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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 17, 2018 8:45:05 GMT -5
I love the way an emotionally tragic human story was used in "Demon in the Punjab." I wasn't expecting that.
Also liking Jodie quite a lot as the Doctor...
My only grouse with this season so far, no classics like the Daleks or Cybermen, and from what I understand they won't be appearing. And I'm yet to see any new adversaries that impress...nothing has beaten the Weeping Angels so far and creative really has to work on that.
Yea, this probably my favorite so far. About the only let down was that back story of the aliens was delivered in a big info dump rather than being something explored naturally.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 17, 2018 8:47:16 GMT -5
I love the way an emotionally tragic human story was used in "Demon in the Punjab." I wasn't expecting that. I didn't actually watch the episode because I'm not much of a Dr Who fan, but there's been a little bit of controversy over that storyline on this side of the Atlantic. I believe it played fast and loose with history, by suggesting or implying that the partitioning of India into India and Pakistan was the fault of the British. That's completely untrue: the British were totally opposed to dividing the country up in that way. It was the Indian Muslims -- principally their leader, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, who became the first governor of Pakistan -- that insisted on it. As the Raj came to an end and Britain prepared to hand India back to its people, the British knew that partition would cause a huge humanitarian crisis and unnecessary bloodshed...and that's exactly what happened. They resisted and fought against partition, but Jinnah was adamant about the creation of the Muslim state of Pakistan. Many high profile Indias, such as Nehru and Gandhi, we're also against partition. I never knew that, I always assumed it was the UK, simmilar to how it was western powers who divvied up the Turkish Empire after WWI.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 17, 2018 10:42:52 GMT -5
I didn't actually watch the episode because I'm not much of a Dr Who fan, but there's been a little bit of controversy over that storyline on this side of the Atlantic. I believe it played fast and loose with history, by suggesting or implying that the partitioning of India into India and Pakistan was the fault of the British. That's completely untrue: the British were totally opposed to dividing the country up in that way. It was the Indian Muslims -- principally their leader, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, who became the first governor of Pakistan -- that insisted on it. As the Raj came to an end and Britain prepared to hand India back to its people, the British knew that partition would cause a huge humanitarian crisis and unnecessary bloodshed...and that's exactly what happened. They resisted and fought against partition, but Jinnah was adamant about the creation of the Muslim state of Pakistan. Many high profile Indias, such as Nehru and Gandhi, we're also against partition. I never knew that, I always assumed it was the UK, simmilar to how it was western powers who divvied up the Turkish Empire after WWI. Well, I'm no expert on the matter -- the partition of India is a hugely complex issue -- but I do know the basics, and that is that Jinnah, who was the popular leader of the Indian Muslim league, was adamant that Muslims in the Indian subcontinent should get their own state. In the elections immediately after the end of WW2, the Muslim League won the majority of Muslim seats, giving them the political clout to push for Jinnah's dream. When negotiations for the ending of the British Raj and Indian independence began, the Indian Congress and the Muslim League couldn't agree on a power-sharing deal for the country...mostly due to Jinnah's hardline beliefs and unwillingness to compromise. Jawaharlal Nehru, Gandhi and the English Viceroy of India, Lord Louis Mountbatten, were all utterly opposed to the breaking up of the country. But although they tried their hardest to avoid it, they reluctantly came to realise that Jinnah and the Muslim League were immovable on the matter. So, reluctantly, partitioning was the only option. I always felt particularly sorry for Mountbatten; he was quite a moderate among the British and certainly a humanitarian. It was his job to oversee the handing back of the subcontinent and, as it turned out, the dividing up of the country into Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan. It's a shame because he was utterly opposed to partition and ultimately the whole process bore his name, as The Mountbatten Plan. He always felt ashamed of that, apparently, and as I say, it was never something he wanted. There's plenty of legitimate criticisms to level at the British Empire in India, without rewriting history to insinuate that partition was the British's idea.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 19, 2018 12:39:18 GMT -5
I didn't understand one thing about last night's episode, Kerblam... why did the employees have to be killed by the bubblewrap one by one over a period of time? Was he trying to perfect it or something... very... slow l y ? Doc needs to tone the childlike enthusiasm down a notch sometimes, could start to get irritating. Big deal, a robot with a box, what's to 'love' about them? Maybe they could've made them cute somehow like the matter eater space gremlin, but they looked menacing like the Autons to me from the start.
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Post by comicsandwho on Nov 19, 2018 13:46:15 GMT -5
It seems that after the 'hard-ass old goat who redeemed himself into a jolly old man' characterization of Capaldi, they've decided to have JW play the Doctor as some hybrid of David Tennant and Matt Smith's 'childlike giddiness', and I've also seen some make comparisons to Davison, for this Doctor's moments of 'adult' clarity. That 'Tsuranga Conundrum' one seemed to return to the 'let's run through corridors on a spaceship and SHOUT!' era of exposition...and that's made me wary about watching this episode, which seems a bit 'bad Colin Baker' in tone, based on the 'Children in Need' clip I saw on Youtube.
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Post by comicsandwho on Nov 19, 2018 13:49:33 GMT -5
I didn't actually watch the episode because I'm not much of a Dr Who fan, but there's been a little bit of controversy over that storyline on this side of the Atlantic.
One complaint I've been hearing about the series so far, it makes the white male look bad. Except in Punjab, there are zero white male antagonists, and the real demons are the ideological nutjobs who are prepared to do anything for the demarcation line that separates their 'new' state (Pakistan). Including kill their own family members.
The new series IS different...but I think the attempt to make it more PC is stepping on toes.
I'll be watching the new episode on BBC America in a couple of hours.
The 'unseen but heard' character/'white guy' who was blamed for partition was Lord Mountbatten(although that's an oversimplification).
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 19, 2018 14:51:26 GMT -5
There are now some fairly strong rumours going around that both Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker will be leaving after the next series. Supposedly, Chibnall isn't happy with his workload or with the fact that the BBC want a full series every year.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 19, 2018 15:42:50 GMT -5
There are now some fairly strong rumours going around that both Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker will be leaving after the next series. Supposedly, Chibnall isn't happy with his workload or with the fact that the BBC want a full series every year. Ooh, weak as water, to quote Mrs. Slocombe, weak as water. How would they've coped in 1963? Colin B. was quoted as saying he was willing to set a record for years back in the '80s and Tom B. had done seven!
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Post by brutalis on Nov 19, 2018 15:51:53 GMT -5
How exactly do you sign on to what everyone knows is a yearly series (for the most part) and then dare to complain about the workload? Did some folks not do their research properly before hand?!?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 19, 2018 16:21:01 GMT -5
There are now some fairly strong rumours going around that both Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker will be leaving after the next series. Supposedly, Chibnall isn't happy with his workload or with the fact that the BBC want a full series every year. I'll be sad to see Jodie go, but Chibnall really hasn't wowed me so no loss there.
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Post by spoon on Nov 20, 2018 1:27:58 GMT -5
How exactly do you sign on to what everyone knows is a yearly series (for the most part) and then dare to complain about the workload? Did some folks not do their research properly before hand?!? It has been a bit of a mixed bag with scheduling though. New Who started with four seasons/series over a four year period between Eccleston and Tennant. But then Tennant ended with a handful of specials over a period of a year and a half. Smith started with two series in two years, but then his third series was split over two calendar years. And Capaldi had two series over two years, before taking a year off before his final season. So if Chibnall and Whittaker wanted to do, for example, half a series in 2020 and the other half of the series in 2021, that wouldn't really be a departure from how things have been with New Who. I'm just glad to read (in the Wikipedia article), that Jodie second series/season has started production and will air in 2019. I remember somehow upthread passing along a rumor that there wouldn't even be a season in 2019. That would've been a bit much. I wish they could work something out. Or maybe a new showrunner could agree to do a third season with Jodie. Because if Jodie's total episode count (including specials) only ends up at 21 or 22, she may not leave her stamp as much as the last three Doctors.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 20, 2018 4:01:25 GMT -5
How exactly do you sign on to what everyone knows is a yearly series (for the most part) and then dare to complain about the workload? Did some folks not do their research properly before hand?!? It has been a bit of a mixed bag with scheduling though. New Who started with four seasons/series over a four year period between Eccleston and Tennant. But then Tennant ended with a handful of specials over a period of a year and a half. Smith started with two series in two years, but then his third series was split over two calendar years. And Capaldi had two series over two years, before taking a year off before his final season. So if Chibnall and Whittaker wanted to do, for example, half a series in 2020 and the other half of the series in 2021, that wouldn't really be a departure from how things have been with New Who. I'm just glad to read (in the Wikipedia article), that Jodie second series/season has started production and will air in 2019. I remember somehow upthread passing along a rumor that there wouldn't even be a season in 2019. That would've been a bit much. I wish they could work something out. Or maybe a new showrunner could agree to do a third season with Jodie. Because if Jodie's total episode count (including specials) only ends up at 21 or 22, she may not leave her stamp as much as the last three Doctors. It's also being rumoured that the 2019 series will be only about six episodes, but that Chibnall may be pushed to make another four for 2020 if they can't find a new showrunner in time. And apparently, if he does go, Whittaker is expected to go with him as it has been suggested a full series is too much pressure for her to juggle with the demands of being a young mother.
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Post by comicsandwho on Nov 20, 2018 4:04:06 GMT -5
Good grief, more 'show-runner drama'? it seems like, where 'Doctor Who' is concerned, 'show-running' means 'run the show into the ground', or 'run FROM the show'. Can't they change show-runners(I'm tired of typing that expression now) without changing Doctors? I was fed up with Moffat trying to 'work out his issues' by taking a year off from 'Doctor Who' and putting on PJs because it was SO hard to work on that and 'Sherlock' in the same year. If Chibnall is pulling the same nonsense, then the alternatives are, find someone who isn't so 'fragile' to run it, or else...er...'Kerblam!' Speaking of which, despite some rather cartoonish moments that were 'conveyed'(see what I did there?) at certain times, it wasn't a bad episode. Likeable guest characters in an 'alien' setting, for a change. And, also for a change, we actually find out what happens to the 'baddie'. On a more worrisome note, the TV audience has continued to drop each week, with this one falling just below 6 million viewers. Some of that was due to, yes, scheduling, as the episode aird a half hour earlier than normal, to make room for a documentary, which drew a slightly larger audience. It will be interesting to see the trend for th last three weeks. Since audiences haven't taken to the more 'science fiction-oriented' episodes as much as they have to the historical dramas...and since it appears that there will be no sign of any monsters/villains from previous series, there may not be anything really 'eventful' to prop up the numbers. With any luck, no more 'special one-off' schedule changes, and they can come up with something with a bit more 'oomph' to finish the season.
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Post by String on Nov 24, 2018 15:40:03 GMT -5
This season (so far) has been completely different from anything before, to me. No classic monsters or enemies, no dire world or universal threat, just a Doctor and her friends traveling about.
I've been slowly warming towards Jodie as the Doctor, there's been hints and glimpses of what her Doctor could become but if that rumor is true about Chibnall leaving soon with her in tow, then that would be a loss for I think she's brought a different type of energy to the character (beyond mere gender swapping, that is).
For me, so far, Graham is the highlight of the show, a real sort of Every Man caught up in crazy situations that he may not (or never) fully understand. Overall though, I think the acting by all (regular cast and guest stars) have been good and steadily improving.
My biggest nitpick is the Tardis control room, it looks cheap and wonky. And yes, how the console's rotor is arranged, it's movement as seen against those surrounding crystal pillars (or whatever they're supposed to be), it all looks rather phallic to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 22:15:43 GMT -5
Tom Baker himself is novelizing his Doctor Who Meets Scratchman screenplay.
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