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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 20, 2018 16:30:50 GMT -5
A real pity. I guess there are far more important things to be saddened about, but I would have liked to get more of that show. Ah, well... it's not the first good show to be cancelled. At least we got a proper conclusion of sorts. Well between this and Iron Fist, one getting good ratings and good reception and the other not, but both being cancelled within days of each other, it makes me think something is up with the Marvel/Netflix deal. Either cutting back of content leading towards the end of the deal, or Marvel wanting to try other properties to see what will work and taking back some properties for other venues. It was easy to write off the Iron Fist cancellation as one being based on reception and performance of the show and nothing more, but Cage was well received and got much better ratings than Fist and still got the axe. I wait to see what happens with DD season 4 (3 just dropped), Jessica Jones season 3, and if the planned Punisher season 2 actually happens. -M Disney and Netflix deny it, but their relationship seems to be on the rocks. I suppose it would make sense for Disney to repatriate all of its IP, whether it is to be exploited on a Disney streaming service (is there one already?) or on ABC. |
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Post by Warmonger on Oct 20, 2018 18:25:57 GMT -5
Well between this and Iron Fist, one getting good ratings and good reception and the other not, but both being cancelled within days of each other, it makes me think something is up with the Marvel/Netflix deal. Either cutting back of content leading towards the end of the deal, or Marvel wanting to try other properties to see what will work and taking back some properties for other venues. It was easy to write off the Iron Fist cancellation as one being based on reception and performance of the show and nothing more, but Cage was well received and got much better ratings than Fist and still got the axe. I wait to see what happens with DD season 4 (3 just dropped), Jessica Jones season 3, and if the planned Punisher season 2 actually happens. -M Disney and Netflix deny it, but their relationship seems to be on the rocks. I suppose it would make sense for Disney to repatriate all of its IP, whether it is to be exploited on a Disney streaming service (is there one already?) or on ABC. If I’m not mistaken, with Disney’s acquisition of FOX, they now own 60% of Hulu. I think there’s a decent possibility that some of these shows could move over to there. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 22, 2018 9:53:31 GMT -5
Disney and Netflix deny it, but their relationship seems to be on the rocks. I suppose it would make sense for Disney to repatriate all of its IP, whether it is to be exploited on a Disney streaming service (is there one already?) or on ABC. If I’m not mistaken, with Disney’s acquisition of FOX, they now own 60% of Hulu. I think there’s a decent possibility that some of these shows could move over to there. That seems to be the more obvious conclusion to draw, with how successful cage was I can't see canceling for any reason other than a business maneuver. |
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Post by rberman on Oct 26, 2018 9:02:50 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, with Disney’s acquisition of FOX, they now own 60% of Hulu. I think there’s a decent possibility that some of these shows could move over to there. That seems to be the more obvious conclusion to draw, with how successful cage was I can't see canceling for any reason other than a business maneuver. Streaming services can get amazingly granular data about the popularity of their shows since they know who is watching how many minutes of which episodes how often, and what other shows those same people watch. Also, they were tracking social media impact, e.g. how many Tweets were going out related to each show. By all the metrics, both Iron First and Luke Cage saw major falloff during their second season compared to their first. Daredevil and Jessica Jones did as well, but less so. |
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Post by Randle-El on Oct 26, 2018 21:14:58 GMT -5
I realize this is a total fantasy for a variety of reasons ... but part of me thinks it would be pretty damn cool if the movie side took advantage of this by including either Luke Cage or Danny Rand in the next iteration of the Avengers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2018 1:27:50 GMT -5
According to this, Cage lost 59% of viewers between first and second series and Iron Fist lost 64% - it's no surprise that they were cancelled. I guess word of mouth wasn't enough to bring back viewers for the 2nd series of Cage, which is allegedly better (though I must admit, from the episodes I've seen so far, it's still dull as dishwater), and I'm amazed they even made a second Iron Fist (or at least without major recasting) after the dire first series. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 9, 2018 2:12:53 GMT -5
Watching season one! It's good, but it's sloooow. I'd trade quite a bit of the beautiful cinematography, subtle acting, and long-term plotting for some superhero camp and a little more sensahumor.
There's just so much of this Netflix stuff now I ain't never gonna get caught up.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 10, 2018 17:43:18 GMT -5
Six episodes deep in season one and and there are a lot of things I like.
The writing - specifically the depth and breadth of relationships among the cast and the cast and how the cast interacts with the setting (and how Harlem works as a character unto itself) is pretty damn breathtaking.
It's pretty ballsy to do a superhero show about what it means to be black in America - I've never seen superhero fiction deal with race and sociology with this kind of empathy and thoughtfulness. The show is definitely expanding the limits of superhero as genre in some pretty amazing ways.
I said "cinematography" before but some of the shots are just damned beautiful. This is a great looking show about 75% of the time.
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Post by Jesse on Jul 19, 2019 22:30:37 GMT -5
Late to the party again but just started watching season 2. Right away I thought Bushmaster was a decent villain to square off against Luke and their initial confrontation in episode 4 looked great. As cheesy as this show is sometimes the fight choreography is really impressive so far. Even Misty and Colin bar fight scene was exciting. The musical production and guests continue to impress as well.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 21, 2019 14:28:34 GMT -5
Late to the party again but just started watching season 2. Right away I thought Bushmaster was a decent villain to square off against Luke and their initial confrontation in episode 4 looked great. As cheesy as this show is sometimes the fight choreography is really impressive so far. Even Misty and Colin bar fight scene was exciting. The musical production and guests continue to impress as well. We often hear that the MCU doesn’t have great villains apart from Loki (and, recently, Killmonger)... but I thought that Mustafa Shakir as Bushmaster really knocked it out of the ballpark. He was very three-dimensional and the viewers could easily root for him. He could stand his ground against Luke, too! |
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Post by berkley on Jul 22, 2019 0:58:40 GMT -5
Late to the party again but just started watching season 2. Right away I thought Bushmaster was a decent villain to square off against Luke and their initial confrontation in episode 4 looked great. As cheesy as this show is sometimes the fight choreography is really impressive so far. Even Misty and Colin bar fight scene was exciting. The musical production and guests continue to impress as well. We often hear that the MCU doesn’t have great villains apart from Loki (and, recently, Killmonger)... but I thought that Mustafa Shakir as Bushmaster really knocked it out of the ballpark. He was very three-dimensional and the viewers could easily root for him. He could stand his ground against Luke, too! He was good. I just wish they had continued to make him a little more of a match for Cage throughout, as he was in their first couple of encounters, rather than have him pretty clearly unable to physically beat him, as it appeared later on. But that's a problem endemic to superhero stories, whether comics, films, or tv shows, not just this series. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 4:43:27 GMT -5
Finally had another run on this - and I'm really enjoying it. I still think the pacing is too slow in places, but I think this stands up better than the first series.
Having said that, after binge watching 5 or 6 episodes, I'm up to episode 10, with the Iron Fist team-up - and he's still a jarringly terrible fighter - cannot kick to save his life, and some of his choreography is so far off, with punches missing by feet.
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Post by rberman on Dec 26, 2019 11:10:53 GMT -5
Finally finished Season 2 of Luke Cage. I found the first season to be an engrossing examination of the varied experiences of blacks in urban America. The second season had a cool villain (Bushmaster) and engrossing mobster soap opera but left the main character adrift, until remaking "The Godfather" (including both borrowed dialogue and borrowed cinematography) in the last couple of episodes.
The main problem with the series was that Luke was such a loner. Daredevil and Jessica Jones had much better defined supporting casts to bounce the hero off of. If Luke Cage is going to be a noble, stoic paladin and straight-man then he needs some kind of jackass sidekick to add levity. The enthusiastic kid selling T-shirts was much to small a role to fill the void.
Power Man and Iron Fist could work as a buddy crime series, but in that case Iron Fist would presumably be the cool, collected one while Power Man would be loaded with wisecracks.
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