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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 15:10:28 GMT -5
I'm getting it next month or two ... Savage She-hulk MMW #1.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 18, 2017 15:18:03 GMT -5
I might be missing something but , this series seems like a throwaway attempt to lock the "She Hulk " name down. I'm shocked that anyone is looking forward to this collection.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 18, 2017 15:39:10 GMT -5
Bit of a stretch to call it a masterwork, but I did enjoy what I've read of the series. I'm glad to see it collected, though I'd have preferred an omnibus.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 18, 2017 17:07:38 GMT -5
Trying to pass it off as a masterwork is as laughable as the earlier black and white reprint describing it as essential. Well, not really. If you're a fan of the series and character, I can definitely see that you'd call a collection of these issues a "masterwork". To some, the idea of any comic book being described as a masterwork or essential is utterly laughable. Luckily, we're a bit more enlightened than that here, But I don't see much difference between giving She-Hulk the Masterworks treatment and, say, Venus or the Rawhide Kid. Bill Everett is generally considered one of the best non-EC horror artist to work in comics *ever* - honestly, I think Mike Mignola is his only competition in American comics - and Venus is some of his best work. (Note that the best of Everett's stuff never actually got reprinted, *eyeroll* *eyeroll* *eyeroll* *eyeroll*.) Rawhide Kid was Kirby and Jack Davis. She Hulk was... David Anthony Kraft and Alan Kupperberg? I am fine with the existence of a She-Hulk Masterworks, but I think Venus is orders of magnitude more historically important and *better* comix. |
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Post by RikerDonegal on Aug 18, 2017 20:36:45 GMT -5
Reading She-Hulk at the moment, for the first time. Up as far as issue 9. Definitely one of the weaker Marvel series. Stiff unrealistic dialogue, abrasive regular characters, and the sort of story logic that one normally only sees in Saturday morning cartoons.
But when the eventual Epic comes out, I'll buy it.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 19, 2017 7:11:51 GMT -5
She Hulk was... David Anthony Kraft and Alan Kupperberg? DAK and Mike Vosburg, after the first issue by Stan Lee and John Buscema. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 19, 2017 17:24:52 GMT -5
She Hulk was... David Anthony Kraft and Alan Kupperberg? DAK and Mike Vosburg, after the first issue by Stan Lee and John Buscema. Thank you! She was (I think) the first major character that Stan created for Marvel. That's something. |
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Post by rom on Dec 12, 2018 14:18:37 GMT -5
FYI, I am glad to hear that Marvel will be completing the original Savage She Hulk series with a 2nd MMW, scheduled to come out in Summer 2019: www.collectededitions.com/mar...hulk_mm02.htmlBeen looking forward to this for a while - I hoped that they would finish out the series (started with the first MMW in 2017), but with MMW you never know, since sometimes the line gets stalled. In any case, really looking forward to this volume. Savage is actually my favorite She-hulk series. I don't like the later "breaking of the fourth wall" series by Byrne (even though I'm a huge fan of Byrne's art), and really liked this initial much more "savage" take on the character. I'm not going to pretend that SSH was a masterpiece by any means. The villains & storylines were, in many cases, somewhat cheesy. However, my nostalgia for the early '80's has a lot to do with my love of the series - I remember reading many of these issues as they came out. Also, these comics utilized my favorite She Hulk "outfit" (for lack of a better word). I.e., I felt the torn white shirt/pants was a lot more "organic" than the later uniforms she wore. |
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Post by badwolf on Dec 12, 2018 14:28:39 GMT -5
I continue to buy back issues of this series when I come across them. I enjoy the writing style of the time, and I think Vosburg is underrated. Apart from the first issue, they are fairly inexpensive.
It's also interesting to see how much the character has changed.
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Post by rom on May 23, 2019 20:10:20 GMT -5
Just got this SSH MMW #2. Great volume! Paging through this brings back memories, since I had (past tense) most of these floppies back in the day.
I'm amused at the "caliber" (ha ha) of super-villains Shulkie has to fight, i.e. "The Grappler", "Radius", "Man Elephant", etc. These stories are so cheesy I need crackers - ha ha. That being said, I really dig the early '80's vibe, and the art - while not great - really fits the story/characters.
Also like the inclusion of MTIO #88, where SH teams up with The Thing. I had forgotten this issue was included in here - nice "extra".
SSH has been on my list of titles I have wanted reprinted in color for years, so it's great that we finally got this done-in-two.
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Post by badwolf on May 23, 2019 20:52:59 GMT -5
Been looking forward to this for a while - I hoped that they would finish out the series (started with the first MMW in 2017), but with MMW you never know, since sometimes the line gets stalled. In any case, really looking forward to this volume. Savage is actually my favorite She-hulk series. I don't like the later "breaking of the fourth wall" series by Byrne (even though I'm a huge fan of Byrne's art), and really liked this initial much more "savage" take on the character. I'm also a huge fan of Byrne but I think the She-Hulk series was one of his weakest works. The first few issues were pretty good, with Mysterio and the Headmen, but the jokes quickly wore thin, and by the time she met Santa Claus and went off into space, I was done. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 4:37:05 GMT -5
I quite like his She-Hulk work, but then there's also the fact it was very different to the She-Hulk I'd read in various Avengers tales and her solo title.
So it's a bit hollow when he, say, criticised Dan Slott for his changes. I am a John Byrne fan, but he made a lot of changes to his characters, e.g. Namor becoming a mogul and the Vision becoming white. When others do the same, he is often critical.
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Post by badwolf on May 24, 2019 9:25:09 GMT -5
I guess it depends on what the changes are. What did Dan Slott do?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 10:36:27 GMT -5
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Post by badwolf on May 24, 2019 11:58:05 GMT -5
I agree with Slott that you really can't judge a book before its even came out, but I also agree with Byrne about the illusion of change.
I don't think I mind Peter making some money off developing technology, as long as he doesn't become, as they said, the next Tony Stark. What has Peter really invented, besides the webbing? If he sells that, he's no longer unique, and there are 20 other Spider-People running around, including villains, and we're back to Armor Wars. Web Wars.
I never really saw Spider-Man or his comic as "gloomy." Maybe in the earliest (Ditko) years, when he was constantly put upon, but once he hit college things started to look up. He had friends and a series of girlfriends. Sure, Aunt May was a burden and he had bills to pay, but we've all got stuff like that. Now the X-Men in the JRJR era and beyond... <I>that's</i> gloomy.
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