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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 12:12:39 GMT -5
"Most deadliest?"
hmmm...
I don't think I'd rate him higher than more deadlier.That's from you Prince Hal. Prince Hal ... Prince Hal, this villain is a filler and a joke to me and when I did my countdown for these villain(s) my list originally had 49 villains and I needed one more to round off this list and I selected Kite Man because I vaguely remember reading him in the 60's. Please read the entry in my original post and you can see why I put him in this countdown at #48. Sorry, that I've confuse you in the first place. This villain is a joke to me and I'm using him as a scapegoat to help you understand the villain that I'm sharing to you. Every villain that I select in this thread is based on my own experience reading Batman from 1939 to 1999. Every villain that I select here after this one is in my opinion is the next deadliest and having said that and there are some exception to the rule and I will try my best to explain that. This isn't an easy thread for me to do and it's will be a challenge for me to explain why I select these villains to all of you here.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 22, 2016 13:58:47 GMT -5
"Most deadliest?"
hmmm...
I don't think I'd rate him higher than more deadlier.That's from you Prince Hal. Prince Hal ... Prince Hal, this villain is a filler and a joke to me and when I did my countdown for these villain(s) my list originally had 49 villains and I needed one more to round off this list and I selected Kite Man because I vaguely remember reading him in the 60's. Please read the entry in my original post and you can see why I put him in this countdown at #48. Sorry, that I've confuse you in the first place. This villain is a joke to me and I'm using him as a scapegoat to help you understand the villain that I'm sharing to you. Every villain that I select in this thread is based on my own experience reading Batman from 1939 to 1999. Every villain that I select here after this one is in my opinion is the next deadliest and having said that and there are some exception to the rule and I will try my best to explain that. This isn't an easy thread for me to do and it's will be a challenge for me to explain why I select these villains to all of you here. I think he was making a grammar-related joke. Grammatically, it would be "most deadly" or "deadliest." OR "more deadly" or "deadlier." So he was just making an observational joke about the title, not anything criticizing your personal list. Thank you, Wesley. You're the bestest friend a grammar nerd could have.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 22, 2016 16:27:11 GMT -5
A Triple Play, Three Gorgeous Dames of Crime44 Dragon Fly 45 Silken Spider 46 Tiger MothNote: Identities of these three villains are unknown to me at the time that I read this book of which they made their first appearance in a Batman Comic Book. I love these three. That story in Batman #181 is just so insane, like an episode of the 1960s Batman TV show gone seriously off the rails.
Ruta Lee could be Tiger Moth, Deanna Lund could be Silken Spider, and Sherry Jackson could be Dragon Fly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 10:58:41 GMT -5
Batman 181 Summary Review Three Dames fighting for Number 1 with interference with Poison IvyNote to AllI'm not going to showcase Poison Ivy and this is her 1st appearance and later on in this countdown - I will handle Batman 181 a bit differently of which Poison Ivy is involved in. Batman 181 ... Contains the first appearances of Dragon Fly, Silken Spider, and Tiger Moth. Basic Review of Batman 181Basically this story of which involves the three deadly villains of which they are all dames in their own evil ways to settle the score of who is Public Enemy Number One. It's involves them going to a neutral site (Possibly Gotham City Museum) of which each of the three dames in crime with their own teams (Henchmen) trying to stead a priceless crown and rightfully claim to be Number One Public Enemy. That's pretty sums up the story that I can share to you! I find this story quite full of action, drama, and gorgeous ladies of crime, imagine having these three dames (all of them evil) and the appearance of a knockout of a redhead by the name of Poison Ivy that really put the icing on the cake so to speak here and giving Batman and Robin a dose of feminine wiles that made them edgy and puts them in spot that they have a hard time dealing with them. I just find this story a fun, weird, unusual, and one of the popular stories in the early days of the Silver Age of Comics. Hoosier XGave me food for thought and this story could have been an inspiration for a Batman TV Show entitled "The Devil's Fingers" and followed by "The Dead Ringer" of which three phantoms of crime that assist Chandell / Harry being played by Liberace.
Left to Right:Edy Williams as Rae, Marilyn Hanold as Roe, and Sivi Aberg as Mimi. Sorry for not finding great color pictures and I consider the COLOR pictures in the Internet inferior. I'm moving onto Number 43 and because I'm head of schedule - I will share that the day after Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 13:27:25 GMT -5
#43, Crime Doctor, Matthew ThorneHis First Appearance: Detective Comics #77 This villain qualifies to be a very deadly villain because of his sadistic ways of torturing his victims and more information about his torture will be available tomorrow. I consider Matthew more deadly than his brother Rupert of whom I felt not worthy on this list for personal reasons that I rather not share at all because I just have a hard time figuring out. I know that there is a female version of the Crime Doctor by the name of Anica Balcescu of which I have no understanding of and wasn't aware that there were a 2nd character by that Name. I'm very much aware that there were a Crime Doctor in Batman, The Animated Series and I find it one of my least favorite show that came on that time and did not care for it because the way they presented it when they abducted Dr. Leslie Thompkins a dear close friend of Batman and that's made it very difficult for Batman to deal with and the show wasn't done right to me. Anyway, I just wanted to point that out to all of you and I prefer the original Golden Age Version pictured above along with Detective Comics #77 of which I'm planning on covering for more of that tomorrow - rather late. Here's an excellent Link to the Story that showcases Detective Comics #77 Detective Comics #77 More Coming Tomorrow on the villainous Crime Doctor!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 9:18:21 GMT -5
Crime Doctor Continued ...Because of having dual career of being a criminal and a doctor - it's often conflicts his value on the oath of being a surgeon ... The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. From WikipediaOne of his duties as a criminal he often fixes up Criminals that often get injured while performing evil deeds for a price so that they don't have to go to a regular hospital and/or clinic to get patched up and that's one of the many benefits that he performs while fighting against the law in his own right. He gets tangled up on Batman on several undisclosed moments and one time I heard that he even fix up Robin by performing emergency surgery that makes certain criminals angry that he actually saved the boy life in one event in the life of the Dynamic Duo. He quite sadistic with certain individuals using his medical knowledge to extract pain beyond any human can take and that alone makes him quite deadly to those who opposes him. This practice is often repeats itself and that alone make him worthy in this countdown. He is one of the most challenging character to write because of his two careers - as a criminal and a doctor. It's gives him much needed depth to analyze his character that's quite challenging one to write because of unpredictable elements that he brings to the table so it's speaks. He is an expert in consulting lower end criminals to perform acts of crime and that alone makes Batman's job a whole lot harder to control and that's why he gives the Caped Crusader all that he can handle. That's another area that most comic book readers do not know and you'll be surprised how many of them do not know this. I do know that because because of reading other adventures (of which were very few of them) that he was involved in along with his brother Rupert Thorne who I consider a joke and not a favorite of mine at all. His brother is a die hard criminal and Rupert is nothing short of a man that have others to do the dirty work. That's kills Rupert on this list. Having learned all this and you can see why he's crafty, deadly, and have all sort of problems dealing with the Hippocratic Oath and dealing with his own enemies that often don't see things his way. A client of his got so angry with him and he was shot to death (Story Unknown) because in those days the concept of malpractice suits was unheard of. Three excellent You Tube Clips on the Crime Doctor and find them quite fascinating and I just watched them last night and came away quite informative about his career as a criminal and a doctor at the same time. This is all I have about the Crime Doctor - Bradford Thorne. #42 is Next and that's coming in a day or two.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 9:21:52 GMT -5
#42, Nocturna, Natalia KnightFirst Appearance: Batman 363 Tomorrow, I will share a two part origin story from the Internet dealing with Nocturna that all of you will enjoy seeing this damsel that has a capacity to commit crimes. I'm dealing with Natalia Knight only and I do not know anything about Natalie Metternich at all and I will not be discussing her at all. Anyway, back to Natalia she is an unique woman that has the passion for the stars - astronomy and spent most of her time at night stargazing and stuff related to that because it's interest her the most besides committing crimes that are unspeakable. I consider her a step below Catwoman in a different perspective and I consider Catwoman much more deadlier than her. Both loves to commit crimes at Night for different reasons. She is an martial artist having spent time in Asia studying the various crafts there and use those crafts for evil and she used them quite effectively and that's why I consider her one of the better hand to hand combatant in the world of crime. The main reason why she does all her crimes at night is one day at Gotham City Observatory. While working there one night, she became victim to a radioactive laser, which drained her skin of all pigment. It also rendered her sensitive to light and having said that she resorts in crimes to pay for it because it was very expensive to control it. Before she got hit by this laser - she was gainfully employed there because of her desires to learn more about the stars - hence astronomy. Before all this she was adopted by Charles Knight and while she was begging - he changed her lifestyle and surrounded her with a life of luxury and extravagance that seems to do her good and thanked him for taking her in. She was a beautiful lady and she and Bruce Wayne dated for awhile and they were a hot couple and item to discuss in the Gotham City Elite. This is a panel from Batman 363.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 9:29:51 GMT -5
Beauty of Nocturna, Natalia KnightAnother Panel from Batman 363 and you can see she has that Movie Star Look and you can see why Bruce was attracted to her in the first place and that's why I consider her an underrated character that needs to be used more and I find her a fascinating character to learn more from. Drop Dead Gorgeous Here. If she had a good writer and learn more from her - she could give Catwoman a run for her money and I find her very seductive and charming and that's why she is a favorite of mine in a lesser degree. Tomorrow, the Origin Story of Nocturna.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 11:56:53 GMT -5
Nocturna - In Batman, The Animated SeriesFrom WikipediaNocturna was scheduled to appear in an episode of Batman: The Animated Series as a vampire, but the episode was canceled after Fox censors objected to the storyline, which would have involved Batman being turned into a vampire and craving human blood. Producer Alan Burnett later recounted the events by saying "We also wanted to do a Nocturna story – Bruce had drawn a hot model of her - but she’s a vampire, which would’ve involved bloodletting, which was a huge no-no for kids TV."The above in italic is from Wikipedia. From MeI was very disappointed in Warner's Brothers in making her into a vampire and doing the story like this and making another creepy version of a female vampire that Fox censored it after an initial viewing. I talked to a friend of mine who knows a member of Fox Animation that this episode would be too much for a kid at seven or so to fathom it and would had received at TV-14 rating if it was aired and would had a warning that this show would been one of the most controversial cartoon ever shown on television. I just shocked to learn that and it would had boost this character prominence and hopefully get back into the spotlight once more and having said that; I learned from my friend that Alan Burnett would not accept it at all. He (Alan Burnett) was very disappointed in Warner's decision to do this show that was described in the Wikipedia section of this post that I've shared with you. I really want her to be a part of Batman, The Animated Series and not knowing that she is making an appearance it's made this fan of this character very disappointing indeed.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 27, 2016 12:33:22 GMT -5
They should never ever try to resurrect Nocturna or revamp the character in any way. The Nocturna storyline in Batman in the 1980s had a baffling Bronze-Age beauty to it, and the way she just floated away in a hot-air balloon, disappearing into the crimson clouds that the Crisis cast over the DC Universe, it was a beautiful moment that, to me, has always been the official end of the Bronze Age.
They will never recapture that. If they want a female vampire character, just come up with a new character.
Or use Dala!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 6:45:26 GMT -5
Origin of NocturnaFrom MeThis is a cut and paste from Information from the internet onto this post. I do know that in Batman 363 that she was first introduced and in Detective Comics #529 was the first story line involving her. I did not read much of Detective Comics after #200 and beyond because I was focusing on Batman Comics - like Batman #363 that contains the origin story of Nocturna. To be honest here my memory of Nocturna is vague in Detective Comics and fairly good with Batman Comics and I hate when DC Comics tries to overlapped the two. Also, I did not care for Jason Todd as being Robin at that point and that's kind of killed my love of Batman Comics when Jason Todd was involved as Robin. I never got the hang of it when Jason Todd was ROBIN. Anyway, I just wanted to let you all know that. Nocturna OriginNote: Cut and Paste now in effect. The cover of Batman 363 (Sept. 83) proclaims the introduction of Nocturna, but in fact she, and the Thief of Night, had both debuted in the previous issue of Detective Comics. Still, the pair are at the core of the Moench, Newton and Alcala story, and their combined origins are told in this issue. Lucius Fox introduces Bruce Wayne to Natalia Knight at a party at Wayne Manor. Vicki Vale, already in a stressed relationship with Bruce, sees the two of them together and storms out. The Thief of Night bursts in, robbing the guests, which Jason Todd spots from the staircase (too young to join the party, but old enough to spy on it). Batman already is aware that Nocturna and the Thief of Night are working together, and heads to Natalia Knight’s apartment. She does not even try to deny her involvement, but explains her impovershed past, and being taken in, adopted and trained by Charles Knight, a successful thief, until he was killed by gangsters. After Batman leaves, we get the other part of the story, that the Thief of Night was Charles Knight’s son, Anton, who quickly fell in love with his “sister,” and turned to crime to support her. Jason Todd attempts to force Batman into allowing him onto the case, as he has discovered where Nocturna and the Thief have their secret base. Batman is not at all impressed, but forces the boy to reveal his information, about their observatory. Unhappy with everything, Jason sneaks away from Wayne Manor that night. The story continues in the next issue of Detective.From Me.I'm assuming Detective 529And, I don't like to assume that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 7:00:20 GMT -5
Detective Comics #529Note to All: I never, ever read this book in my life and that's why I wasn't into Detective Comics at all at that point of my life in the early 80's. In Detective 529 (Aug. 83), Doug Moench, Gene Colan and Dick Giordano introduce the Thief of Night, and Nocturna, both of whom will play major roles in this series over the next couple of years. The Thief of Night is garbed completely in black, not even his face is visible, and for this debut, we only see him unmasked on the last couple of pages. He is better at eluding Batman than fighting him. Colan’s art is perfect for this character. Jason Todd appears, eager to go into action, but told he will not be allowed to. Bruce Wayne winds up ditching Vicki Vale in the middle of a date to pursue the Thief of Night, but doesn’t manage to catch him. On the last page, we see the Thief unmasked, and the white hand of Nocturna. We also see a really pissed off Vicki Vale, and Jason Todd threatening to run away back to the circus. Joey Cavalieri, Paris Cullins and Frank Giacoia conclude the Ozone story in this issue. Rick reveals how much he knows about Z.Z.Z., the secret government science organization, and the destructive things they have created – such as Ozone’s weaponry. He is the son of the founder of the group. Green Arrow defeats Ozone with a high pressure arrow that causes all of his spray cans to explode. Remarkably, as they are hanging from his belt, this does not seriously maim, or kill him. But Green Arrow has little trouble with him after that. From MeFirst of all, I do not know anything about Ozone and I did not realize that Green Arrow was involved as well. Having painfully aware that I did not read Detective Comics #529 and I'm sorry to report this but I had to share this to cover my bases and I don't want anyone here thinking that I'm right or not. I'm done with Nocturna and moving on to Number #41.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 28, 2016 9:21:31 GMT -5
Thanks for all the information on Nocturna, Jugger. I will try and check these issues out. I have not heard of this character before but she sounds like an interesting read.
While I can see where WB's wouldn't have wanted to use her in a kid's show for what she is, I was a teenager watching TAS so it wouldn't have bothered me. And that concept art is a perfect look for her in TAS style. Maybe we could have had a Nocturna vs Catwoman. :-)
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 28, 2016 11:07:36 GMT -5
Thanks for all the information on Nocturna, Jugger. I will try and check these issues out. I have not heard of this character before but she sounds like an interesting read. While I can see where WB's wouldn't have wanted to use her in a kid's show for what she is, I was a teenager watching TAS so it wouldn't have bothered me. And that concept art is a perfect look for her in TAS style. Maybe we could have had a Nocturna vs Catwoman. :-) Nocturna is AWESOME! I've been reading Batman on and off for more than 40 years, with several lengthy periods where I was picking up every issue brand-new off the racks for YEARS! And my favorite period for off-the-rack Batman is the early 1980s from about Batman #340 to #400 and Detective Comics #511 to about #570. It was really amazing to pick up those comics every two weeks (because the continuity ran directly from Batman to Detective and back for most of that period) in the 1980s. And a big part of the success of that run can be attributed to Nocturna. (And writer Doug Moench, artists Don Newton and Gene Colan and Pat Broderick, Black Mask, Harvey Bullock, Jason Todd, Killer Croc, Catwoman ... a bunch of stuff.) I read it all the way through over a few weeks just two or three years ago and I feel like I'm overdue to do it again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 9:29:08 GMT -5
#41 Calendar Girl, Page MonroeOne of very few characters that solely got her reputation on an animated cartoon - Batman, The Animated Series and I consider her one of the most unique character on that cartoon show and I find her irresistible for a character that defines what she really is. I consider her a tragic one and bitter one and most of all that made her a very complex and unforgiving character that made her evil and full of deception. That's Page Monroe as Calendar Girl. Watch this You Tube Clip - it's under 8 minutes long and it's really recap her quite nicely and I find it very fascinating of how this gentleman explained Calendar Girl so good and I find it straight to the point. I agree with him on all aspect of this character that I consider deadly by design. Short Link of Calendar Girl that pretty sums up this fascinating character on that animated cartoon. Calendar Girl Sorry that I did not give out much information about this character because it was an one time thing and I have seen that cartoon about 3-4 times in the past and it's gave me a lasting impression on me because the way this cartoon was made. This cartoon shown by the two clips below is one of the better cartoons on Batman, The Animated Series because it was explosive and full of action that both Batman and Batgirl fought together and I find her tragic and not happy with herself that made her evil and full of hate and that alone made her very deadly. These clips are excellent to watch and I find them quite good and I just wanted to share these to all of you here. Note to Members and GuestsWhat about Calendar Man?I've did not read much about him and having said that - I find this character pictured in Detective Comics #259 not my cup of tea and when I was a kid I find these characters too bizarre and too out of place and did not care for them at all. The later one who had that Hannibal Lecter attitude of what I was told by my friends at my Local Comic Book Store that I go to occasionally is not my cup of tea either and I did not consider him at all. To me, both of these characters especially one in Detective Comics #259 doesn't do any justice for me and that's why I dropped him from my list of 50 of the Deadliest Villains in Batman History. This is all that I going to share on Calendar Girl and Calendar Man today and I'm moving onto Number #40 on my countdown.
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