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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 10:06:29 GMT -5
Anyone else watching The Orville? My god, I'm addicted. While the scripts aren't quite up to Trek standards, the feel/aesthetic of the series is 100% TNG, the scripts balance comedy and serious sci-fi concepts really well, a lot of veteran Trek people are involved, and I've just come to like the cast a whole lot. Sure, it's played for laughs a whole lot, but the other elements that make Trek great are all there and, if we're judging The Orville's first season against the first seasons of Next Gen and DS9, it might even be considered superior to them in its execution. On the other hand, I haven't been able to make myself watch Discovery yet. It sounds like an extreme departure, whereas The Orville feels like a loving continuation of TNG, albeit with a crew of everymen and everywomen who make 2017 pop culture references. My friend suggested it and I'm already hooked on it - based on the summation that you've gave to us. I really enjoyed the humor and photography of this show. It's a winner by my standards ... |
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Post by rom on Jan 16, 2018 15:18:00 GMT -5
Haven't seen an episode of ST: Discovery or The Orville yet, but am interesting in seeing both at some point.
I guess I would consider myself a mild Trekkie. I did see almost all the episodes of the Classic TV series (1966 - 1969), and did see the first couple of seasons of TNG. And, I've seen most of the ST feature films. However, I never watched Voyager or Deep Space Nine.
I did really get into Star Trek: Enterprise (2001 - 2005); I never saw this when it was on TV, but did catch the entire series when it hit DVD. This is actually the only ST series in which I've seen every episode.
It was interesting how this took place in the early days of space travel, and that Earth's post-apocalyptic event(s) were in the somewhat recent past at that point (this was also seen in the feature film ST: First Contact (1996) ). I also liked the homages to the Classic series, i.e. seeing aliens like The Andorians, etc.
The only episode of Enterprise I didn't like was the finale. I never really cared for TNG, so didn't like seeing those characters in Enterprise.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 16, 2018 16:07:36 GMT -5
Haven't seen an episode of ST: Discovery or The Orville yet, but am interesting in seeing both at some point.
I guess I would consider myself a mild Trekkie. I did see almost all the episodes of the Classic TV series (1966 - 1969), and did see the first couple of seasons of TNG. And, I've seen most of the ST feature films. However, I never watched Voyager or Deep Space Nine.
I did really get into Star Trek: Enterprise (2001 - 2005); I never saw this when it was on TV, but did catch the entire series when it hit DVD. This is actually the only ST series in which I've seen every episode.
It was interesting how this took place in the early days of space travel, and that Earth's post-apocalyptic event(s) were in the somewhat recent past at that point (this was also seen in the feature film ST: First Contact (1996) ). I also liked the homages to the Classic series, i.e. seeing aliens like The Andorians, etc.
The only episode of Enterprise I didn't like was the finale. I never really cared for TNG, so didn't like seeing those characters in Enterprise.
Enterprise is definitely one of my favorite runs of Trek, it may not be popular with others but I enjoyed it. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 18, 2018 11:58:09 GMT -5
For your consideration, an observation I made while discussing the new show with a friend that may be of interest to those of you who haven't caught Discovery yet:
Yes, Discovery is wildly different than any other past iteration of the program, but that difference isn't really in tone or subject matter but in the method of storytelling. Every single other version of Star Trek was completely episodic; aside from a few two parters here and there every episode told a single, self contained story that began and ended during that episode's running time. Now there was some experimentation with this in DS9 and the third season of Enterprise where there was a larger story that linked the episodes, but even then although there was an over arching plot each episode still stood on its own with a self contained beginning, middle and end that left you feeling cathartic. However that method of storytelling was completely abandoned by the people in charge of Discovery in favor of the newer, more character driven serialized storytelling method that has really taken television by storm lately. Instead of single episodes with their own self contained plots we see a broader story broken down into individual chapters that are linked together more by the emotional developments of the characters than plot points.
To some that focus on character development over plot may be too alien to enjoy; but for me I really enjoyed seeing Michael Burnham, Saru and Tilly develop as people and I'm interested to see where things go next.
Now, after having watched the whole first season, I do have some reservations; with my largest being that I don't think putting this show behind a pay wall was the way to go. I understand the business reasons for doing it, that more and more producers are seeing these specific digital services as the future and using Star Trek as their tent pole to attract a market towards their streaming service certainly makes sense(and according to what's been released, was wildly successful) but with the way the show was made more inclusive I do wonder if it may have done better with a wider release on regular television. Now there's a lot here to like for old fans of Star Trek like us, but in many ways the impetus here seemed to be to make a Star Trek show that reached a larger audience than before but you're not going to get that audience if they have to go looking for the show behind a pay wall. So while it makes sense to use Discovery to get people to sign up for their new streaming service as it appeals to an existing fan base, it's counter-intuitive to the over all thrust of the show; which is a shame.
Secondly, and although I've defended the look in the past, I'm not sure what the purpose of redesigning the Klingons was. I don't hate the look( I actually think it looks pretty cool) and it's not as if the Klingons don't have a history of changing both their culture and look from era to era but I'm not really sure what's gained here. Especially with the Andorians and the Tellarites basically looking the same I really wonder what the thought process of the newest revamping of the Klingons was. It doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the show but it does come across as arbitrary and it's something that's needlessly alienated a part of the fanbase which is usually not something you want to do with out good reason.
But all in all I really liked what I saw and I'm hoping the next season is just as good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 21:15:29 GMT -5
They released a bonus scene at Wondercon from the Season Finale of Discovery:
Interesting stuff. Wonder if it'll play out in Season 2.
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Post by String on Mar 30, 2018 17:53:27 GMT -5
Haven't seen an episode of ST: Discovery or The Orville yet, but am interesting in seeing both at some point.
I guess I would consider myself a mild Trekkie. I did see almost all the episodes of the Classic TV series (1966 - 1969), and did see the first couple of seasons of TNG. And, I've seen most of the ST feature films. However, I never watched Voyager or Deep Space Nine.
I did really get into Star Trek: Enterprise (2001 - 2005); I never saw this when it was on TV, but did catch the entire series when it hit DVD. This is actually the only ST series in which I've seen every episode.
It was interesting how this took place in the early days of space travel, and that Earth's post-apocalyptic event(s) were in the somewhat recent past at that point (this was also seen in the feature film ST: First Contact (1996) ). I also liked the homages to the Classic series, i.e. seeing aliens like The Andorians, etc.
The only episode of Enterprise I didn't like was the finale. I never really cared for TNG, so didn't like seeing those characters in Enterprise.
Enterprise is definitely one of my favorite runs of Trek, it may not be popular with others but I enjoyed it. I loved Enterprise. The early look at the tension and frictions between Vulcan and Andor, the Temporal Cold War, the Xindi war season, and the final season that really started to delve into Trek history proper. I would've loved to have seen how they would have done the Earth-Romulan War. But noooo, Rick Berman will forever be burned in effigy for the disgraceful series finale which undermined the whole series. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 30, 2018 19:14:06 GMT -5
They released a bonus scene at Wondercon from the Season Finale of Discovery: Interesting stuff. Wonder if it'll play out in Season 2. It looks like an interesting plot development, I always enjoyed the section 31 episodes. |
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Post by rom on Apr 8, 2018 11:14:48 GMT -5
Enterprise is definitely one of my favorite runs of Trek, it may not be popular with others but I enjoyed it. I loved Enterprise. The early look at the tension and frictions between Vulcan and Andor, the Temporal Cold War, the Xindi war season, and the final season that really started to delve into Trek history proper. I would've loved to have seen how they would have done the Earth-Romulan War. But noooo, Rick Berman will forever be burned in effigy for the disgraceful series finale which undermined the whole series. Yes, while the Enterprise series was - overall - brilliant, the Enterprise finale was a pile of steaming crap - it's the only episode I didn't like. It would have been acceptable if not for the TNG characters & the fact that they were watching the entire storyline from the holodeck - sure, it could have been a better story but wasn't terrible. I disliked TNG, and also it would have been a lot easier & made a lot more sense to just have had the episode stand on it's own without the inclusion of the TNG characters. I don't understand why this couldn't have just been run as a regular episode - it would have served as a great swan song to the series. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 9, 2018 20:18:10 GMT -5
Discovery has cast it's Captain Pike in Anson Mount, and I have to say he looks perfect.  It makes me wonder who they'll cast for Spock. |
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Post by String on Aug 5, 2018 10:32:54 GMT -5
It was announced yesterday via ST.com's Twitter account and his own account that Sir Patrick Stewart is set to reprise his role as Picard in an upcoming new Trek series on the CBS All-Access service that will apparently focus on the next phase of Picard's life and career.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 5, 2018 11:45:37 GMT -5
It was announced yesterday via ST.com's Twitter account and his own account that Sir Patrick Stewart is set to reprise his role as Picard in an upcoming new Trek series on the CBS All-Access service that will apparently focus on the next phase of Picard's life and career. Hmm, shades of Old Man Picard perhaps? |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 15, 2018 9:17:30 GMT -5
I love the trailer for the new season, looks like things are really shaping up: And while his only credential of real note is being Gregory Peck's grandson, Ethan Peck certainly has the look for Spock so hopefully he'll turn out well.  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 21, 2018 9:55:42 GMT -5
It looks like we're soon going to be getting a series of four 20 min. mini-episodes in All Access leading up to the season opener next year. I can't wait for this to come back, the first season was fantastic. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 17:01:25 GMT -5
They dropped a NYCC trailer for Season 2:
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 6, 2018 18:20:03 GMT -5
They dropped a NYCC trailer for Season 2: That looks excellent, and Peck looked pretty good as Spock. |
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