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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 9, 2023 12:38:42 GMT -5
I finally got a Paramount sale to line up with nothing on Disney, so started Strange New Worlds (have to wait for the wife for the others)... pretty good so far two eps in, though I'm not sure I needed Kirk's dad to be there, seems like overkill. I'm not super excited that Pike seems to not get over knowing his future based on other comments, two episodes in and I already want to shout 'suck it up and deal!' at him. It's Kirk's brother, not his dad, the one who who was introduced right as he was found dead in that 1 episode of TOS. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 9, 2023 22:51:35 GMT -5
Oh really? seems too old for that, but I believe you, it's been some time since I watched that episode. YOu get that sort of thing when we get prequels and 'fill in the crack' type shows.
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Dec 10, 2023 3:51:06 GMT -5
The fact that these 2 Kirks are brothers will become important in later episodes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 7:56:29 GMT -5
I saw Walter Koenig at a convention the week prior! So few original cast members left, it really feels special to still be able to make that connection, and he was smiling and chatting away and seemed to be having a good time. We met Shatner last year at the same con, he was really nice.
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 2, 2024 17:56:54 GMT -5
I saw Walter Koenig at a convention the week prior! So few original cast members left, it really feels special to still be able to make that connection, and he was smiling and chatting away and seemed to be having a good time. We met Shatner last year at the same con, he was really nice. I've heard he's was cool to meet. Despite the crew's opinion on him . . hahaa. I believe there is only three cast members left and ole Shatner is 91 or 2. Not sure how old Sulu is at this point. But yah, enjoy'em while we can. |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 4, 2024 15:32:38 GMT -5
Thanks to the Dave Cullen Show on YouTube, I've revisited StarTrek: Enterprise a year or so ago now and found that I really, really enjoyed it. Far more than I did the first time. Some of it has too do with the longing for great Trek. But I was kinda snobby and critical the first time round. Great fun, top show.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 5, 2024 21:46:27 GMT -5
I finished Season 1 of Strange New Worlds... not bad, but definitely some quirks. I also thought it was... interesting.. that they had the big finale and it turns out the whole point is that Pike was not as good as Kirk. I surprising message when you're making more shows about the guy.
Got 3 eps left in Picard... it definitely could have been shorter... and most of the filler is blatant fan service, but I'm ok with it. I do really appreciate them moving the story forward, and I kinda hope they come up with some sort of 'Next-Next Generation' after it.
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 13:58:33 GMT -5
Just hard for me to get into the new Trek. Too convoluted these days since '09', The characters act out of character, the tone is wrong. It's all become about empowerment, spite and current social/political views. Couldn't stand Discovery, tried Strange New Worlds. Couldn't do it. I think there's even more shows out there but I just can't muster the stomach to watch. If someone out there loves them, more power too'em. Not knocking ya at all.
I just don't sense the spirit of Rodenberry anymore, like TOS, TNG, Deep Space 9 and so on. That's been gone since '09', when they tried to turn Star trek into Star Wars. I did see some of Picard 3, that made me happy that they tried too correct that course. It was a very entertaining finale. Still feels like Star trek is a big mess these days, but what isn't. Just my take.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 6, 2024 14:08:51 GMT -5
I just don't sense the spirit of Rodenberry anymore, like TOS, TNG, Deep Space 9 and so on. Roddenberry never would have greenlit DS9, and he would have taken issue with a lot of late TNG, as well. I'd go so far as to argue that Trek as a general franchise only achieved its true apex once Roddenberry got out of the way. As for the new stuff, I'm just overwhelmed by the sheer amount of it. I absolutely want to start watching Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks, though. As for it being about current social/political issues, that was always the scope of Trek. Remember TOS's "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"? |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 14:14:41 GMT -5
I just don't sense the spirit of Rodenberry anymore, like TOS, TNG, Deep Space 9 and so on. As for the new stuff, I'm just overwhelmed by the sheer amount of it. As am I. |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 14:20:35 GMT -5
I just don't sense the spirit of Rodenberry anymore, like TOS, TNG, Deep Space 9 and so on. Roddenberry never would have greenlit DS9, and he would have taken issue with a lot of late TNG, as well. I'd go so far as to argue that Trek as a general franchise only achieved its true apex once Roddenberry got out of the way. As for it being about current social/political issues, that was always the scope of Trek. Remember TOS's "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"? I understand and agree somewhat on the styling of latter TNG and DS9, that it got better, although I loved the early seasons of TNG a lot and many of those are my favorite episodes. But there is a difference between having an episode that flips some political commentary on it's head to make a point and moves on too the next and your entire show being 'WOKE' and saturated this this trendy social-ideological views and feelings of the day. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 6, 2024 14:32:31 GMT -5
But there is a difference between having an episode that flips some political commentary on it's head to make a point and moves on too the next and your entire show being 'WOKE' and saturated this this trendy social-ideological views and feelings of the day. I haven't seen the new stuff, but the old stuff certainly wasn't afraid to get preachy and socially relevant. |
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 14:51:23 GMT -5
But there is a difference between having an episode that flips some political commentary on it's head to make a point and moves on too the next and your entire show being 'WOKE' and saturated this this trendy social-ideological views and feelings of the day. I haven't seen the new stuff, but the old stuff certainly wasn't afraid to get preachy and socially relevant. Yes, and that's a wonderful episode. But my point was what I said. There is a difference. I'm sure some of it has to do with the political left has become more socially and politically radical and the line between these things have become blurred. I have a feeling we are not going to see eye to eye on this and that's fine my friend. If other people enjoy the new stuff, more power too'em. I remember when the Star trek reboot came out in '09' and everyone was falling and fawning over that, it was completely fine, I just wasn't one of them. And that did'nt have anything to do with WOKE really. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 6, 2024 14:55:24 GMT -5
I'm also never really sure what people mean when they throw around the word "woke". Certainly, Trek has been about using sci-fi to further the ideas of compassion and social justice all along. The one criticism I've heard about the new Trek tied to "wokeness" involves their emphasis on trans representation. I find that odd, since TNG and DS9 went there too.
So, if, three decades later, they're making it an ongoing thing instead of a one-shot message, good for them. Putting Uhura on the Bridge was a statement about inclusivity too, wasn't it?
If you don't like it, that's your right, but I can't imagine anyone suggesting that classic Trek wasn't progressive and "woke".
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 6, 2024 15:17:40 GMT -5
The one criticism I've heard about the new Trek tied to "wokeness" involves their emphasis on trans representation. I find that odd, since TNG and DS9 went there too. In a certain way as I stated before. But I suppose all of this makes sense if you look at a black woman who just wants to be free and live her life and not be judged be the color of her skin, the same as a confuse 8 year old being given hormones and blockers by his LGBTG+ teacher and scheduling his reassignment surgery behind his parents back. Your right Startrek in a way has always been somewhat progressive to a point, combined with great characters and wonderful storytelling. But they have gone from challenging thought to pushing current progressive and far left social-political narative. |
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