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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 30, 2016 16:13:20 GMT -5
FWIW, I always thought that in DC's Silver Age, that in the JLA it was pretty clear that the second-tier B-listers were Hawkman, Atom, Aquaman, GA and jJonn J'onzz.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 20:45:00 GMT -5
Golden Age: (DC)Hourman, Dr Mid-Nite. (Marvel)The Angel. (Fawcett)Bulletman.
Silver Age: (DC)Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Atom. (Marvel)Ant-Man/Giant Man.
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Post by berkley on Jul 30, 2016 22:04:10 GMT -5
Pretty much all my favourite characters would be considered B-stringers, with the possible exception of the Kirby/Lee Thor and FF, but even then it's more the series as a whole than the lead characters themselves that was the prime attraction for me.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 30, 2016 23:02:25 GMT -5
I remember John Bryne saying he wanted to do Iron Man because he thought he was the best of the second tier characters. I was surprised, I never considered him second tier.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 5:11:28 GMT -5
Jonn Jonzz - The Martian Manhunter a 2nd Tier Character - the Soul of the Justice League of America and pretty much a member on every team except New 52 of where they replaced him with Cyborg, I read all the posts and I'm SHOCKED to read this ... He is the member of the Original Justice League of the America and I consider all of them 1st Class Heroes including Aquaman! .jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100310031005) No 2nd Stringers here ... all of them 1st Class Heroes and Heroines! |
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 31, 2016 13:51:14 GMT -5
I agree with you MG !
Back in the 90's I took her son out as Captain America, before the Cap movie, and only a couple people knew who that was !
I'd now say that Cap is an A-lister, factoring in the public's recognition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 17:30:32 GMT -5
I remember John Bryne saying he wanted to do Iron Man because he thought he was the best of the second tier characters. I was surprised, I never considered him second tier. I did too, and I was utterly speechless beyond the doubt that the great John Bryne ever said that and calling IRON MAN a best of the SECOND TIER character is got to be the most dumbfounded statement from him that I can ever think of. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 1, 2016 8:36:43 GMT -5
Classic Yondu had such a stylish and unique look about him that would translate well and show his being an alien and yet humanoid and recognizable in a movie. If you like a character enough to want to use him in a movie why change him so much? Just to use the name as a recognition factor so comic book readers watching will go ooooh aaahhhh is stupid. That was the 70's 80's and 90's when comic properties were bought and butchered and kept little to nothing of the comic in the movie. Goes the same with all the "tweaks" to make something look more stylish just because it is a big budget movie. Screw that: put the X-Men into costumes. Christopher Reeve showed he was Super, not the damn suit! Give me primitive Yondu the bow man and his outstanding dorsal fin and i would be ecstatic. Before not knowing Marvel did what they did in the comics that they did in the movie, I felt like it was an attempt to grab a familiar (at least to long time comic readers) name even if the characterization was off. But since they did do it before the movie, I guess it's less of that, and just a bad change of the character period. I would say the same of Drax, overall, but that 2004 Drax mini series was awesome. I'd like ole Drax back, but I can get use to the new one. |
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Post by brutalis on Aug 1, 2016 11:00:20 GMT -5
That is the fun of second stringers in that over time they may become huge successes and then suddenly within a few years time they are not seen or seldom seen and become the lower tier hero's and villian's. All it requires is to currently not be in fad with readers and they go the way of the dinosaur's almost instantly or a writer who loved them revives them and suddenly they are the hottest character in town. The Big Red Cheese's time was long ago to most readers and only know him as part time Justice League associate or an also ran Superman rip off which he isn't. Hawkeye never had a series until Gruenwald loved him enough to write a mini series and now with exposure in the Avenger's movies he is a recognizable headliner in the public eye.
Any B-Lister can be an A-lister with the right amount of love!!!
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Post by Mormel on Aug 1, 2016 16:22:13 GMT -5
My first exposure to Stingray was in the '90s Iron Man cartoon's adaptation of 'Stark Wars'. I thought his visual was just so appealing, with the ray-wings/fins running from his hands to his feet, the arrow mask, and the white and red colour scheme. When I later read some of his appearances in Avengers and Iron Man, I thought he was pretty cool, even if most of the time he's standing on the sidelines or gets bopped around by a villain.
Other Avengers affiliates who aren't usually front-and-center, but who I'm fond of nevertheless, include Jocasta and Marrina. I felt so sad for Marrina when she during her short stint on the Avengers. She did come back later as a member of a new incarnation of her old team Alpha Flight, so hurrah for her!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 1, 2016 16:34:24 GMT -5
Since it seems, everyone has posted heroes or protagonist, is second stringer a applicable label for villains and antagonists too?
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Post by brutalis on Aug 1, 2016 16:52:41 GMT -5
Of course villainy can goes up and down the scale. They can't all be the Super-villain of the month! Spidey alone has loads of A B C and D list villains. The Ringer anyone? Hypno Hustler? The Gibbon? The White Dragon? Rocket Racer? Every hero and team has the B list to fill out their time when not facing the big shot villains when they have been caught and sent to jail/prison momentarily.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 1, 2016 19:00:17 GMT -5
Since it seems, everyone has posted heroes or protagonist, is second stringer a applicable label for villains and antagonists too? I give you virtually any Blackhawk villain, for example... The Buzzard, the Eel, and the Owl. How could I have forgotten the Chameleon?  BTW, all of these "arch-foes" were making their first and only appearances. |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 1, 2016 19:37:29 GMT -5
Hal, I would argue that's unnecessarily painful.
Ouch !
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Post by foxley on Aug 1, 2016 19:48:40 GMT -5
Since it seems, everyone has posted heroes or protagonist, is second stringer a applicable label for villains and antagonists too? I give you virtually any Blackhawk villain, for example... The Buzzard, the Eel, and the Owl. Arch-foes may be putting it a little strongly.  It's like an off-brand version of the Terrible Trio (who, incidentally, were awesome B-list villains). |
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