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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 27, 2015 19:23:12 GMT -5
I guess I want my money back for that Transistor powered heart moniter that I purchased.... I'm not sure what that has to do with what Slam was saying...but to his point I have to agree, although the regular humans in comics are subject to gravity and they can drown and they bleed when pricked; those things hardly point to real world physics being a meaningful part of comics as they are just too basic. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 27, 2015 20:30:21 GMT -5
I guess I want my money back for that Transistor powered heart moniter that I purchased.... I'm not sure what that has to do with what Slam was saying...but to his point I have to agree, although the regular humans in comics are subject to gravity and they can drown and they bleed when pricked; those things hardly point to real world physics being a meaningful part of comics as they are just too basic. I don't want to split hairs but.... The questionable physics and reality only involve the superheroes and their origins. Banner became the Hulk because of radiation but others died because of radiation poisoning. Transistor powered objects was dropped after the 60's for more reasonable power sources. The fantasy elements are all make believe but they are set in a real world where people die from gunshot wounds and cancer. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 27, 2015 20:52:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure what that has to do with what Slam was saying...but to his point I have to agree, although the regular humans in comics are subject to gravity and they can drown and they bleed when pricked; those things hardly point to real world physics being a meaningful part of comics as they are just too basic. I don't want to split hairs but.... The questionable physics and reality only involve the superheroes and their origins. Banner became the Hulk because of radiation but others died because of radiation poisoning. Transistor powered objects was dropped after the 60's for more reasonable power sources. The fantasy elements are all make believe but they are set in a real world where people die from gunshot wounds and cancer. As I said though, the fact that the regular joes die of things like cancer or gun shot wounds doesn't illustrate the importance to real world physics in comics as those are just window dressings to give the illusion of reality. Things like the fact that Jim Gordon's squad car can take 90 degree turns after seemingly traveling at great speed and not lose control or fishtail into on coming traffic flies in the face of the laws of motion as we know them...and that's just one example, I could go on forever about how the basic laws of physics seem to be very different than out own. That the heroes exist against a backdrop of reality is just an illusion used to highlight the wonder of their abilities. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 27, 2015 21:03:13 GMT -5
I don't want to split hairs but.... The questionable physics and reality only involve the superheroes and their origins. Banner became the Hulk because of radiation but others died because of radiation poisoning. Transistor powered objects was dropped after the 60's for more reasonable power sources. The fantasy elements are all make believe but they are set in a real world where people die from gunshot wounds and cancer. As I said though, the fact that the regular joes die of things like cancer or gun shot wounds doesn't illustrate the importance to real world physics in comics as those are just window dressings to give the illusion of reality. Things like the fact that Jim Gordon's squad car can take 90 degree turns after seemingly traveling at great speed and not lose control or fishtail into on coming traffic flies in the face of the laws of motion as we know them...and that's just one example, I could go on forever about how the basic laws of physics seem to be very different than out own. That the heroes exist against a backdrop of reality is just an illusion used to highlight the wonder of their abilities. Yes, and you can argue the same physical dilemmas exist in your average cop show where mundane occurrences like traffic accidents are never seen. I'm saying that Superman, Wolverine , Spider-man and the like are placed in a real world where they are special and not subject to real world consequences unlike their supporting cast. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 27, 2015 21:26:22 GMT -5
As I said though, the fact that the regular joes die of things like cancer or gun shot wounds doesn't illustrate the importance to real world physics in comics as those are just window dressings to give the illusion of reality. Things like the fact that Jim Gordon's squad car can take 90 degree turns after seemingly traveling at great speed and not lose control or fishtail into on coming traffic flies in the face of the laws of motion as we know them...and that's just one example, I could go on forever about how the basic laws of physics seem to be very different than out own. That the heroes exist against a backdrop of reality is just an illusion used to highlight the wonder of their abilities. Yes, and you can argue the same physical dilemmas exist in your average cop show where mundane occurrences like traffic accidents are never seen. I'm saying that Superman, Wolverine , Spider-man and the like are placed in a real world where they are special and not subject to real world consequences unlike their supporting cast. They are special, but that doesn't make real world physics as we know them important parts of the storytelling. That sense of reality against which the heroes play out their various feuds is, as I said, but an illusion and its only as "real" as the stories require. If a car accident was required for the story than you'll seem Newton's laws in action...but otherwise its as if they don't exist at all, and the comparison to cop shows doesn't change anything as again they are fiction and although ostensibly they are portraying real life police action it's often in a way that isn't that much different than Batman in terms of reality. |
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Post by batlaw on Mar 28, 2015 0:05:38 GMT -5
Naturally many examples over the years and many personally for me over the last few years with new52 etc. But the worst and first that comes to mind was in the first couple issues of Neal Adams Batman: Odyssey. There's a scene where batman is shot multiple times and later he's treating the wounds. Problem is he's actually pulling spent casings out of his body... Not bullets. The series was crazy enough and hard to swallow but at that point I couldnt endure anymore and quit.
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 28, 2015 0:22:49 GMT -5
JUSTICE!!!!!
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 5, 2016 10:51:22 GMT -5
Immediately after the death of Supergirl following CRISIS, there's a Superman story where the hero chooses to tell Zor-El and Alura of their daughter's death by walking in on them, holding Supergirl's corpse decorously wrapped in his cape. The closing panel has a picture of the room's closed door, from which screams ("Yaahhh!") are resounding. And to think this was probably prepared from a full-script! Then there was the story which revealed that Supergirl, a couple of years before her death, had lost her memory in space, married some guy, then regained her memory but forgot about the husband and returned to Earth. Supposedly the story was done just because somebody at DC didn't want Supergirl to have died a virgin. I have to find that story. It's sounds utterly Craptastic ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 14:54:33 GMT -5
Then there was the story which revealed that Supergirl, a couple of years before her death, had lost her memory in space, married some guy, then regained her memory but forgot about the husband and returned to Earth. Supposedly the story was done just because somebody at DC didn't want Supergirl to have died a virgin. I have to find that story. It's sounds utterly Craptastic ! Superman #415  It's not that good, but it's not so bad it's good, either. Just a meh story, only for Supergirl completists who don't mind somebody crapping on the memory of a favorite character. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 5, 2016 17:15:16 GMT -5
"Mutants are a new species"
"Mutants can not reproduce anymore"
"Mutations manifest themselves at puberty"
all point to a deeply flawed understanding of what a mutation is.
Tye only time Marvel got it right, I think, is when Cyclops convinced a sentinel that all life on Earth consisted of mutations.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 5, 2016 18:19:14 GMT -5
"Mutants are a new species" "Mutants can not reproduce anymore" "Mutations manifest themselves at puberty" all point to a deeply flawed understanding of what a mutation is. Tye only time Marvel got it right, I think, is when Cyclops convinced a sentinel that all life on Earth consisted of mutations. That way lies madness. Comic book science is even worse than comic book law. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 5, 2016 18:41:02 GMT -5
"Mutants are a new species" "Mutants can not reproduce anymore" "Mutations manifest themselves at puberty" all point to a deeply flawed understanding of what a mutation is. Tye only time Marvel got it right, I think, is when Cyclops convinced a sentinel that all life on Earth consisted of mutations. That way lies madness. Comic book science is even worse than comic book law. Like the seemingly dozens of times that Batman got to testify in costume. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 5, 2016 18:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by lobsterjohnson on Mar 5, 2016 19:26:18 GMT -5
What, you don't like Lobster Johnson?  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 6, 2016 9:50:16 GMT -5
That way lies madness. Comic book science is even worse than comic book law. Like the seemingly dozens of times that Batman got to testify in costume. As well as all the times a super-hero or super-villain was put in jail while wearing it! |
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