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Post by brutalis on Dec 13, 2020 10:48:22 GMT -5
[/quote]Good points, buddy.
Can I say that while I did enjoy some of what I’ve seen of DISCOVERY (season one only so far), it seems a little too self-aware. I mean, did anyone really lobby for all that House of Klingon stuff, which, if I’m honest, bores me?[/quote]
I have been recording season 1 this fall since CBS has run it with Covid leaving television stations without enough series to run. I will watch it once the season is over (2-3 more I think) just to say I did see it. I know the effects are great but other than that I don't have high hopes. I will consider it as a science fiction show and put aside the bastardized viewpoint of Trek so that I can try to judge the other aspects found in the series.
But how much do have to ignore is the entire issue. Ugly starships (Trek had some of the coolest looking ships EVER), generic fugly NOT Klingon"s, stupid Spock step-sis human wanna be but not good enough to be Vulcan. Some weird space jump trans-warping thing trying to replace Warp Speed. Aliens idiotic enough for burning live fires in a starship generated atmosphere. More Mirror Universe characters when TOS was the 1st to find a way for crossing and introduced it. Set shields to IGNORE indeed...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 1, 2021 18:34:12 GMT -5
Given that it's the holidays and all, I wondered "what harm could there be in rewatching a DS9 episode"?
Are you kidding???
I'm now trapped binge-watching the whole thing! It has aged so well that I can hardly believe it! From the wonderfully genuine, non-virtue signaling message of diversity to the development of endearing characters by way of a groovy war story, that show is every bit as good as I remembered!
It's clear I'll be stuck until I've seen the whole thing, but I regret nothing!
I even had my heart broken a little when I realized how Dax looked like my late sister in the episode Change of Heart. That was somehow fitting for the new year... lest old acquaintance be forgot and all that.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 2, 2021 20:21:09 GMT -5
Got the first season of Discovery out of the library... wanted the first 2 eps so far.. wife wants to watch it too, so might be slow. Not bad.. I'm not sure we needed another Klingon redesign, but I'm at least a bit interested so far  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 5, 2021 0:15:20 GMT -5
Watched the next 2 episodes... while I'm still willing to keep watching, I have some serious issues. This is not the Starfleet I know...if you have a trial and send someone to life in prison, you do change your mind 6 months later. They COULD have had a trial and pointed out the Captain forgave her and gone that route, which would have made at least a little sense.
Then there's the magic transporter fungus, that apparently needs a space sand worm to work? I like Star Trek because it at least try to pretend to use real science.. this is just nonsense. And clearly something bad will happen to it, since they don't have it 10 years later. If you want to tell a Star Trek stoyr with crazy new tech, set in 100 years in the FUTURE, not the PAST.
There's also ALOT of plot holes... like if Discovery is intended to be a one man ambush, why do they not have marines and, you know, people on the bridge staff good at combat? Also, if the tech is so great, why is it only in 1 ship? Not to mention the fact that instanteous travel is only a brilliant war strategy the FIRST time... once the enemy knows it exists, the surprise is lost. Sure, you can pile on easy, but that just changes ones strategy, it's not nearly as important as they make it out.
I also saw in a couple places they do the mirror universe... why, oh why, when you do a cool thing, does it have to get driven into the ground until it's not cool anymore?? Not looking forward to that at all.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 5, 2021 10:07:28 GMT -5
Watched the next 2 episodes... while I'm still willing to keep watching, I have some serious issues. This is not the Starfleet I know...if you have a trial and send someone to life in prison, you do change your mind 6 months later. They COULD have had a trial and pointed out the Captain forgave her and gone that route, which would have made at least a little sense. Then there's the magic transporter fungus, that apparently needs a space sand worm to work? I like Star Trek because it at least try to pretend to use real science.. this is just nonsense. And clearly something bad will happen to it, since they don't have it 10 years later. If you want to tell a Star Trek stoyr with crazy new tech, set in 100 years in the FUTURE, not the PAST. There's also ALOT of plot holes... like if Discovery is intended to be a one man ambush, why do they not have marines and, you know, people on the bridge staff good at combat? Also, if the tech is so great, why is it only in 1 ship? Not to mention the fact that instanteous travel is only a brilliant war strategy the FIRST time... once the enemy knows it exists, the surprise is lost. Sure, you can pile on easy, but that just changes ones strategy, it's not nearly as important as they make it out. I also saw in a couple places they do the mirror universe... why, oh why, when you do a cool thing, does it have to get driven into the ground until it's not cool anymore?? Not looking forward to that at all. The questions about why the tech isn't used in the trek we know are answered later on, but as to why it's only on one ship and there aren't any marines or people good at combat the answer is much sooner, in fact I think it was answered in the third or fourth episode: it's a science vessel testing out new tech that star fleet doesn't really think can work. |
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Post by Randle-El on Jan 6, 2021 10:35:31 GMT -5
Given that it's the holidays and all, I wondered "what harm could there be in rewatching a DS9 episode"? Are you kidding??? I'm now trapped binge-watching the whole thing! It has aged so well that I can hardly believe it! From the wonderfully genuine, non-virtue signaling message of diversity to the development of endearing characters by way of a groovy war story, that show is every bit as good as I remembered! It's clear I'll be stuck until I've seen the whole thing, but I regret nothing! I even had my heart broken a little when I realized how Dax looked like my late sister in the episode Change of Heart. That was somehow fitting for the new year... lest old acquaintance be forgot and all that.
DS9 was ahead of its time. Lost popularized the ensemble-cast, mythology-heavy, serialized drama format that has since become the blueprint for TV, but DS9 was doing it at least 10 years before Lost hit the air.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2021 21:11:05 GMT -5
Watch a few more eps of Discovery...the Mirror Universe, really? Unless they never come back (which my wife is thinking will happen), how can that be? What didn't Kirk and Spock know about it? I HATE when they do that.... but I'll try to get over it. At least using Harry Mudd didn't muck anything up. There were a few other things, too, but I'll spare you.
There's been several other plot points that really didn't make much sense, too (foremost, why didn't someone else run the spore drive for a while?), but overall the stories are decent (I liked the episode on Pavho the best so far... felt the most like Trek), but not nearly as good as past Trek.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 12, 2021 14:51:50 GMT -5
Watch a few more eps of Discovery...the Mirror Universe, really? Unless they never come back (which my wife is thinking will happen), how can that be? What didn't Kirk and Spock know about it? I HATE when they do that.... but I'll try to get over it. At least using Harry Mudd didn't muck anything up. There were a few other things, too, but I'll spare you. There's been several other plot points that really didn't make much sense, too (foremost, why didn't someone else run the spore drive for a while?), but overall the stories are decent (I liked the episode on Pavho the best so far... felt the most like Trek), but not nearly as good as past Trek. I hate when they do that in prequels, too. It would be like having the Ferengi, the Romulans or the Borg featured in Enterprise. (I'm afraid to Google it... the show probably used them, if I know Hollywood). I've only seen one half of the Discovery pilot (the one that was aired for free) and a few sequences from the first season on Youtube; it didn't look bad as far as space war shows go, but it felt much more like Honor Harrington that Star Trek. I didn't see Picard either, but irrespective of its intrinsic qualities that show tells a story I'd actually be interested in: what happened after TNG and DS9 ended. I don't much care about retcons of the earlier days of the Federation. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jan 12, 2021 15:43:38 GMT -5
(...) It would be like having the Ferengi, the Romulans or the Borg featured in Enterprise. (I'm afraid to Google it... the show probably used them, if I know Hollywood). (...) *heavy sigh* Yep. It's one of a whole list of reasons why I hated Enterprise. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 13, 2021 0:20:07 GMT -5
At least with Enterprise they tried to justify it (if badly)... it was almost funny.
Good call likening Discovery to Honor Harrington (at least the first few episodes).. the first 1/2 of the season fits in there better for sure. I thought the Pavho two-parter was legit Trek.. and not we have nonsense in the Mirror Universe that feels like bad fan fic. Maybe they'll do something exciting and interesting at by the end, but so far I'm not excited for season 2.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 13, 2021 7:46:48 GMT -5
At least with Enterprise they tried to justify it (if badly)... it was almost funny. Good call likening Discovery to Honor Harrington (at least the first few episodes).. the first 1/2 of the season fits in there better for sure. I thought the Pavho two-parter was legit Trek.. and not we have nonsense in the Mirror Universe that feels like bad fan fic. Maybe they'll do something exciting and interesting at by the end, but so far I'm not excited for season 2. Yeah the mirror universe part of the first season was a real head scratcher, but season 2 with pike and Spock is amazing pretty much through and through. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 13, 2021 22:21:10 GMT -5
That is tempting.... we'll see how bad Season 1 gets  |
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Post by Randle-El on Jan 14, 2021 16:30:39 GMT -5
My take on Discovery -- don't treat it like a true prequel. Just think of it as an alternate universe version of what happened in the years before TOS so you don't have to think too hard about how it does or doesn't contradict established stories and you'll probably get more enjoyment out of it. Worked for me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 14, 2021 21:44:01 GMT -5
My take on Discovery -- don't treat it like a true prequel. Just think of it as an alternate universe version of what happened in the years before TOS so you don't have to think too hard about how it does or doesn't contradict established stories and you'll probably get more enjoyment out of it. Worked for me. That worked for me for the Mandalorian, but Trek seems like is should be consistent to me. Honestly, it's not just that, though. It's too dark for Star Trek. |
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Post by Randle-El on Jan 14, 2021 23:05:26 GMT -5
My take on Discovery -- don't treat it like a true prequel. Just think of it as an alternate universe version of what happened in the years before TOS so you don't have to think too hard about how it does or doesn't contradict established stories and you'll probably get more enjoyment out of it. Worked for me. That worked for me for the Mandalorian, but Trek seems like is should be consistent to me. Honestly, it's not just that, though. It's too dark for Star Trek.
You're not entirely wrong. But I get the sense that the writers of the show are trying to convey the optimism and hopeful tone of Star Trek via the long game. It reaches that tone towards the end of the first season.
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