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Post by badwolf on May 16, 2017 11:46:08 GMT -5
One thing about the soap-opera stuff and the "hero with hang-ups" idea - after Ditko left the series, I found that Romita drew Parker as a pretty handsome, solidly-built guy, so the underdog attitude sometimes felt a little at odds with the visual imagery we were getting. Not so much that it totally undermined that aspect of the book - Parker always had plenty to worry about with school, his job, and his secret life as a superhero, and anyone can have relationship problems, no matter what they look like - but the difference from the Ditko years is noticeable. It's called growing up. Plenty of guys (myself included) go from being gangly, rake thin 15 year olds, who suck with the ladies, to relatively more handsome and confident 17 or 18 year olds. To me, the transition of Peter Parker under Ditko, Romita, Kane and Andru's hand represents a fairly typical male transition from high school teenager to early 20s adult. Just look at Anthony Michael Hall! |
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Post by rom on May 16, 2017 12:21:58 GMT -5
Good memories of '70's/'80's Spider-man comics. The character has always been one of my favorites, and I even remember having the old Mego action figure back in the late '70's.
Re: the original Stan Lee/Steve Ditko SM comics, while I don't have any nostalgic memories associated with them (wasn't around when they were first released), I do appreciate that Marvel started reprinting ASM from #1-on circa 1982/1982 in Marvel Tales. This was my first exposure to these early Ditko issues, and I remember being both impressed by them & amazed (pun intended) at the difference between those & the '70's/'80's SM - both in content & art-wise.
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Post by tarkintino on May 16, 2017 12:48:08 GMT -5
They were mostly self contained until the 90's when the 4 titles essentially became a weekly similar to what DC did with the Superman titles at that time. ASM and Marvel Team-Up had a shared continuity from the start. For example, In the wake of Gwen Stacy's death in ASM #121 (June, 1973), its not long before Jameson sends Parker to San Francisco (to take photos of Daredevil & Black Widow) to take his mind off of the tragedy, but ends up fighting the Werewolf By Night, as seen in Marvel Team-Up #12 (August, 1973). |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 18, 2017 10:35:58 GMT -5
In the 80s I was busy reading DC's renaissance and starting to look at the indies. Marvel did nothing for me and when I saw Spidey covers they did even less. He was also going through the black costume thing and that seemed like a dumb gimmick, at first glance. It looks like it wasn't just meant to happen, trying again right after Stern's run... couldn't possibly imagine worse timing. |
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Post by codystarbuck on May 18, 2017 20:26:31 GMT -5
In the 80s I was busy reading DC's renaissance and starting to look at the indies. Marvel did nothing for me and when I saw Spidey covers they did even less. He was also going through the black costume thing and that seemed like a dumb gimmick, at first glance. It looks like it wasn't just meant to happen, trying again right after Stern's run... couldn't possibly imagine worse timing. Well, like I say, Kurt Busiek got me to read Untold Tales. I did read Spidey Super Stories, when I saw them, which was usually in the barber shop. I was a bit old for them; but, most of the ones I saw were team-ups: Spidey & Nova, Spidey & Storm. I would have liked to have seen Spidey team up with Letter Man... ...or Rita Moreno. |
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2017 21:03:59 GMT -5
Conway's Peter Parker may have been a whiner but Bill Mantlo's version was an out-and-out dick: selfish, manipulative, cruel. He was the first writer to actually make me dislike Spidey.
Cei-U!
I summon the Raid!
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Post by Ozymandias on May 19, 2017 5:56:08 GMT -5
Conway's Peter Parker may have been a whiner but Bill Mantlo's version was an out-and-out dick: selfish, manipulative, cruel. He was the first writer to actually make me dislike Spidey. Cei-U! I summon the Raid! Thinking about any particular issue? |
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Post by rom on Jul 3, 2017 21:46:47 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jul 3, 2017 23:17:04 GMT -5
If I remember correctly I always read Amazing for the great battles and read PPTSPM for the character development and did find it more soap operish. Probably why I didn't read it very often back in the day.
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Post by rom on Aug 4, 2017 22:05:40 GMT -5
Bumping this thread because I just recently got the PPTSSM MMW #1. Fantastic book! I've been waiting for Marvel to reprint this classic title in color for years, so it's nice to finally have this - at long last. I do have dim memories of seeing some of these issues on the stands back in the day, and do also specifically remember owning (or at least reading) #13 - 14 in the late '70's/early '80's. In paging through this, I am digging the appearances by Tarantula (awesome #1 cover - very iconic), Moebius the living vampire, Vulture, The Inhumans, Man-Beast, etc. There were some fairly goofy looking characters as well, i.e. "Brother Power/Sister Sun", "Razorback", etc. However, it was the '70's  The art by Sal Buscema/Mike Esposito & Buscema/Jim Mooney is decent, but IMHO there is a marked improvement with #15 when Sal teams up with Ernie Chan on the art - fantastic! #15 definitely has my favorite art in this volume. In any case, looking forward to future volumes of this title. Hopefully PPTSSM will become a regular yearly MMW, along with ASM. |
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