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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 25, 2020 0:28:23 GMT -5
No wonder Galactus can’t find his remote.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 0:52:47 GMT -5
I forgot to include links to the full story on the monolith NY TIMESBBCand here's a video clip form the Department of Safety in Utah on their onsite encounter with the monolith -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2020 5:54:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there is a lot of virulent anti-intellectualism and tribalism out there for some reason. Trust in the governing parties are at an all time low, with them telling people to stay home while they go out to social events and hair salons. My intellect tells me that people lie.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 25, 2020 6:55:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately, there is a lot of virulent anti-intellectualism and tribalism out there for some reason. Trust in the governing parties are at an all time low, with them telling people to stay home while they go out to social events and hair salons. My intellect tells me that people lie. People do lie; that's why it's important to hold authority figures accountable for their words and actions. That's also why it's important to stick to the only self-correcting system that our species developed to understand the universe as it is, and not as we wish it to be: science. When it is mixed with a deep humanity (as is the case with, say, actor Stephen Fry or astronomer Hubert Reeves) it's even better. I wish the public at large paid more attention to such people.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2020 7:21:30 GMT -5
Trust in the governing parties are at an all time low, with them telling people to stay home while they go out to social events and hair salons. My intellect tells me that people lie. People do lie; that's why it's important to hold authority figures accountable for their words and actions. That's also why it's important to stick to the only self-correcting system that our species developed to understand the universe as it is, and not as we wish it to be: science. When it is mixed with a deep humanity (as is the case with, say, actor Stephen Fry or astronomer Hubert Reeves) it's even better. I wish the public at large paid more attention to such people. The trouble with following science is that they don't really know where this virus is going. Dr. Fauci has guessed wrong more than a few times. They keep telling people to stay inside but inside is away from UV rays that burn the virus off. Inside is where people are in close contact with each other. I believe that people at high risk should take every precaution. The young and healthy should go and live as normal as they can.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 25, 2020 7:49:14 GMT -5
People do lie; that's why it's important to hold authority figures accountable for their words and actions. That's also why it's important to stick to the only self-correcting system that our species developed to understand the universe as it is, and not as we wish it to be: science. When it is mixed with a deep humanity (as is the case with, say, actor Stephen Fry or astronomer Hubert Reeves) it's even better. I wish the public at large paid more attention to such people. The trouble with following science is that they don't really know where this virus is going. Dr. Fauci has guessed wrong more than a few times. They keep telling people to stay inside but inside is away from UV rays that burn the virus off. Inside is where people are in close contact with each other. I believe that people at high risk should take every precaution. The young and healthy should go and live as normal as they can. Dr Fauci is an expert on infectious disease, and so is as trustworthy as they come when it comes to viruses. I can't agree that he has "guessed wrong" many times; he certainly never claimed, for example, that the virus would disappear as if by magic. On the contrary, from the very first day, he has insisted that this pandemic was a very serious crisis. Has he changed his recommendations over time? Absolutely! That is not a sign of him not knowing what he's talking about, however: that is the sign of a proper scientist, who adjusts his model as more data comes in. For example, in the early months of the pandemic, we were told to stay at home and avoid all unnecessary contact. In such circumstances, wearing a mask offers only a minute amount of extra protection (since a mask has no purpose if one doesn't meet other people). What's more, because we hoi polloi tend to overreact to any situation, masks were disappearing from the shelves as fast as toilet paper was, leaving none for the medical staff that actually needed them. The official recommendation was therefore to stay indoors and not wear a mask. Then we tentatively reopened society, and as long as we were keeping our distances, masks weren't seen as a necessity. A bit later numbers came in (after proper epidemiologic studies) and showed that in fact, masks did make a difference; the authorities then changed their tune and told us to wear them. It's like the old saying : "no plan survives contact with the enemy"; a responsible health official (Fauci, in this case) must adapt to the situation on the ground. I agree with you that at this point, now that we know that young people are at very little risk of getting seriously ill, our focus should be on protecting the most vulnerable among us (the elderly, the immunocompromised, people with other medical conditions). That being said, I really don't see how we can do it without limiting the spread of the virus in the population at large (both among the young, where it is almost innocuous, and the elderly, where it can be lethal). Should we confine vulnerable people? If so, how do we feed them, provide them the medical care they need, and prevent them from going stir crazy while the rest of us are enjoying a normal life? That's especially difficult in a country like the U.S., where medical care is not universal and is often associated with one's employment status. I don't know how this crisis should be handled, and I am not convinced that whatever Fauci suggests next will prove to be right in the long run. I just know that he is more qualified than just about anyone to make suggestions regarding COVID-19! Plus, he practices what he preaches. That is a good point in his favour.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 25, 2020 9:06:19 GMT -5
I know a perfectly rational explanation for this will eventually surface, but I find myself fascinated by the story of the strange metal monolith recently discovered in Utah. It was spotted from a helicopter while the Department of Safety was conducting a routine survey of big horn sheep in the area. and for scale... one story I read said it was made from stainless steel and held together with rivets, so it's obviously man-made and not some callback to the monolith of 2001: A Space Odyssey, but it's in such an isolated spot and wasn't likely to be found at random, which leaves me wondering who and why it was put there. Some speculate it was some kind of art installation, but again, it wasn't likely to be found so why do it there. Whatever the explanation (and I fully expect it to be a mundane one), my curiosity is abuzz over this. I'm sure the explanation will end up being mildly unsatisfying, but I still want to know. -M Being in a remote area where people might not see it doesn't preclude it from being a piece of art; there's been a rash of these types of installments in recent years.
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Post by impulse on Nov 25, 2020 9:34:11 GMT -5
Dr Fauci is an expert on infectious disease, and so is as trustworthy as they come when it comes to viruses. I can't agree that he has "guessed wrong" many times; he certainly never claimed, for example, that the virus would disappear as if by magic. On the contrary, from the very first day, he has insisted that this pandemic was a very serious crisis. Has he changed his recommendations over time? Absolutely! That is not a sign of him not knowing what he's talking about, however: that is the sign of a proper scientist, who adjusts his model as more data comes in. For example, in the early months of the pandemic, we were told to stay at home and avoid all unnecessary contact. In such circumstances, wearing a mask offers only a minute amount of extra protection (since a mask has no purpose if one doesn't meet other people). What's more, because we hoi polloi tend to overreact to any situation, masks were disappearing from the shelves as fast as toilet paper was, leaving none for the medical staff that actually needed them. The official recommendation was therefore to stay indoors and not wear a mask. Then we tentatively reopened society, and as long as we were keeping our distances, masks weren't seen as a necessity. A bit later numbers came in (after proper epidemiologic studies) and showed that in fact, masks did make a difference; the authorities then changed their tune and told us to wear them. It's like the old saying : "no plan survives contact with the enemy"; a responsible health official (Fauci, in this case) must adapt to the situation on the ground. I agree with you that at this point, now that we know that young people are at very little risk of getting seriously ill, our focus should be on protecting the most vulnerable among us (the elderly, the immunocompromised, people with other medical conditions). That being said, I really don't see how we can do it without limiting the spread of the virus in the population at large (both among the young, where it is almost innocuous, and the elderly, where it can be lethal). Should we confine vulnerable people? If so, how do we feed them, provide them the medical care they need, and prevent them from going stir crazy while the rest of us are enjoying a normal life? That's especially difficult in a country like the U.S., where medical care is not universal and is often associated with one's employment status. I don't know how this crisis should be handled, and I am not convinced that whatever Fauci suggests next will prove to be right in the long run. I just know that he is more qualified than just about anyone to make suggestions regarding COVID-19! Plus, he practices what he preaches. That is a good point in his favour. I almost entirely agree, except I think you are overly downplaying the potential risk to young people. Obviously the elderly and those with underlying conditions are at most risk, but to suggest it's nearly innocuous to the young doesn't seem right.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2020 9:39:34 GMT -5
Fauci Said that it would not be a serious threat back in February.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 25, 2020 9:53:13 GMT -5
Fauci Said that it would not be a serious threat back in February. About that rumour, checked by Snopes.com : During a Feb. 29, 2020, interview, Dr. Fauci said that at that time and under the circumstances pertaining to that date, Americans didn't need to change their behavior patterns.
However, Fauci did not say there was "nothing to worry about," and although he stated that Americans did not yet need to change their behaviors, he noted that what was then classified as the COVID-19 outbreak could require that to change.So he didn't mislead anyone or change his mind. He adapted his message as the pandemic was progressing. Kind of like the Titanic's captain, who at first assessed the damage instead of immediately sending everyone to the lifeboats. When the ship started sinking, though, he didn't claim that it would remain afloat as soon as weather cleared; he did tell people to put on their lifejackets and abandon ship. And I sincerely hope that a Titanic analogy will not prove prophetic!!!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 25, 2020 10:03:23 GMT -5
That monolith (I saw it on the news last night too, as my wife had it on to watch the thunderstorms we were having) is playing out like the start of an episode of Ancient Aliens, and how this was some mysterious object that will somehow end the rampage of Covid-19 if man can figure it out, that the aliens started in the first place to see if man has evolved since the last viral epidemic they unleashed on humanity.
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Post by impulse on Nov 25, 2020 14:06:37 GMT -5
Yeah, a single statement from 9 months ago doesn't say much on how we handle it now, with 9 months of real worldwide actual data and study. It's not comparable. At all.
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Post by brianf on Nov 25, 2020 14:08:48 GMT -5
I know folks who were involved with the Seattle Monolith - in fact a friend has it in his back yard. Players gonna play.
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Post by Rob Allen on Nov 25, 2020 16:30:38 GMT -5
One thing I've read recently and hope to read more about is a finding that people with weak immune systems are indeed more susceptible to being infected by the virus - but they don't die from it. People die when their immune system overreacts; that's where the "cytokine storm" comes from. People who can't generate a cytokine storm just get sick for a while, or have no symptoms at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 21:02:46 GMT -5
Yeah, a single statement from 9 months ago doesn't say much on how we handle it now, with 9 months of real worldwide actual data and study. It's not comparable. At all. and he also had no idea - really who could possibly have known - that Covidiots would refuse to practice social distancing, and turn Mask wearing into a political statement.
there are over 250K dead Americans, because far too many Americans are fools.
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