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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 20:13:11 GMT -5
Ha! I remember when I was 17 I had to drive my Mom (she never got her license until she was 59) from Philadelphia to Altoona to see her family. I had Steve Miller on 8 track & played it in my car. Luckily she didn't understand some of the lyrics (or she pretended she didn't hear them). She liked my Boston 8 track! I went to college near Altoona. Back in the days of America Online, Altoona was the nearest dial-up location. Small world. 8 track player for the car, though...that's amazing. Yep installed it myself. I had albums for my home stereo & an 8 track player in my car. For bands like Boston I have owned their music in 8 track, album, cassette & CD. My favorite stereo when I was in college had a record player, radio, 8 track player & dual cassette decks. I added a CD player in the mid 80's. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 5, 2017 20:23:03 GMT -5
I thought it sounded familiar. What song is it from? The Joker A comic-book reference!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 20:38:23 GMT -5
Ah, but I can show anybody, male or female, the pudding thread and be proud of what it contains due to my efforts. Even my grandmother enjoys it Can you make the same claim?  The covers being posted are available to anyone for purchase. It's not porn and there's more things on TV that are far more offensive. Does your grandmother enjoy watching the soft porn that is the highlight of television broadcasting? As far as I can tell nobody has left this site because of the sexy cover thread like they have in the politics thread. I've had at least 6 people I recommended checking the site out to at con or stores that I followed up with who cited that thread as one of the major reasons why they didn't join and why they thought it was an uncomfortable place to be a female comics fan in, not all of whom were woman (none of them cited the politic thread as a reason for not joining by the way). Others declined because of unnamed threads they thought were problematic. Of the 15 or so people I have taken the time to share this site with and talked it up at shows, none have joined after checking it out or left shortly after they signed up without posting much. Those who are turned off by the thread but not already invested in the community are not likely to take the time to comment why on the site to give you your smoking gun of the negative impact of threads like that, and those that I did hear from, I got answers because I followed up on not because they went out of their way to tell me why. I haven't recommended the site to anyone in almost a year now because of the constant negative feedback to those kinds of threads I got. In my view, the thread started as a somewhat interesting discussion as to whether or not sexy covers influence purchasing habits (which is what the OP asked about, and degenerated into an excuse to post cheesecake and beefcake covers. While there is certainly a segment of fandom that likes that sort of thing, I am not one of them, and there is a larger segment of fans that are put off by such things. I am not a fan of it, I don't read or participate in the thread any longer (I looked in on it when I was co-admin as I checked up on just about every thread then, but no longer since I don't have to any more) but I am not going to make a stink about it exiting. If it came to a vote, I would vote against it, but it is what it is. But it (along with a handful of other threads I won't get into) has dimmed my enthusiasm in trying to bring new folks to the site as my own participation has diminished from what it was over the past year as well. But then I have also found myself using the ignore list this at year, which I never thought I would have to prior to that, so it's not just the threads that have diminished my enthusiasm for the site. There's still enough I like to keep coming back...but we'll see how things go moving through this year. I should not that it's not just my enthusiasm for the site in particular, but for internet culture as a whole that has taken a beating over the last year. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 5, 2017 21:02:23 GMT -5
It's easy to complain about aspects of this community and cast judgments. I would ask someone to point me to an online community that's doing it better, or who can even offer constructive advice on what we should be doing differently. I'd sure like to know. And, in spite of there being threads here that I don't personally approve of, I still don't know of a more welcoming, tolerent, and fair comic book community on the net, even with its flaws.
Suggestions always welcome. We make it easy to contact the mod staff. But I've had about all I can take of people whining and complaining in generalizations about how the site has changed without offering any constructive suggestions of what should be done differently.
This isn't my community, and it isn't the mod team's. So anyone with a grievance should be asking themselves what they can do to help make this community better and then reach out to us and help find solutions. This place belongs to all of us. And some of us are killing ourselves trying to run it, maintain it, and grow it at significant personal cost to ourselves just so that we all have a home to talk comics.
How about being part of the solution?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 21:10:31 GMT -5
Suggestions always welcome. We make it easy to contact the mod staff. But I've had about all I can take of people whining and complaining in generalizations about how the site has changed without offering any constructive suggestions of what should be done differently. I can attest to this. When CBR changed I asked for new comic reviews to be done here. And thwhtguardian stepped up & helped get them started. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 5, 2017 21:11:24 GMT -5
Suggestions always welcome. We make it easy to contact the mod staff. But I've had about all I can take of people whining and complaining in generalizations about how the site has changed without offering any constructive suggestions of what should be done differently. I can attest to this. When CBR changed I asked for new comic reviews to be done here. And thwhtguardian stepped up & helped get them started. Thank you. For stepping up then and for speaking up now. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 5, 2017 21:24:57 GMT -5
The covers being posted are available to anyone for purchase. It's not porn and there's more things on TV that are far more offensive. Does your grandmother enjoy watching the soft porn that is the highlight of television broadcasting? As far as I can tell nobody has left this site because of the sexy cover thread like they have in the politics thread. I've had at least 6 people I recommended checking the site out to at con or stores that I followed up with who cited that thread as one of the major reasons why they didn't join and why they thought it was an uncomfortable place to be a female comics fan in, not all of whom were woman (none of them cited the politic thread as a reason for not joining by the way). Others declined because of unnamed threads they thought were problematic. Of the 15 or so people I have taken the time to share this site with and talked it up at shows, none have joined after checking it out or left shortly after they signed up without posting much. Those who are turned off by the thread but not already invested in the community are not likely to take the time to comment why on the site to give you your smoking gun of the negative impact of threads like that, and those that I did hear from, I got answers because I followed up on not because they went out of their way to tell me why. I haven't recommended the site to anyone in almost a year now because of the constant negative feedback to those kinds of threads I got. In my view, the thread started as a somewhat interesting discussion as to whether or not sexy covers influence purchasing habits (which is what the OP asked about, and degenerated into an excuse to post cheesecake and beefcake covers. While there is certainly a segment of fandom that likes that sort of thing, I am not one of them, and there is a larger segment of fans that are put off by such things. I am not a fan of it, I don't read or participate in the thread any longer (I looked in on it when I was co-admin as I checked up on just about every thread then, but no longer since I don't have to any more) but I am not going to make a stink about it exiting. If it came to a vote, I would vote against it, but it is what it is. But it (along with a handful of other threads I won't get into) has dimmed my enthusiasm in trying to bring new folks to the site as my own participation has diminished from what it was over the past year as well. But then I have also found myself using the ignore list this at year, which I never thought I would have to prior to that, so it's not just the threads that have diminished my enthusiasm for the site. There's still enough I like to keep coming back...but we'll see how things go moving through this year. I should not that it's not just my enthusiasm for the site in particular, but for internet culture as a whole that has taken a beating over the last year. -M The sexy cover thread gets a lot of hits daily, which to me means it's popular. If the mods or you want to delete it , it'll be okay. I will live . It looks like more people are offended by the politics thread. I don't care how many people you ask in a con. No one forces anyone to follow a thread. The politics thread IS bleeding into other threads. The sexy cover thread does not. Delete it , mrp. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 5, 2017 21:34:40 GMT -5
I am of two minds on this. I think the Politics Thread can be a useful place for serious discussion about the issues of the day and is a good place for folks on either side of the issues to voice their opinion so that the other side can get a glimpse into the mindset and thought process of where their "opposition" is coming from. However, as has happened too often lately, there are significant challenges with that thread. The level of hostility in that thread has risen to new heights and there is more fighting among members. As well, there are some members who have chosen to be quite passive-aggressive, taking a counterpoint made against them and turning it into an ongoing "bit" they put into many of their posts. In either case, it doesn't help the parties involved have a productive conversation but rather deepens the divide and causes too many bad feelings. I would hope that Jez would reconsider, because I find her to be engaging and her point of view on classic comics to be interesting. At the same time, I understand where she is coming from, and while it's easy to say "just ignore that thread", truth is that she knows what goes on in there and has unfortunately gotten to see an uglier side of some members than maybe she had before, which is going to affect how she interacts with them in other threads around the site. All we who stay can do is work to make the Politics Thread a place where meaningful discussion takes place absent of hostility, anger, and childish behavior. If we all act like adults, maybe we can have open and honest conversations that don't turn ugly, and that will help to retain members who don't feel welcome or safe here, regardless of their political position. I agree with a lot of what you have said. But for a lot of us who have put up with eight years of absolute bullshit from the right about a president who won both the popular and electoral vote decisively to suddenly hear that we need to be "understanding and reasonable" about a snake-oil salesman carnival barker who has the potential to be the worst thing to ever happen to the U.S. is a bit too much. He's something special because he "tells it like it is." But please don't have the audacity to "tell it like it is" if it's not part of the Trump echo-chamber. The hypocrisy is palpable. And as long as politics isn't verboten some of us are going to point out the hypocrisy. I hear you, but why are you taking out your frustration about how conservatives dealt with Barack Obama here on a comics board? You mention putting up with eight years of BS, but this site didn't exist that long ago, and from what I can recollect from the early days of the Politics thread, there didn't seem to be much, if any, Obama bashing going on. If your feelings about conservatives' treatment of Obama are so strong and you want to have open dialogue about Trump and consevative hypocrisy, why not do it in a place or on a site more suited for political discussions than here? It just seems out of place here, and as has been mentioned by more than a few people, it is having a negative impact on members of the community as well as the community as a whole. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 5, 2017 21:45:25 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of what you have said. But for a lot of us who have put up with eight years of absolute bullshit from the right about a president who won both the popular and electoral vote decisively to suddenly hear that we need to be "understanding and reasonable" about a snake-oil salesman carnival barker who has the potential to be the worst thing to ever happen to the U.S. is a bit too much. He's something special because he "tells it like it is." But please don't have the audacity to "tell it like it is" if it's not part of the Trump echo-chamber. The hypocrisy is palpable. And as long as politics isn't verboten some of us are going to point out the hypocrisy. I hear you, but why are you taking out your frustration about how conservatives dealt with Barack Obama here on a comics board? You mention putting up with eight years of BS, but this site didn't exist that long ago, and from what I can recollect from the early days of the Politics thread, there didn't seem to be much, if any, Obama bashing going on. If your feelings about conservatives' treatment of Obama are so strong and you want to have open dialogue about Trump and consevative hypocrisy, why not do it in a place or on a site more suited for political discussions than here? It just seems out of place here, and as has been mentioned by more than a few people, it is having a negative impact on members of the community as well as the community as a whole. All while being tolerant of the Trump supporters I suppose. When they shut up I'll shut up. Not before. But they won't shut up. They'll just whine and then run and hide when their precious feelings get hurt. All while talking about how tough and politically incorrect they are. I won't put up with hypocrisy. And I won't put up with fascists.  |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 5, 2017 21:58:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 22:02:57 GMT -5
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 5, 2017 22:14:18 GMT -5
I'm not on here as much due to my recent temporary relocation, but posters need to NOT post on subjects that could be otherwise addressed in other threads, especially the Politics thread.
Let's keep it civil people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 23:14:53 GMT -5
The sexy cover thread gets a lot of hits daily, which to me means it's popular. If the mods or you want to delete it , it'll be okay. I will live . It looks like more people are offended by the politics thread. I don't care how many people you ask in a con. No one forces anyone to follow a thread. The politics thread IS bleeding into other threads. The sexy cover thread does not. Delete it , mrp. I am not a mod or a admin any longer, I cannot delete anything except my own posts. You said the thread has never driven anyone away from the site, I simply informed you it has. You may not like that it has and try to justify it's existence otherwise, but it has kept people from becoming part of the community regardless of its popularity with some. Whether I personally like the thread or not, that doesn't change. I won't name names, but among those who have mentioned that thread as a reason they declined to join include 1 male comic convention promoter, 3 male comic shop owners, 2 female comic creators, 1 male comic creator, and a female who is one of the biggest Wonder Woman collectors I know. I didn't ask them about the thread, I invited them, to check out the site and when I spoke with them asked them what they thought and most of the answers were, it's not the kind of place for me, and when I asked why, they brought up threads that were unfriendly to female readers/collectors like the sexy covers threads and the like among others. If people want the thread, that's fine, it is easy enough for me to continue to ignore it, but the idea that it is not driving people away like the politics thread is, is wrong. -M |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 5, 2017 23:40:34 GMT -5
The sexy cover thread gets a lot of hits daily, which to me means it's popular. If the mods or you want to delete it , it'll be okay. I will live . It looks like more people are offended by the politics thread. I don't care how many people you ask in a con. No one forces anyone to follow a thread. The politics thread IS bleeding into other threads. The sexy cover thread does not. Delete it , mrp. I am not a mod or a admin any longer, I cannot delete anything except my own posts. You said the thread has never driven anyone away from the site, I simply informed you it has. You may not like that it has and try to justify it's existence otherwise, but it has kept people from becoming part of the community regardless of its popularity with some. Whether I personally like the thread or not, that doesn't change. I won't name names, but among those who have mentioned that thread as a reason they declined to join include 1 male comic convention promoter, 3 male comic shop owners, 2 female comic creators, 1 male comic creator, and a female who is one of the biggest Wonder Woman collectors I know. I didn't ask them about the thread, I invited them, to check out the site and when I spoke with them asked them what they thought and most of the answers were, it's not the kind of place for me, and when I asked why, they brought up threads that were unfriendly to female readers/collectors like the sexy covers threads and the like among others. If people want the thread, that's fine, it is easy enough for me to continue to ignore it, but the idea that it is not driving people away like the politics thread is, is wrong. -M Well said. The amount of hits it gets is irrelevant to the fact that it's purely a thread that objectifies women (like 95% of the times) as sex objects. That's the title of the thread. That is it's purpose. Porn sites are quite popular too but popularity does not mask their intentions. Any individual cover can seem to be relatively innocuous but lined up one after the other, on parade page after page is akin to a bunch of 13 year olds gathering around a sleaze magazine and giggling over the photos. At least with the politics thread, it deals with real life and can be an instrument for intelligent conversation. The Sexy Cover thread is just tease-a-rama |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 6, 2017 0:55:26 GMT -5
I will never contribute any posts to the sexy cover thread from this day forward, but it is a fact that the politics thread has driven away ACTUAL members of this site whereas you, mrp , says it drove away " potential " members , whatever that is. I'm not fighting for the right to " objectify" women. But it seems you and Ish Kabbible are fighting for the right for some of the regulars of the politics thread to continue to bully members of this forum. That thread is more a cancer to this forum than the other thread is.
Whatever, man.
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