the mother's telling their sons they can't keep being super-heroes. The mother's faces are never seen in any stories but Superman's wife has black hair & Batman's wife has brown hair. Of course the dads agree. And right away this story starts off on the wrong foot. Besides Haney's contrived situations & horrible comic book science the worst part of these stories was how unlikable the characters were. All of them (dads, moms & sons) acted like complete jerks. Haney did surprise me with two panels that summarize the previous two Super-Sons stories. The sons storm off & meet up to complain about their parents. They see the police chasing a car & intervene. The car was stolen by a Danny Orr & it belongs to Commissioner Gordon. He releases Orr to the sons custody. Orr then complains about his dad being a doorman & worse yet he finds out he is adopted. He tells off his father to go find his "real" dad which pisses off the sons. Superman Jr follows Danny while Batman Jr does some detective work. Orr's biological dad Mark King turns out to be wealthy. But Batman Jr finds out Jack Orr & Mark King were friends that were both in love with the same girl Anne. Mark marries her & she dies giving birth. Jack & Mark are in Central America looking for treasure. Mark stays to keep looking while Jack returns to take care of Danny (because he still loved Anne). The sons are horrified with this info. Danny is happy with his new life & agrees to go to his dad's mines in Central America. The sons follow him & find the workers are treated like slaves. The sons confront Danny & tunnel into the worker's living quarters where Danny finds Jack Orr? The head of the mines comes in & Superman Jr lets one of the workers get killed before he intervenes? Then a fight breaks out & during the confusion Jack is kidnapped. Batman Jr goes after him to save him before he is killed. Superman Jr rescues Batman Jr, Danny & Jack from sharks after the chase causes them to be swept out to sea. It is revealed that Jack was working for the government to infiltrate the mining operation to get proof of the conditions. Huh? Danny goes back to the USA & confronts Mark about the illegal operations & when Mark threatens Danny the sons rush in. Mark is never shown being arrested & Danny reunites with his dad Jack who forgives him & takes him back. The sons are pleased that everything turned out OK.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 19:45:45 GMT -5
After the rough start the story got a little better mainly because the parents did not appear in the rest of the story. The interactions between parents & sons were just terrible. Plus there was no Haney Stupid Science Situations (HSSS). Take note as I will use this abbreviation in later reviews!
The positives: Commissioner Gordon's appearance. The two panel recap of the previous 2 stories.
The negatives: The sons letting people be killed before intervening! I can't believe this passed the CCA!
Grade: D+
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 21:12:35 GMT -5
Some observations: when the stories focus solely on the sons they aren't as bad. But as we will see Haney brings the dads back into the stories & those are the worse ones. Wait until we see the sons switch dads & Robin challenges Bruce Jr as to who should be the Batman someday. And will we ever find out who Clark & Bruce married?
And in addition to HSSS I introduce another Haneyism - Superman Batman Family Dysfunction Syndrome (SBFDS)...
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 1, 2016 23:02:52 GMT -5
I've done mini-reviews of all the Super-Sons issues (except for the last couple) as part of my Bronze Age Superman thread, so I'm going to respond to these issues as you review them. Overall, total gibberish in my opinion, but I do like Haney a lot, so I found much of it to be very entertaining in the way only his writing can be entertaining. Like watching a clown car catch fire and explode.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 1, 2016 23:04:16 GMT -5
Where do you start with how bad this story was? Both the dads & the sons are unlikeable. The contrived test that is created is just cringe worthy. The explanations gave me a headache. I would have been 10 years old when I first read this. I guess I liked it then because I kept buying World's Finest. Wow...
At least Dick Dillin's art was good. Here's what I had to say about this issue, which I had blissfully expunged from my memory until you dredged it back up: World's Finest #215: I'm going to say right up front that I have an instinctive dislike of the entire concept of the Super-Sons. I hate this kind of gimmicky, pandery stuff - it's like the X-babies, you know? Ugh. Blah. However, I am going to try my darndest to just grade these on story merits alone. We'll see if I can. And actually, given the premise, this isn't bad. I actually found myself liking Clark Jr. and to a lesser extent Bruce Jr. as they clashed with their overprotective super-dads. Superman comes up with a completely ridiculous plan to test the boys to see if they are ready to become heroes in their own right. It's not only underhanded and manipulative, it's flat out stupid, which we can thank or blame Bob Haney for. In a bit of physics right out of Superman flying around the sun fast enough to reverse time, he pruposesly causes a giant earthquake on the San Andreas fault, because this somehow causes a city on the fault to create a duplicate version of itself shifted out of time. He then shunts the Super-Sons into this fake alternate world so they can fight the crime boss there. The boss then whups them and kills them. Superman feels bad, as he should, but it turns out the Super-Sons did some super-trickery and faked their own deaths. They win, the end. Parts of this story weren't bad. But man, Superman's plan was asinine. And he and Batman acted like total tools to their kids. Plus, Haney writes this headscratcher of an essay claiming that these are not imaginary stories, just aspects of Superman and Batman's life they haven't mentioned before. So.. firstly, they are both apparently in their 40's at least since they have grown children. Plus, they are both married, which would probably come as a big surprise to Lois and robot Lois both. Thirdly, this is stupid. So fourthly, My Grade: C-. I don't mind Bob Haney playing fast and loose in his stories, but I'm not so keen on him playing fast and loose with the readers.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 1, 2016 23:06:48 GMT -5
This story was a little better. I think because the dads did not appear so we avoid the inane arguments that plagued the first story. I was also surprised that Haney established some of Superman Jr's powers. Of course the whole premise behind the story was so contrived it felt silly but honestly Haney was not the only writer guilty of this back then. If I gave the first story a failing grade then I would give this one a C-. My take on this one: World's Finest #216: Oh my god, Bob Haney. Check out the opening line from this issue's Super-Sons story, spoken by Bruce Wayne Jr.: "Civilization at last, Clark, baby! I'm perishing for a hamburger and lonely for the look in a chick's eyes when she sees the muscles rippling under my t-shirt!" I think I just found a new motto for life. I have to say, as dumb as I think the basic premise of this series is, I am enjoying it. Haney's writing is a lot more idiosyncratic than that of his peers and that makes for interesting stories, even if they don't always make sense. Plus, I kind of like the juniors, particularly Clark, Jr. In this case, Bruce and Clark find a small town acting all weird and it turns out the town conspired to murder some aliens who lived there in the hopes of stealing all the loot form the alien spaceship. Clark and Bruce uncover the deal and root out the ringleader, whereupon... everyone in town is just pardoned after the ship repairs itself and flies away. I guess there's no law against murdering aliens, but letting the townsfolk off the hook doesn't really sit right with me. Still, an entertaining story, especially with Haney's unique turns of phrase. My Grade: B. Just keep in mind I have a very high tolerance for nonsense.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 1, 2016 23:10:30 GMT -5
I didn't have much to say about this one: World's Finest #221: Hey, look! The Super-Sons are back! This time around, they meet a real jerk of a kid who recently discovered he was adopted. So he craps all over his adopted father (metaphorically) and instead teams up with his rich, a-hole biological dad. Turns out his rich dad got rich by swindling his adopted dad out of a fair share of their mining business. Plus, he has labor camps full of slaves working in his mines. Batman Jr. and Superman Jr. help the kid realize what a total tool he has been. They also save, well, some of the slaves anyway, then escort the biological dad off to jail. That counts as a win I guess? My Grade: B-. Bob Haney has a way of putting interesting real world problems into his stories without getting preachy or being to "relevant." The stories just don't always make sense. But I appreciate it anyway. Best of all, this issue has no Metamorpho! I should give it an A+ just for that. Bad as these stories are, they seem to much better when you've just read a Metamorpho appearance instead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 8:38:32 GMT -5
I've done mini-reviews of all the Super-Sons issues (except for the last couple) as part of my Bronze Age Superman thread, so I'm going to respond to these issues as you review them. Overall, total gibberish in my opinion, but I do like Haney a lot, so I found much of it to be very entertaining in the way only his writing can be entertaining. Like watching a clown car catch fire and explode. Thanks for your thoughts. You were easier than me on the grades you gave. It's weird I liked Haney's Brave & Bold stuff but it baffles me how unlikeable the families are. And just how inane some of the plots were...
I also like how you explain the contrived situations so well. I get a headache trying to think of a way to summarize them.
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Post by robertf71114 on Aug 2, 2016 11:40:49 GMT -5
I was more of a Marvel fan anyway, but I did read some DC. However, whenever I saw these Super-Son covers, I literally didn't even look inside the books. When I first started reading comics, I read what I found out was an "imaginary story" and I felt cheated because I didn't see the point. So I definitely wasn't going to read Super-Sons. Sorry I missed the Dick Dillin art though.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 2, 2016 12:44:24 GMT -5
I was more of a Marvel fan anyway, but I did read some DC. However, whenever I saw these Super-Son covers, I literally didn't even look inside the books. When I first started reading comics, I read what I found out was an "imaginary story" and I felt cheated because I didn't see the point. So I definitely wasn't going to read Super-Sons. Sorry I missed the Dick Dillin art though. They're all imaginary stories.
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