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Post by tolworthy on Aug 29, 2016 15:38:46 GMT -5
So yeah, Johnny Storm's love of hot rods was very much a product of his times - i.e. The early '60s. I'm surprised that you didn't know that tolworthy , given your love of all thing FF. I knew hot rods were a "thing" in the 50s and 60s, but it's the specific dates and details that interest me. it's like knowing that the FF are about the space race, and then discovering that FF 1 was written in the exact same month that Yuri Gagarin entered space. The general becomes specific.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 15:49:47 GMT -5
So yeah, Johnny Storm's love of hot rods was very much a product of his times - i.e. The early '60s. I'm surprised that you didn't know that tolworthy , given your love of all thing FF. I knew hot rods were a "thing" in the 50s and 60s, but it's the specific dates and details that interest me. it's like knowing that the FF are about the space race, and then discovering that FF 1 was written in the exact same month that Yuri Gagarin entered space. The general becomes specific. I take it you have no idea what half the things I mentioned (in a reply to slam a few posts ago) are?
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 29, 2016 15:56:38 GMT -5
Thanks a bunch. It took me months to stop being distracted by the divine Ann Margret. Now I'm right back to square one. My pleasure...
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 29, 2016 16:01:46 GMT -5
I knew hot rods were a "thing" in the 50s and 60s, but it's the specific dates and details that interest me. it's like knowing that the FF are about the space race, and then discovering that FF 1 was written in the exact same month that Yuri Gagarin entered space. The general becomes specific. I take it you have no idea what half the things I mentioned (in a reply to slam a few posts ago) are? I know a mustang is a horse, a duster is something that cleans away cobwebs, headers are the data at the top of a document, carbs make you fat, an air shock is either medical or something to do with flying... not sure about these "friends" you mention, but then I spent my childhood reading comics
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 29, 2016 17:53:13 GMT -5
Because American identity, as magnified by Madison Avenue and Hollywood, in the 1950s was heavily tied into automobiles. The Interstate Highway System was formed in 1956. Detroit and the Big Three auto-makers were at their peak, GM, Ford and Chrysler were the Big Three then and now, but back then there were others - in 1950 you could buy Packard, Studebaker, Nash, Hudson, Willys, Kaiser-Frazer and Checker cars, and maybe others I've forgotten.
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 29, 2016 17:57:04 GMT -5
Good to know about the Eben and Sara names, having never read Lowther's novel. I would think, however, that since the Superboy Comic was published for a few years prior to the TV show that it was possible the Jonathan and Martha was already in use. Also since this was the first season, Whitney Ellsworth wasn't supervising the show as of yet, not as close as he would starting with season 2. Perhaps the learned DCIndexer or the esteemed Cei-U can chime in with the facts of when the Jonathan and Martha names were established I just learned how to do this. Kurt's busy and probably not reading this thread but I can tag Cei-U! and he'll be notified. IIRC, he does have the history of the Kents' first names recorded.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 29, 2016 18:09:43 GMT -5
Good to know about the Eben and Sara names, having never read Lowther's novel. I would think, however, that since the Superboy Comic was published for a few years prior to the TV show that it was possible the Jonathan and Martha was already in use. Also since this was the first season, Whitney Ellsworth wasn't supervising the show as of yet, not as close as he would starting with season 2. Perhaps the learned DCIndexer or the esteemed Cei-U can chime in with the facts of when the Jonathan and Martha names were established I just learned how to do this. Kurt's busy and probably not reading this thread but I can tag Cei-U! and he'll be notified. IIRC, he does have the history of the Kents' first names recorded. Personally, I'd be shocked (and a little bit appalled ) if he didn't!
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 29, 2016 18:22:29 GMT -5
Jonathan Kent Adventure 149, 1950 Marthe Kent, Superboy 12, 1951 (Martha thereafter) According to the Superman Wiki
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Post by chadwilliam on Aug 29, 2016 21:33:23 GMT -5
Well, it makes the character a lot simpler and easier to understand and reduces him to just another guy in an acrobat suit, but, hey, to each his own, I guess. I don't see that it reduces him at all. It makes him more real, more believable, which I'd say is an improvement.
I honestly think that if you're handed Superman - a guy who can fly and has all sorts of super powers - and decide that your main objective is making him "believable", things aren't likely going to end well. I mean, believable would be me walking around downtown looking for crime, not finding any, and going home to bed.
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 30, 2016 1:48:00 GMT -5
I take it you have no idea what half the things I mentioned (in a reply to slam a few posts ago) are? I know a mustang is a horse, a duster is something that cleans away cobwebs, headers are the data at the top of a document, carbs make you fat, an air shock is either medical or something to do with flying... not sure about these "friends" you mention, but then I spent my childhood reading comics I thought a duster was one of those things Clint Eastwood was always wearing in 70s westerns....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 1:51:20 GMT -5
I know a mustang is a horse, a duster is something that cleans away cobwebs, headers are the data at the top of a document, carbs make you fat, an air shock is either medical or something to do with flying... not sure about these "friends" you mention, but then I spent my childhood reading comics I thought a duster was one of those things Clint Eastwood was always wearing in 70s westerns.... It has multiple definitions. So yes it is the coat you are thinking of, something used to remove dust and a few other things as well. -M
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Post by tingramretro on Aug 30, 2016 1:51:30 GMT -5
I don't see that it reduces him at all. It makes him more real, more believable, which I'd say is an improvement.
I honestly think that if you're handed Superman - a guy who can fly and has all sorts of super powers - and decide that your main objective is making him "believable", things aren't likely going to end well. I mean, believable would be me walking around downtown looking for crime, not finding any, and going home to bed.
Well, not really. What I meant is, a character has to be believable as a character in order for me to be invested in him/her, regardless of whether or not they can do unbelievable things or find themselves in incredible situations. Pre-Byrne, Superman always struck me as less a character, more a walking plot device.
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Post by kellyg on Aug 30, 2016 20:59:57 GMT -5
I agree about Batman becoming a man-child. Don't like that retcon.
One retcon I think was good was making the Terrible Tinkerer into a gadget maker for super-villains. One retcon I really hate is Sally, the girl Peter Parker approaches in Amazing Fantasy 15 for a date--gaining super powers herself! What's next-the janitor at Mid Town high becoming a super villain.
One observation I wanted to make on Spider-man's origin. He does not devote himself to fighting crime after his uncle his killed. The final panel caption says something like "a new hero is born" but he says nothing about it in his dialogue. In the first issue of ASM he continued to do showbiz work and his dialogue in the opening suggests he didn't really blame himself for long over his uncle's death. He ends up fighting criminals to get pictures to sell to J Jonah Jameson. That was the original motivation. I'm a big fan of Ditko's comics.
New here BTW. Hi!
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Post by shaxper on Aug 30, 2016 21:01:52 GMT -5
One observation I wanted to make on Spider-man's origin. He does not devote himself to fighting crime after his uncle his killed. The final panel caption says something like "a new hero is born" but he says nothing about it in his dialogue. In the first issue of ASM he continued to do showbiz work and his dialogue in the opening suggests he didn't really blame himself for long over his uncle's death. He ends up fighting criminals to get pictures to sell to J Jonah Jameson. That was the original motivation. I'm a big fan of Ditko's comics. Interesting point. I wonder if this is another issue of Lee's intent vs. the artist's intent. Welcome! Great first post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 21:07:05 GMT -5
Welcome. Hope you like it here!
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