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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 2, 2022 17:07:41 GMT -5
It's more about the plot and action than the costumes and tech... it doesn't even come close to lining up. Discovery isn't a bad show (it started pretty weakly, but found it's stride eventually), but this is why these properties need to stop revisiting the past and move forward.
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Post by berkley on Jan 2, 2022 17:22:13 GMT -5
I REALLY wanted to like Voyager, but it was just terrible, IMO. DS9 I've tried 4 times to get to what you guys say is the 'good' part... I just haven't been able to wade through the drek to get there. I'd say I liked Enterprise better than both of them. I've never been one to care about a diverse cast, and for Trek inparticular, the whole point is that stuff doesn't matter anymore. Discovery was decent once it found it's stride, but it's clearly an alternate universe. It simply doesn't fit with the others. Also TOO MUCH MIRROR UNIVERSE. It was great for that one episode, and it was fine to see the other cast check it out, but its really overdone by this point. (only the 1st two seasons, no idea what the new far future set up is like yet). I thought Picard was pretty good... a few things I really liked, a few I didn't, but it was a good move forward. Eh, it's not an alternate universe. People just have to accept that the original series went off the air nearly fifty years ago and that it's look is very much a product of its time. I love it, don't get me wrong, and the deficiencies never pull me out when I'm watching it and I appreciate that they were doing the best they could with what they had to deliver a look into what they thought the future would look like...but the future understandably looks different now. In 1966 the world's most powerful computer took up nearly a whole floor of Columbia University, so that the Enterprise's computer was just a few wardrobe size machines was definitely presenting something cutting edge to the audience of the era...but in 2021 I have a computer with ten times the processing power of the IBM 91...and it fits in my pocket...so the Enterprise's computer brain isn't that fantastic any more as miniaturization has out paced the imagination of the writers in 1966. On top of that reel to reel memory isn't a thing anymore and neither are analog toggles, buttons or switches and the over all look and design of furniture and clothing have progressed beyond that 60's mod style. Again, I love the boots and groovy flowy tops(not so much the mini skirts the women seem forced to wear) but that's not what we think of as the future anymore so the style had to change...and that change doesn't mean the new shows are in a different reality, it just means what people expect out of a television presenting the future has changed. And it's the same with other long running sci-fi shows like Doctor Who, the Cybermen were just guys in tin foil suits back in the 60's and you just have to accept that they were imposing because that's the way the other actors on screen reacted to them...but that wouldn't fly today. Time marches on and so too must the fiction.
I LOVE the miniskirts!
The pilot and next episode or two of Discovery didn't do anything for me but I probably would have kept watching for a while longer if Michelle Yeoh had had a bigger role. As t was I gave up on it pretty quick, after just 2 or 3 episodes. But I might go back and watch the season where I hear Yeoh comes back and features more prominently.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 2, 2022 19:10:11 GMT -5
Eh, it's not an alternate universe. People just have to accept that the original series went off the air nearly fifty years ago and that it's look is very much a product of its time. I love it, don't get me wrong, and the deficiencies never pull me out when I'm watching it and I appreciate that they were doing the best they could with what they had to deliver a look into what they thought the future would look like...but the future understandably looks different now. In 1966 the world's most powerful computer took up nearly a whole floor of Columbia University, so that the Enterprise's computer was just a few wardrobe size machines was definitely presenting something cutting edge to the audience of the era...but in 2021 I have a computer with ten times the processing power of the IBM 91...and it fits in my pocket...so the Enterprise's computer brain isn't that fantastic any more as miniaturization has out paced the imagination of the writers in 1966. On top of that reel to reel memory isn't a thing anymore and neither are analog toggles, buttons or switches and the over all look and design of furniture and clothing have progressed beyond that 60's mod style. Again, I love the boots and groovy flowy tops(not so much the mini skirts the women seem forced to wear) but that's not what we think of as the future anymore so the style had to change...and that change doesn't mean the new shows are in a different reality, it just means what people expect out of a television presenting the future has changed. And it's the same with other long running sci-fi shows like Doctor Who, the Cybermen were just guys in tin foil suits back in the 60's and you just have to accept that they were imposing because that's the way the other actors on screen reacted to them...but that wouldn't fly today. Time marches on and so too must the fiction.
I LOVE the miniskirts!
The pilot and next episode or two of Discovery didn't do anything for me but I probably would have kept watching for a while longer if Michelle Yeoh had had a bigger role. As t was I gave up on it pretty quick, after just 2 or 3 episodes. But I might go back and watch the season where I hear Yeoh comes back and features more prominently.
She's in season three a lot which was pretty solid, but for my money the best season so far was season two with Anson Mount as Captain Pike. I'm pretty excited to see him more in the upcoming Star Trek: Strange New Worlds which is set to give us episodic adventures aboard the pre-Kirk Enterprise. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 21:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 15, 2022 10:42:21 GMT -5
Okay, that one hurt!!!  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 18, 2022 20:01:23 GMT -5
-M I don't know if it's the baldness or that Stewert just lived a harder life but it's really crazy visually to think about. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 5, 2022 3:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 5, 2022 9:42:26 GMT -5
He shouldn't have taken that left turn at Albuquerque. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 5, 2022 10:12:09 GMT -5
He shouldn't have taken that left turn at Albuquerque. I think you mean Aldebaran. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 17, 2022 12:21:01 GMT -5
This has been making the online rounds over the past few days...
It's damn well made - such a loving homage to the animated series.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 17, 2022 14:32:54 GMT -5
This has been making the online rounds over the past few days... It's damn well made - such a loving homage to the animated series. Came here to post that. They really captured the whole Filmation style, even the stilted dialogue, thanks to a bit of editing of the source audio (mostly Riker). I cracked up when Riker moves toward the screen, like Kirk used to, back in '73. The only thing missing was having Troi deliver a stilted laugh in reaction to something, or Dr Crusher voicing an alien character. I was never a major Next Gen fan (missed too much of it, while in college and the Navy, and a little too PC, for my liking); but, I'd watch the hell out of a series of those! They need Lou Scheimer voicing an incidental character, though. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 17, 2022 14:34:01 GMT -5
Aw, man; just think of the dialogue when Bugs meets Spock! |
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 7, 2022 7:23:18 GMT -5
Man, Strange New Worlds was everything I hoped for. Seriously, this was the best Star Trek has been in a long time. I've actually enjoyed Discovery and Picard, but this is classic Trek at its best.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 3, 2022 8:39:00 GMT -5
I'm going to say it, five episodes in and Strange New Worlds is easily every bit as good as the best of Next Gen or DS9. The character work, the sense of fun and and discovery are all top notch and even the music is great.
If you love trek and you haven't tried this yet you're seriously missing out.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 12, 2022 18:42:52 GMT -5
Wonder when they will try DS9 or Enterprise?
I can't decide if I like the Filmation stock pose call outs or the stilted dialogue more!
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