simayl
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Imagination is more powerful than CGI
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Post by simayl on Aug 28, 2016 4:41:41 GMT -5
Neil Adams , Batman Odyssey was crap. I'm ashamed that I bought it. I think I like what I've seen of the artwork, though. I might read it yet just for that. If you like the re-coloured style as appeared in the Neal Adams collections go for it, otherwise avoid!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 28, 2016 4:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 28, 2016 5:44:10 GMT -5
Neal did an X-men year one book for Marvel with another writer which wasn't bad. I agree that that his writing is subpar. I haven't pick up any issues of his Superman project because of that bad Batman book.
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Post by DubipR on Aug 28, 2016 7:51:12 GMT -5
My friend, who's a dye in the wool Neal Adams fan was super excited for Odyssey to come out. First issue came out he was just deflated. Then he came over to my house and showed me what he did with the comic... he white-out all the bubbles and wrote his own script. It was actually more coherent and entertaining than Neal's words.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 28, 2016 10:45:25 GMT -5
Neal's a great talent but not a writer.
Ish is right. Those Continuity Comics were beautiful, but really crappy.
I've picked em up over the years for $.25 a piece, but the actual stories are pretty lame.
Even McFarlane bowed to the fans and brought in some decent writers to help with Spawn there for 4 issues.
Neal has a ginormous ego, well deserved, but still, get a writer to at least co-write with you.
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Post by foxley on Aug 28, 2016 19:45:13 GMT -5
The Sandman by Simon and Kirby. Moronic plots paired with clunky artwork.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 28, 2016 20:32:15 GMT -5
I had forgotten about Sovereign 7.... good call. I can't believe it lasted 3 years!
I think after digesting it for a day or two I have to put Wolfman/Ditko on Machine Man on the list too.. I'm a big Wolfman fan, but this was just terrible,and the Ditko art is extremely pedestrian.
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 28, 2016 21:34:43 GMT -5
I had forgotten about Sovereign 7.... good call. I can't believe it lasted 3 years! I think after digesting it for a day or two I have to put Wolfman/Ditko on Machine Man on the list too.. I'm a big Wolfman fan, but this was just terrible,and the Ditko art is extremely pedestrian. I must disagree in part. The Wolfman issues weren't so bad. It's when Tom DeFalco took over as writer that the title became a huge crapfest. Cei-U! Lord save us from Gears Garvin!
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 28, 2016 21:39:13 GMT -5
Hey hey whoa
I liked Machine Man and Kirby's Sandman as well.
Neither great, but not bad.
There's way worse I could point out from either company.
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Post by chadwilliam on Aug 28, 2016 22:32:16 GMT -5
Although the objective here seems to be locate aberrations in otherwise illustrious careers, I keep thinking of those writers who suddenly went from producing great works to lousy ones and just stayed on course. Frank Miller went from Dark Knight to Year One to Batman/Spawn with no gradual decline in between as far as I can tell - it's as if he just woke up one day and said "I need to start balancing off my legendary status by writing a lot of crap and I have no time to lose!" I know there was an eight year gap between those first two stories and the third, but I haven't seen much change in the quality of his Batman work in the eight year gap or so that followed Batman/Spawn and ended with Dark Knight Strikes Again (or All Star Batman for that matter).
I remember being shocked with how bad the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen film was when it came out. I can never understand why we can't get decent adaptations of so many great comics when the source material itself provides detailed pictures as if to say "This is how everything should look and these words inside these balloons pointing to peoples mouths is what everyone should say".
Now, if I told you that the screenplay was handled by a fairly well known comic writer, would you guess that the writer I'd be referring to was James Robinson fresh off a wonderful run on Starman? How is this possible? I suppose that I may be overestimating the amount of control a screenwriter has over a film (Kevin Smith has a great story about having to shape his Superman Lives film script around Jon Peter's eccentricities) but at the same time, the writing for that League film seemed about equal to the writing which soon followed in Robinson's Cry For Justice work and Superman run.
I don't know, it's as if some writers are capable of writing really, really well or really, really terribly but not knowing how to do simply "decent".
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 29, 2016 8:23:19 GMT -5
Neal has a ginormous ego, well deserved, but still, get a writer to at least co-write with you. Tony Bedard co-scripted Superman: the Coming of the Supermen, but was gone after the first issue.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 29, 2016 9:17:53 GMT -5
Oh !
Sorry to hear that.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Aug 29, 2016 11:25:39 GMT -5
For first hand reading, Frank Miller's implosion into full blown assholery in DKSB, and all star Batman were cosmically awful (and noted on this thread already.)
This is a tough one as my experience with the greats goes only as far as their seminal works, so it would be second hand knowledge. Byrnes not too good Doom Patrol, His Wonder Woman want too hot either from what I gather.
Also, any artist inked by Joe Kubert suffers tremendously. I know he's pretty well respected, but I'm not a fan.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 29, 2016 12:05:53 GMT -5
Also, any artist inked by Joe Kubert suffers tremendously. I know he's pretty well respected, but I'm not a fan. I really can't think of very many instances of Kubert inking someone else. Maybe his sons a few times.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Aug 29, 2016 12:49:55 GMT -5
Also, any artist inked by Joe Kubert suffers tremendously. I know he's pretty well respected, but I'm not a fan. I really can't think of very many instances of Kubert inking someone else. Maybe his sons a few times. You're right on that, he inked Adam on Ghost Rider and it was terrible, it almost seems as if he was penciling it. What I wrote was a guess, unsubstantiated, And kinda jerky...
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