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Post by tingramretro on Nov 22, 2016 2:48:03 GMT -5
Don't you mean X-Factor rather than X-Force? Oy ! Yes, of course that's what I meant. Can you tell I haven't read a mutie comic in a really long time ? Looking back 50 years now and reading anything from the Silver Age, at least for some of us, is kind of rocky. Lee & Kirby, like anyone, had hits and misses, or some stuff better and some stuff not so great. To me, the original run up until Wein comes on, with the exception of Thomas & Adams, is mostly weak. Good ideas, weak execution. It's truly amazing when you look at the originals and then what it evolved  into later. Readers from back then loved Spidey, the FF, the Avengers; how often do you hear someone saying, "Oh yeah. X-Men was so great back then. It was my favorite. The best thing Stan and Jack ever did." I've heard about the aforementioned time and again, and I get it. I also get that anything ever produced was someone's favorite, but the original run was definitely the weakest group title they did IMO. To me, FF was the weaker group book. I've nothing against Stan and Jack's FF, but I've also never understood why it's so highly regarded. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 23, 2016 1:32:32 GMT -5
I'm up to X-Men #6 where Magneto is trying to recruit Namor because he might be a mutant!
I'd forgotten the sequence where Magneto is totally pimpin' Wanda! He tells her to get Namor interested in her. And Pietro is like: "It looks like you're pimping my sister! This Pietro cannot allow!" And Wanda is like: "Calm down, my brother! If we can't trust Magneto, who can we trust? Remember how he never lets us forget that he saved my life?" And then she points and accidently hexes Namor and somehow zaps him with a staggering electric volt!
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2016 12:37:36 GMT -5
I read X-Men #7 and #8 over the last few days, and I love both of these stories. X-Men #7, in addition to Magneto, Wanda, Pietro, Mastermind, the Toad and the Blob, also has that bizarre sequence where Hank and Bobby go to a Greenwich Village coffeehouse and the beatniks start worshiping Hank's feet. It's one of my favorite scenes in any Silver Age Marvel comic. Issue #8 is a lot of fun as well. This morning I read #9. I'm not quite so enthusiastic about this one. So much nothing happens. I bought a VG copy of #9 for $3 (or so) in the 1970s and I didn't like it much then either. I sold that a long time ago and I've never owned a reprint and I bet it's been close to 20 years since I read it. Let's see, Professor X is roaming around in some caves searching for the super-villain Lucifer in Generic Europe. (And Europe has never been more generic than it is in X-Men #9.) He has summoned the X-Men and they are crossing the Atlantic on a cruise ship which is about to hit an iceberg. Cyclops saves the ship by blasting the iceberg. They eventually get to Generic Europe and start wandering around a random medieval city and looking for Professor X. The Avengers show up and scare a tourist from Ohio. (I love this little sequence, especially where the Wasp bops the tourist on the head to get him to leave the area.) The tourist drives down the road to tell the X-Men (in their civvies) about all the freaks wandering around Generic Europe this year. (Next year, he's going to Generic Latin America for his vacation!) The X-Men respond by switching into their uniforms for some reason and freaking the guy out. The Avengers, by the way, have come to Generic Europe because Thor's hammer senses evil in this area. The Avengers and the X-Men get into a fight for a few pages, one of those dumb Marvel super-hero fights that could be avoided by someone saying something like "We have to be careful because Lucifer has wired his heartbeat to a thermal bomb that will destroy the world" instead of "Butt out, Avengers! This is X-men business, and we don't need you wankers getting in our way!" Eventually, after the Wasp has made one of her flirty comments about getting to meet that dreamy Angel, the Avengers leave and the X-Men save the day by defeating Lucifer, and Cyclops defuses the bomb with a needlepoint strike on the fuse with one of his crimson power blasts. The Chic Stone inking is pretty awesome! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 13:31:33 GMT -5
Original X-Men Marvel GirlShe was not a boring character to begin with and she and Invisible Girl were probably the best women characters that the early days of Marvel Comics ever produced and I'm a huge fan of Marvel Girl with her unique powers and mindset that make the group dynamics different and unique. For the early days of Marvel Comics she was a pioneer and one of the most powerful mutant, 2nd to Professor X in understanding of psychic powers and abilities that later became Phoenix. So, she was complex and hard to understand - but, I do understand Marvel Girl and that's why I love her for all it's worth. AngelWarren was created for to give a team some recon abilities and help with a lot of variety of ways that makes the team goes. I find him at first not my favorite character of X-Men until some friends that I know at my local LCS explains to me why he is on the team to give the team an uniqueness of all it's own and helps us to understand the mutant world that Professor X is trying to protect. Angel is a very difficult character to explain at first if you aren't into X-Men - but he's a wonderful and caring character that gave the team the ability to go great distances and helped them with scouting reports and that's why he is the first one in the attack mode and that's why he is one of the most resourceful member on that team. He is not boring at all. BeastHe was designed and created for two purposes to have the muscles and the brain of the group so having said that he's the Thing and Mr. Fantastic all rolled into one in a strange and different sets of dynamics that I felt that he was needed for that team alone. He was design for that purpose alone. Strength and Brain Power. Along that he also quite gifted in terms of fighting and helped the team for all that worth. I loved the Beast so much that I find him very dependable, brave, and a fan favorites for all X-Men lovers out there for those reasons alone. The team without the Beast will be a very sad team to begin with and I consider him somewhat a Martian Manhunter because he is the Soul of the X-Men and that's why his Strength and Brain Power is very much needed for that team into place. CyclopsHe is the field leader of the X-Men and one of the most powerful mutant alive and with his patent Optical Blasts and his abilities to think fast on his feet ... he's much needed as anyone on the X-Men team alone and that's why I felt that he gotten a bum rap for being too pushy on the team in the early days because the team needed discipline and reasoning and that why he is the team leader for that group alone and one of the first members that Professor X contact with via telepathic means so that this team can survive and fight another day. His optic blasts is a wrecking machine and often he saved the day using that powerful weapon and that's why I consider him the Green Lantern of the group because of that ability to shoot optic beams from his eyes. Get my drift here and that's why he's complex and hard to understand at first and to me he isn't all that boring at all. IcemanAnother recon member of the X-Men and one of the many reasons why Marvel Comics were favored by intelligent and rational Comic Book readers back then is that Iceman is similar to the Human Torch in it's abilities to recon short distances by the means of using his ice powers to get there and move around so flawlessly that he helps the X-Men to think what to do next. That's the beauty of this character and using his ice powers he can slow down his adversaries to the point that the other X-Men can take them out and stop them cold. That's why they created him for that reason alone and that's why he is a very capable member on that team alone and I don't think anyone here can think that think he is boring - in my mind he isn't. Last and not least Professor X The Heart and Soul of the X-Men The Group Teacher The Guiding Force And, the GLUE that keeps the team TOGETHER Without him, there is NO X-MEN. Sorry, urrutiap this team isn't boring after all.
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Post by urrutiap on Nov 27, 2016 16:42:04 GMT -5
I never said they the x Men were boring. I said the first few issue stories were boring such as the Blob issues and the Brotherhood by the way we're boring to read through. Mastermind and Toad kept fighting and Magneto pretty much acting like a total ahole towards everyone. Namor was annoying
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2016 17:58:15 GMT -5
Re-reading X-Men #9 reminded me that Lucifer and Professor X have a bit of a past and that Lucifer is responsible for Professor X's confinement to a wheelchair. And I have never read the story where that is explained in detail. I've read X-Men reprints up to #18 and my library system has The Essential X-Men, Volumes Two and Three (reprinting X-Men from about #25 to #66) but there's a few issues between #18 and #25 that I've never read. So it's like almost 40 years since I first read #9 and I still have never read the story about this allegedly epic encounter. I think it's in X-Men #20.
Maybe I'll buy it digitally like I did with #11 a few months ago. The first appearance of the Stranger. Yeah, I figured it was ridiculous that I had been reading Marvel Comics for 40 years and had never read that one.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 27, 2016 18:02:08 GMT -5
I never said they the x Men were boring. I said the first few issue stories were boring such as the Blob issues and the Brotherhood by the way we're boring to read through. Mastermind and Toad kept fighting and Magneto pretty much acting like a total ahole towards everyone. Namor was annoying Okay, but your title clearly states "most boring characters". So, I can see why he would get that is what you meant. |
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 27, 2016 18:06:58 GMT -5
Re-reading X-Men #9 reminded me that Lucifer and Professor X have a bit of a past and that Lucifer is responsible for Professor X's confinement to a wheelchair. And I have never read the story where that is explained in detail. I've read X-Men reprints up to #18 and my library system has The Essential X-Men, Volumes Two and Three (reprinting X-Men from about #25 to #66) but there's a few issues between #18 and #25 that I've never read. So it's like almost 40 years since I first read #9 and I still have never read the story about this allegedly epic encounter. I think it's in X-Men #20. Maybe I'll buy it digitally like I did with #11 a few months ago. The first appearance of the Stranger. Yeah, I figured it was ridiculous that I had been reading Marvel Comics for 40 years and had never read that one. I am going to check on something for you when I get home. If I have it, it's yours, if you want it.  |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 27, 2016 18:33:51 GMT -5
Of all the original Marvel superheroes of the 1960's, I found the X-Men's Angel the most boring of them all
Let's see-he can fly. Just like hundreds of other characters
Let's see-he had wings. Just like DC's Hawkman who was so much more interesting
Let's see-he was a white bread rich guy who had no personality. There was nothing about his character that defined him. And he remained a directionless empty cypher during the entire original X-Men run.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 27, 2016 18:36:16 GMT -5
Re-reading X-Men #9 reminded me that Lucifer and Professor X have a bit of a past and that Lucifer is responsible for Professor X's confinement to a wheelchair. And I have never read the story where that is explained in detail. I've read X-Men reprints up to #18 and my library system has The Essential X-Men, Volumes Two and Three (reprinting X-Men from about #25 to #66) but there's a few issues between #18 and #25 that I've never read. So it's like almost 40 years since I first read #9 and I still have never read the story about this allegedly epic encounter. I think it's in X-Men #20. Maybe I'll buy it digitally like I did with #11 a few months ago. The first appearance of the Stranger. Yeah, I figured it was ridiculous that I had been reading Marvel Comics for 40 years and had never read that one. Based on my rapidly receding brain cells, it had something to do with a mineshaft cave-in while they were searching for something or other |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2016 18:40:29 GMT -5
Re-reading X-Men #9 reminded me that Lucifer and Professor X have a bit of a past and that Lucifer is responsible for Professor X's confinement to a wheelchair. And I have never read the story where that is explained in detail. I've read X-Men reprints up to #18 and my library system has The Essential X-Men, Volumes Two and Three (reprinting X-Men from about #25 to #66) but there's a few issues between #18 and #25 that I've never read. So it's like almost 40 years since I first read #9 and I still have never read the story about this allegedly epic encounter. I think it's in X-Men #20. Maybe I'll buy it digitally like I did with #11 a few months ago. The first appearance of the Stranger. Yeah, I figured it was ridiculous that I had been reading Marvel Comics for 40 years and had never read that one. I am going to check on something for you when I get home. If I have it, it's yours, if you want it. Thanks so much, lolatadatodo! |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2016 18:44:15 GMT -5
Re-reading X-Men #9 reminded me that Lucifer and Professor X have a bit of a past and that Lucifer is responsible for Professor X's confinement to a wheelchair. And I have never read the story where that is explained in detail. I've read X-Men reprints up to #18 and my library system has The Essential X-Men, Volumes Two and Three (reprinting X-Men from about #25 to #66) but there's a few issues between #18 and #25 that I've never read. So it's like almost 40 years since I first read #9 and I still have never read the story about this allegedly epic encounter. I think it's in X-Men #20. Maybe I'll buy it digitally like I did with #11 a few months ago. The first appearance of the Stranger. Yeah, I figured it was ridiculous that I had been reading Marvel Comics for 40 years and had never read that one. Based on my rapidly receding brain cells, it had something to do with a mineshaft cave-in while they were searching for something or other The final resting place of Joseph of Arimathea? |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 27, 2016 18:51:29 GMT -5
Based on my rapidly receding brain cells, it had something to do with a mineshaft cave-in while they were searching for something or other The final resting place of Joseph of Arimathea? They were searching for a personality for Warren Worthington III. The two previous ones used it up |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 19:35:22 GMT -5
Of all the original Marvel superheroes of the 1960's, I found the X-Men's Angel the most boring of them all Let's see-he can fly. Just like hundreds of other characters Let's see-he had wings. Just like DC's Hawkman who was so much more interesting Let's see-he was a white bread rich guy who had no personality. There was nothing about his character that defined him. And he remained a directionless empty cypher during the entire original X-Men run. NSFW? I don't know. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 28, 2016 19:31:27 GMT -5
This morning I read X-Men #10 over breakfast. It's pretty silly but danged if I don't love in spite of itself. They're having a session in the Danger Room ... but Warren isn't there. He's watching the news. Researchers in Antarctica have come across a man in a loincloth walking around with a saber-toothed tiger! Cyclops concludes that HE MUST BE A MUTANT! Professor X tells him no, he's not a mutant. But he's been called by Washington, D.C., about it. For some reason. So Professor X sends the X-Men to Antarctica to investigate the man in a loincloth because ... they haven't been on any missions lately. So they go to Antarctica and find a cave in the ice and are attacked by dinosaurs and then by the swamp people and then Maa-Gor the gorilla-man. And Ka-zar shows up and Marvel Girl is captured and Ka-zar helps rescue her and he whistles and mammoths show up and stampede the wooden barricades of the swamp people. And the swamp people have a captive T. rex. And so on and so forth. It makes no damn sense. But I love it. Just one crazy danged thing after another. That's it for the Marvel Masterworks volume I got from the library. I'm thinking of continuing. I got #11 digitally and I have #12 to #18 in "X-Men: The Early Years," a 1990s reprint series with covers that looked like this: |
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