RikerDonegal
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Most of the comics I'm reading at the moment are Marvels from 1982.
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Post by RikerDonegal on Sept 28, 2016 17:11:38 GMT -5
Right!?! At least something like this... Absolutely. I would have had the same reaction to those covers. That first one looks like... I dunno, a 'spidey' cover. It just looks 'right' somehow. The second one... Not so much. But, as someone who always bought by mail order, back in the day, covers didn't influence my choices. I sometimes wonder, had I lived somewhere else (with easy access to comics in a local shop) what would my collection have been like?
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Post by Ozymandias on Sept 29, 2016 3:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by rom on May 13, 2017 10:47:26 GMT -5
As a kid growing up in the late '70's - very early'80's, for some reason I preferred the Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-man title to the Amazing Spider-man series. PPTTSSM featured more bizarre villains & also seemed to focus somewhat more on PP's personal life, while at the same time having a lot of action as well. So, I am truly looking forward to the first MMW volume reprinting the 1970's issues, coming out this summer. This is the first time these will be reprinted in color - it will be nice for me to be able to read these issues for the first time in many years: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Parker,_The_Spectacular_Spider-Man_Vol_1 I'll definitely be getting the first 5-6 (and maybe more) MMW reprinting this title. By 1983-ish, however, PPTSSM & ASM were a lot more interchangeable, with the stories starting in one title & crossing over to the other. I remember this especially occurring with the Dr. Octopus/Owl gang-war, as well as some of the Black Cat storylines. I thought Web of Spider-Man was OK; I collected this to some extent for a while after the title began. I would probably buy a series of Epic Trades reprinting just the '80's issues. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Web_of_Spider-Man_Vol_1
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Post by Confessor on May 14, 2017 8:09:53 GMT -5
As a kid growing up in the late '70's - very early'80's, for some reason I preferred the Peter Parker, the Spectacular Spider-man title to the Amazing Spider-man series. PPTTSSM featured more bizarre villains & also seemed to focus somewhat more on PP's personal life, while at the same time having a lot of action as well. So, I am truly looking forward to the first MMW volume reprinting the 1970's issues, coming out this summer. This is the first time these will be reprinted in color - it will be nice for me to be able to read these issues for the first time in many years: marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Peter_Parker,_The_Spectacular_Spider-Man_Vol_1 I'll definitely be getting the first 5-6 (and maybe more) MMW reprinting this title. By 1983-ish, however, PPTSSM & ASM were a lot more interchangeable, with the stories starting one one title & crossing over to the other. I remember this especially occurring with the Dr. Octopus/Owl gang-war, as well as some of the Black Cat storylines. I thought Web of Spider-Man was OK; I collected this to some extent for a while after the title began. I would probably buy a series of Epic Trades reprinting just the '80's issues. marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Web_of_Spider-Man_Vol_1I too often preferred PP:TSSM to Amazing Spider-man. Originally the book's intent was very much to focus in on Peter's civilian life and his supporting cast, which is an area of the Spider-Man stories that I've always loved. I agree that the title was good up through the mid-80s, but I won't be picking up the MMWs because I'm already quite a way through collecting a pretty full run of the first 100 issues or so. Hopefully the publication of this reprint volume will drive the prices of the earliest issues down a bit, because they're tough to find for cheap.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 14, 2017 10:21:29 GMT -5
Spidey didn't do much for me in the 70s, regardless of which book it was; but, I usually enjoyed Marvel team-Up. The Spidey soap opera used to annoy me in the regular books and MTU mostly kept it in check. Also, it highlighted a lot of great second string characters who weren't being used to their potential in the rest of the MU. Marvel Two-In-One was much the same. Fantastic Four could be hit and miss for me; but M2in1 was usually pretty fun an Ben made a great mixer with others. Both also got a few mini-epics, beyond the normal 1-2 issue stories. MTU had one that started with an amnesiac Black Widow encountering Spidey, that then brought Nick Fury and Shang Chi into things. The story culminates with a battle on the deck of the Helicarrier, which is about to plow into the Capitol Building. M2in1, of course, had the Project Pegasus saga, which brought in Quasar, Wundar (ak the Aquarian), Deathlok, Giant Man (Bill Foster, the former Black Goliath), and Thundra.
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Post by rom on May 14, 2017 13:03:19 GMT -5
Spidey didn't do much for me in the 70s, regardless of which book it was; but, I usually enjoyed Marvel team-Up. Interesting, because I have the opposite opinion. Though I was only reading the Spider-man titles towards the tail end of the '70's (too young to collect them in the earlier part of the decade), in looking back that decade was my favorite era for Spider-man, and many other comics as well (super-hero & otherwise).
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Post by codystarbuck on May 14, 2017 16:30:03 GMT -5
Spidey didn't do much for me in the 70s, regardless of which book it was; but, I usually enjoyed Marvel team-Up. Interesting, because I have the opposite opinion. Though I was only reading the Spider-man titles towards the tail end of the '70's (too young to collect them in the earlier part of the decade), in looking back that decade was my favorite era for Spider-man, and many other comics as well (super-hero & otherwise). That's the old different tastes. I first read Spidey comics in the 70s, when Gerry Conway was writing. I thought he was the biggest whiner I ever encountered. Batman had his parents killed in front of him; but, he did constantly whine about it. When i read Spidey, it felt like, "Mary Jane wants to go out and I have no bread!" "Aunt May is sick again!" "J Jonah Yelled at Me!" "The rent is due!" I didn't care about any of that, i wanted adventure. I liked the smart aleck stuff and the fights were usually good; but, the soap opera kept filtering in. meanwhile, Spidey builds some contraption to defeat the villain, yet he can't pay the rent. Where did he get the money for the components? If he can do that, why can't he cobble together something to sell to pay the rent? I just couldn't buy into the logic of it (or suspend logic, as it were). With Marvel Team-Up, I didn't get as much of that. It was more of the playful banter and the action, without the soap opera stuff I hated. Now, when I saw Spidey reprints, it wasn't as bad. A fried had the Super Special treasury-sized comic, with the Spidey villains (from one of the annuals) and the fight with the Lizard and it wasn't anywhere near as bad. My cousin had some Spidey issues without that much soap opera and they were better. Again, first impression affected my perception of the character. I did read Untold Tales of Spider-Man regularly and was fine with that portrayal. That was the only Spidey series I read consistently. MTU I picked up based on the guest star and Spider-Man was either because I read someone else's copy or I ended up with one in a 3-pack sampler.
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Post by rom on May 14, 2017 21:51:56 GMT -5
The problem is that I hated the Secret Wars maxi-series, and was luke-warm about Spider-man's black costume. Since the black costume was part of the storyline after SM came back from the Secret Wars (starting in 1984, though I'm sure the exact month) I wasn't as into 1980's SM.
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Post by berkley on May 14, 2017 22:40:23 GMT -5
Spider-Man the 70s never really appealed me that much, as a few people have already said. The Wein/Andru Amazing was probably the most consistent but it sometimes felt a bit drab to me. I like the idea of Spectacular S-M concentrating more on Peter Parker's personal and university life but the creative teams never really stood out to me, though they were never less than competent. I don't recall Web of at all - probably it started after I stopped reading Marvel in the 80s.
I suppose it comes down to the fact that Spider-man wasn't one of my favourite characters. I didn't dislike S-M and I didn't mind the soap opera or the constant worrying, but ir was never a character I was attracted to in and of itself, so in the absence of some really exceptional talent such as Ditko or Romita it tended to fade off my radar. I think the S-M series one I liked best in the 70s was Team-Up, but only when John Byrne was doing the artwork.
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Post by bran on May 15, 2017 18:44:56 GMT -5
here, this guy tried to make some sense out of it: www.spideykicksbutt.com/SpiderMan101/SpiderMan101Part2.htmlit's a combination of: - attempts for creation of thematically-oriented titles - sales gimmicks - attempts for creation of titles dedicated to particular authors - alternate/rebooted timeline titles and few other things for sure, but basically it's a mess it's really more relevant who wrote it, rather than the book-title. AFAIK post Lee/Ditko/Romita Spider-man is just a different character(or a cardboard, sometimes for better sadly), that's where I draw the line but hey - check it out for yourself it's the endless sea..
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Post by berkley on May 15, 2017 18:59:43 GMT -5
One thing about the soap-opera stuff and the "hero with hang-ups" idea - after Ditko left the series, I found that Romita drew Parker as a pretty handsome, solidly-built guy, so the underdog attitude sometimes felt a little at odds with the visual imagery we were getting. Not so much that it totally undermined that aspect of the book - Parker always had plenty to worry about with school, his job, and his secret life as a superhero, and anyone can have relationship problems, no matter what they look like - but the difference from the Ditko years is noticeable.
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Post by Confessor on May 15, 2017 19:42:56 GMT -5
One thing about the soap-opera stuff and the "hero with hang-ups" idea - after Ditko left the series, I found that Romita drew Parker as a pretty handsome, solidly-built guy, so the underdog attitude sometimes felt a little at odds with the visual imagery we were getting. Not so much that it totally undermined that aspect of the book - Parker always had plenty to worry about with school, his job, and his secret life as a superhero, and anyone can have relationship problems, no matter what they look like - but the difference from the Ditko years is noticeable. It's called growing up. Plenty of guys (myself included) go from being gangly, rake thin 15 year olds, who suck with the ladies, to relatively more handsome and confident 17 or 18 year olds. To me, the transition of Peter Parker under Ditko, Romita, Kane and Andru's hand represents a fairly typical male transition from high school teenager to early 20s adult.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 15, 2017 20:07:38 GMT -5
I agree, that is how I viewed the transition from Ditko to Romita. Thing is, when you grow up around someone, they may start to look better and grow into their looks but to you, they are still that nerdy person. And Peter was used to ridicule so it would be hard for him to magically think "hey I look good" and have a complete change of attitude.
Granted, some people just don't like Parker's whiny behavior in general but to me, it was never so much that it took away from the story or made me dislike him as a character.
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Post by Ozymandias on May 16, 2017 5:13:32 GMT -5
When i read Spidey, it felt like, "Mary Jane wants to go out and I have no bread!" "Aunt May is sick again!" "J Jonah Yelled at Me!" "The rent is due!" I didn't care about any of that, i wanted adventure. I liked the smart aleck stuff and the fights were usually good; but, the soap opera kept filtering in. meanwhile, Spidey builds some contraption to defeat the villain, yet he can't pay the rent. Where did he get the money for the components? If he can do that, why can't he cobble together something to sell to pay the rent? I just couldn't buy into the logic of it (or suspend logic, as it were). Serves you right, for jumping on the bandwagon at the worst possible moment. (I'm guessing you're talking about Conway's tenure as "writer").
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Post by codystarbuck on May 16, 2017 11:10:04 GMT -5
When i read Spidey, it felt like, "Mary Jane wants to go out and I have no bread!" "Aunt May is sick again!" "J Jonah Yelled at Me!" "The rent is due!" I didn't care about any of that, i wanted adventure. I liked the smart aleck stuff and the fights were usually good; but, the soap opera kept filtering in. meanwhile, Spidey builds some contraption to defeat the villain, yet he can't pay the rent. Where did he get the money for the components? If he can do that, why can't he cobble together something to sell to pay the rent? I just couldn't buy into the logic of it (or suspend logic, as it were). Serves you right, for jumping on the bandwagon at the worst possible moment. (I'm guessing you're talking about Conway's tenure as "writer"). Yeah, that was my first exposure. Like I said earlier, I did see Lee & Ditko reprints, in that Spidey Special Edition Treasury, which were much better. I didn't have a ton of access to comics until I was older, in the later 70s, so most of my exposure to Spidey were those Conway issues and Marvel Team-Up, of which a cousin had several issues. He also had some Amazing Spider-Man (just a handful) and there were a couple of good ones in there. However, it wasn't enough to get me to read it regularly. In the 80s I was busy reading DC's renaissance and starting to look at the indies. Marvel did nothing for me and when I saw Spidey covers they did even less. He was also going through the black costume thing and that seemed like a dumb gimmick, at first glance. I spent more time watching Spidey (the live action tv series, the cartoons) than reading him. With Marvel, I preferred Captain America and Daredevil to Spidey.
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