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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 8, 2018 14:04:04 GMT -5
I really liked it actually. Well done!
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Post by comicsandwho on Oct 13, 2018 3:48:05 GMT -5
It was the most I've enjoyed an episode since...well, before Clara, at least.
It was just nice to have the show free of Moffat's incessant 'Moffat-isms'(nobody we met in this episode is 'the most important person who ever held the key to the survival of the universe blah blah blah...; I was so tired of the show trying to build everything up to 'epic' proportions, and then a weak ending).
And musically...Thank you, God, no more Murray Gold! Everything looked, and sounded 'new' and promising. JW didn't 'overdo' the 'confused after regeneration' bit, something that has been run into the ground since the '80s(Colin Baker's entire characterization was based on never 'snapping out of it.') The companions seem 'fun' without the potential to become more annoying than 'fun' in a while. And, uh, 'Tim Shaw' was a worthy opponent!
For the first time in a while, I'm looking forward to weekly journeys in the TARDIS...oops...
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 17, 2018 12:44:39 GMT -5
I was really surprised by the interior of the TARDIS, I was really expecting it to be brighter inside than it was but I did enjoy the very alien, almost organic look it had.
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Post by Jesse on Oct 17, 2018 16:13:44 GMT -5
"The Ghost Monument" {Spoiler}I liked how the Doctor defeated the Remnants by simply snapping her finger. I'm very curious who or what "The Timeless Child" is. Since the Stenza were name dropped again I'm assuming there will be an on going story arc where they pop up again. They sort of have a classic villain vibe while also being modern. The reappearance of the TARDIS was actually kind of touching. |
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Post by comicsandwho on Oct 17, 2018 21:00:58 GMT -5
I was really surprised by the interior of the TARDIS, I was really expecting it to be brighter inside than it was but I did enjoy the very alien, almost organic look it had. The control room was about the only thing I didn't like about the episode. It looked too much like 'subterranean caverns' in places, with a much too 'busy' look for the rest of the console room. I'd guess this will be temporary, and and as the Doctor(and the audience) learn more of what's 'missing' from her memory, something will happen to change the look once again. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 17, 2018 21:11:59 GMT -5
I was really surprised by the interior of the TARDIS, I was really expecting it to be brighter inside than it was but I did enjoy the very alien, almost organic look it had. The control room was about the only thing I didn't like about the episode. It looked too much like 'subterranean caverns' in places, with a much too 'busy' look for the rest of the console room. I'd guess this will be temporary, and and as the Doctor(and the audience) learn more of what's 'missing' from her memory, something will happen to change the look once again. I'm just going to chalk it up to poor lighting, the details we saw looked cool so I'm thinking when it's better lit and we really see it and the characters interacting with it more it'll turn out fine. |
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Post by comicsandwho on Oct 18, 2018 15:03:10 GMT -5
On another forum, a commenter said that they're probably keeping it 'in the dark' on purpose, to avoid showing where they probably 'cut corners' on set design.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 22, 2018 13:51:59 GMT -5
Man, historical episodes can be a bit of a toss up, but the latest episode, "Rosa" is squarely in the win column in my book. While the sci-fi elements were kept to a minimum(thankfully) the strong character work was able to carry the day by giving us a lot more insight into the companions and best of all the core story of Rosa Parks' struggle was not out shined. It was a lot of balls to juggle but they did it deftly.
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 22, 2018 15:09:08 GMT -5
For me I felt the opposite. I wanted to like it but while I hung in as long as I could through Rosa I bailed a little after MLK Jr. showed up. I didn't make it to the end. Not well written is my opinion. It could have been but they just beat the history lesson to such an obvious and cartoonish extreme, but mostly all the supposedly humorous getting the buses going and packed with people so history could happen was just way too silly for me. It also seemed like I was watching some other recent time travel U.S. series and not Doctor Who; chasing a meddler through historical moments, augh! I hope there are no more with that meddler in future, done to death elsewhere.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 22, 2018 15:32:45 GMT -5
For me I felt the opposite. I wanted to like it but while I hung in as long as I could through Rosa I bailed a little after MLK Jr. showed up. I didn't make it to the end. Not well written is my opinion. It could have been but they just beat the history lesson to such an obvious and cartoonish extreme, but mostly all the supposedly humorous getting the buses going and packed with people so history could happen was just way too silly for me. It also seemed like I was watching some other recent time travel U.S. series and not Doctor Who; chasing a meddler through historical moments, augh! I hope there are no more with that meddler in future, done to death elsewhere. To a certain extent they really had to pack in the history lesson here, the line about her being "the first black woman to drive a bus" is sadly pretty real even here is the states never mind abroad. |
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Post by comicsandwho on Oct 22, 2018 15:47:36 GMT -5
Haven't seen it yet, but I've seen some interesting 'mixed' reviews specifically about the plot, even if the consensus is that the dynamic among the four regulars has kind of invigorated the show. Anything 'cringeworthy' I should watch out for?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 22, 2018 16:14:13 GMT -5
Haven't seen it yet, but I've seen some interesting 'mixed' reviews specifically about the plot, even if the consensus is that the dynamic among the four regulars has kind of invigorated the show. Anything 'cringeworthy' I should watch out for? I think the only mixed reactions I've really seen come from those that think the show should only be a straight sci-fi actioner with the occasional bit of humor or romance thrown in. If you're just looking for good tv, then this is definitely it. |
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Post by comicsandwho on Oct 22, 2018 16:54:31 GMT -5
Was it ever 'straight sci-fi action'? All I know is, I'm enjoying the show again, after too many years of tolerating the writing/showrunning into the ground' of the 'modern' version.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 22, 2018 18:13:23 GMT -5
Was it ever 'straight sci-fi action'? All I know is, I'm enjoying the show again, after too many years of tolerating the writing/showrunning into the ground' of the 'modern' version. That's pretty much my response to the people who praise the acting and the way that it handled Parks' drama...but then say it wasn't proper Who because it wasn't a fun, cosmic space story. The latter seasons did favor fun, cosmic action more than anything else but that was never really the heart of the show so I'm confused when I see the mixed reactions from some who say the story didn't fit the show. |
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Post by comicsandwho on Oct 23, 2018 2:53:29 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure those critics never saw any of the 'historicals' from the early days of the 'classic' series, and are accustomed to the Davies/Moffat style of playing the historical figures more for laughs, or outlandish behavior(Dickens says 'What the Shakespeare?', Agatha Christie's 'disappearance' involves an alien, the Doctor marries Queen Elizabeth I, and she wants him beheaded later, the TARDIS 'Batphone' hotline connecting with Winston Churchill, etc,).
As for 'Rosa': Not bad, really, with some quibbles. The minor one was giving Rosa that old 'Brooklyn' accent "I've been woikin' hard', and so forth. Lazy research, and was kind of the 'needle scrataching the record' moment when it cropped up.
There was also too much time spent on James Blake, and ensuring that nothing regarding his 'role' was altered.
They could just as well have had the alien try to replace him, with the goal of destroying the bus. Speaking of the alien, his motive seemed to be very 'added on at the last minute', and the further contrivances to make him just 'mean' rather than violent, seemed to point to a bit of a conflict about how much of the episode should be 'historical' and how much should be 'sci fi action'.As a result. Martin Luther King's role was incidental, pretty much to the point of being a waste.
Ultimately, we learn what we already know from that episode about trying save Rose's father: You can't change history.(At least not now that Moffat isn't writing one of his 'blow up the universe, but hit the 'reset' button' type of endings).
And in the interest of historical accuracy, they should have included Rosa's actual response to Blake's orders to move: 'I am tired'.
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