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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 31, 2017 9:15:30 GMT -5
Shax, thanks for mentioning Adrienne Roy, who was a grammar school classmate of mine and a graduate of our hometown high school. I'm frankly envious, Hal. I would love to meet her one day. I rarely notice the work of colorists, but I firmly believe Batman would not have been the same without her. I think mdg said that she was one of the few colorists you ever really noticed. She was that good. I wish I'd known her better. She was the classic "quiet, artistic girl" with dreamy eyes and a kind of bemused aloofness -- not condescension, by any means --whose waters obviously ran deep. I always thought of her as self-possessed and comfortable in her own skin even though she was essentially a loner. The closest our grammar school had to a beatnik, in spirit, anyway. An old soul, I guess. Would I had possessed half her self-assuredness in grade school and long afterward. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 31, 2017 9:22:38 GMT -5
I'm frankly envious, Hal. I would love to meet her one day. I rarely notice the work of colorists, but I firmly believe Batman would not have been the same without her. I think mdg said that she was one of the few colorists you ever really noticed. She was that good. I wish I'd known her better. She was the classic "quiet, artistic girl" with dreamy eyes and a kind of bemused aloofness -- not condescension, by any means --whose waters obviously ran deep. I always thought of her as self-possessed and comfortable in her own skin even though she was essentially a loner. The closest our grammar school had to a beatnik, in spirit, anyway. An old soul, I guess. Would I had possessed half her self-assuredness in grade school and long afterward. That sounds exactly like the creator I would have imagined. Interesting that you noted her being an "artistic type". Was she a good artist? I wonder if she had penciling/inking abilities and was relegated to coloring because of her gender. She certainly understands artistic mood better than most comic artists I've seen. |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 31, 2017 9:25:07 GMT -5
Just realized we haven't discussed Alison Bechdel yet. I largely know her because of the Bechdel Test, but Dykes to Watch Out For was certainly a trailblazing artistic work, spanning from 1983 to 2008. I've just never read it. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 31, 2017 9:43:17 GMT -5
Have to mention Trina Robbins and cat yronwode. Trina was a pioneer of women in the undergrounds, a tireless advocate for women in comics and a chronicler of the women who worked in the field, past and present. yronwode was the E-I-C of Eclipse, which produced some tremendous comics and she also worked with Will Eisner and co-wrote a history of Women in Comics, with Robbins.
Don't forget Donna Barr, cartoonist and educator, and Roberta Gregory.
From the classic era, Tarpe Mills, Dale Messick; and, from more contemporary comic strips Cathy Guisewite and Lynn Johnston.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 10:04:37 GMT -5
Trina Robbins is a wonderful person and a very talented creator. Had the pleasure of meeting her at Gem City Comic Con a few years back. Here's Trina with my wife, she's holding an art print my wife had given her after Trina saw her art and prints at our table and spent some time encouraging her to d more comic work. She also gifted my wife with a volume of the Chicagoland Detective series of OGNs she was doing...  -M |
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Post by MDG on Mar 31, 2017 11:41:33 GMT -5
I'm frankly envious, Hal. I would love to meet her one day. I rarely notice the work of colorists, but I firmly believe Batman would not have been the same without her. I think mdg said that she was one of the few colorists you ever really noticed. She was that good. ... I may have, 'cause I did notice her work a lot. Got a chance to meet her at a couple of shows. very nice person. Also, the most inked-up person I ever saw at a time before everybody decided to get a tattoo. |
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Post by rickd on Mar 31, 2017 12:12:42 GMT -5
Let's hear it for the underground ladies while we are at it.
Trina Robbins
Carol Lay
Dori Seda
Aline Kominski
And a special shout out to former Renegade Publisher, Deni Loubert.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 31, 2017 13:19:59 GMT -5
I think mdg said that she was one of the few colorists you ever really noticed. She was that good. I wish I'd known her better. She was the classic "quiet, artistic girl" with dreamy eyes and a kind of bemused aloofness -- not condescension, by any means --whose waters obviously ran deep. I always thought of her as self-possessed and comfortable in her own skin even though she was essentially a loner. The closest our grammar school had to a beatnik, in spirit, anyway. An old soul, I guess. Would I had possessed half her self-assuredness in grade school and long afterward. That sounds exactly like the creator I would have imagined. Interesting that you noted her being an "artistic type". Was she a good artist? I wonder if she had penciling/inking abilities and was relegated to coloring because of her gender. She certainly understands artistic mood better than most comic artists I've seen. My wife was in an art class with her in high school and remembers her as very quiet. However, artistically, and certainly by the standards of her peers, Adrienne could do it all. I wish I had taken the time to send her a note when I started to see her name in so many DC comics way back when. Her yearbook photo bears only her name and a few lines of poetry from this book that are a parody of Tennyson's "Break, Break, Break."  Adrienne's portrait is accompanied by the last verse.  How great is that? She was so far beyond so many of her classmates in sensitivity and awareness. Just a cool, cool person. So sorry I never really knew her. Her family, btw, was far from Bohemian, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were a bit mystified by her. In the back of the yearbook she lists that she was in the Chess Club (10), the Latin Club (9), Conservation (12) and Cold Cuts (12). I think Cold Cuts was a magazine of some sort. They didn't have a superlative for Most Artistic. Too bad... |
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Post by shaxper on Mar 31, 2017 13:23:51 GMT -5
WOW.... Thanks so much for sharing all of this, Prince Hal! |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 31, 2017 13:24:16 GMT -5
WOW.... Thanks so much for sharing all of this, Prince Hal ! My melancholy pleasure. |
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Post by MDG on Mar 31, 2017 13:59:04 GMT -5
Let's hear it for the underground ladies while we are at it. Trina Robbins Carol Lay Dori Seda Aline Kominski And a special shout out to former Renegade Publisher, Deni Loubert. I'd add Sherry Flenniken and Mary Fleener. I gotta say, though, that I always found Aline Kominski's work pretty unappealing at just about every level. Also MK Brown: |
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Post by MDG on Mar 31, 2017 14:03:38 GMT -5
You know who should be better known? Lilly Renee.  |
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Post by berkley on Mar 31, 2017 18:20:18 GMT -5
Julie Doucet's Dirty Plotte was one of my top comics during most of the 90s, probably #3 after Love & Rockets and Eightball. I haven't kept up with her work since that series ended, though.
Marie Severin was probably too talented, versatile, and reliable for her own good. I have a feeling Marvel depended on her too much to do all kinds of fill-ins and odd-jobs - covers, inking, ads, short stories in the humour books, etc - to let her have a regular series of her own for very long.
It's hard to judge Mary Skrenes's work because everything I've seen was in collaboration with Steve Gerber, but together they produced one of the most ground-breaking superhero series of all time, Omega the Unknown, and then one of the best series of the 2000s, Hard Time, so I think she has to be rated highly. Wish she'd do something new in comics one of these days.
Female characters are a different story and should probably have a thread of their own.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 31, 2017 21:50:21 GMT -5
If we want to expand things, you have to mention Rumiko Takahashi, creator of Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma 1/2 and Inuyasha. She is a titan of the manga world; probably the female equivalent of Osamu Tezuka, in terms of impact on subsequent generations. Then there are Angela and Luciana Guissani, the creators of the massively popular Diabolik. Tove Jansson's Moomins is known worldwide.
From the indie world: Jessica Abel and Sarah Dyer. I loved Dyer's Action Girl comic, plus her collaborations with Evan Dorkin.
Mindy Newell did some fine writing, at DC, June Brigman helped make Power Pack a cult hit, and Melinda Gebbie is a fine creator in her own right, separate from Alan Moore. Along similar lines, Joyce Babner had her own works, before collaborating with Harvey Pekar on Our Cancer Year. Judith Hunt did brilliant work one her own Evangeline (along with then-husband Chuck Dixon).
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 6, 2017 12:30:23 GMT -5
If we want to expand things, you have to mention Rumiko Takahashi, creator of Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma 1/2 and Inuyasha. She is a titan of the manga world; probably the female equivalent of Osamu Tezuka, in terms of impact on subsequent generations. Then there are Angela and Luciana Guissani, the creators of the massively popular Diabolik. Tove Jansson's Moomins is known worldwide. From the indie world: Jessica Abel and Sarah Dyer. I loved Dyer's Action Girl comic, plus her collaborations with Evan Dorkin. Mindy Newell did some fine writing, at DC, June Brigman helped make Power Pack a cult hit, and Melinda Gebbie is a fine creator in her own right, separate from Alan Moore. Along similar lines, Joyce Babner had her own works, before collaborating with Harvey Pekar on Our Cancer Year. Judith Hunt did brilliant work one her own Evangeline (along with then-husband Chuck Dixon). No mention of Riyoko Ikeda? Do you even like manga? You realize that you are repeatedly contrasting them with men or emphasizing the men that they have collaborated with, right? You can not be serious? If the point is to bring exposure to them to people who may not be familiar with their work then it's a good tactic. |
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