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Post by shaxper on Feb 10, 2017 14:17:14 GMT -5
What books/runs did you enjoy the first time that just didn't hold up to multiple readings?
For me, this happens most with books that provide a mystery and solution that, while seeming brilliant the first time around, ultimately ended up not making much sense. A few books that I experienced this with include Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers of Victory and Jeph Loeb's Batman: The Long Halloween. Wish I could even remember what I found wrong with the internal logic on those books, but since I don't re-read them anymore, I've long since forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 14:43:13 GMT -5
I have two recent Runs that I did not like at all after reading for the 2nd and/or 3rd time. Brian Azzarello's Wonder Woman and Batgirl (shown below) Adventures  I had both of them to begin with and after re-reading both them later on - I ended up getting rid of Wonder Woman because I did not care for Brian's assessment of this iconic DC Character. I just find the stories not my taste and the Batgirl Adventures was geared to a younger audience that did not hold me together when I read it later on when I got a chance to do so. I've no problem getting rid of Wonder Woman because I know some fans of Azzarello's at the Comic Book Store that I go to; Batgirl Adventures - it's took me awhile to get it sold and I told the Store Owner sell all the books and give me Store Credit. These two the only one that I can think of and I've probably think of others later on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 17:45:08 GMT -5
Special ConsiderationJustice League Dark At certain point when they made a big change to the roster and I just can't remember who got booted out and who replaces who. But, this lineup in the picture above was relevant to me and makes a lot of sense to me and I used to re-read them from my Comixology Account of which I had for a couple of years until my friend decided to cancel it because we felt that Online/Digital is not the way to go. When, they made even more changes - it's made this Comic Book even more abandoned and therefore un-readable to me and my dear friend Jeff. So, Justice League Dark became a don't read book really fast.I don't have any floppies of this book any more including the 1st Edition of which was my first digital comic book that I ever read in my life. I loved the first 6 to 8 issues of this Justice League Team of which I was fond of and then the changes that they made - made it both un-readable and not be re-read at all. I was sad because I love it at the beginning only the first 6 to 8 issues.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 10, 2017 18:22:34 GMT -5
The first book that came to mind was America vs. the Justice Society. Even though I have it in my collection, I can't foresee any circumstance in which I would voluntarily reread this dire title (unless, of course, Roy decides he needs me to write about it again, because money talks). Bad enough that it has all that muddy, poorly composed art but the plot is entirely nonsensical and the dialogue is Mr. T at his excruciatingly expository worst.
Cei-U!
I summon the turkey!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 10, 2017 19:01:37 GMT -5
The first book that came to mind was America vs. the Justice Society. Even though I have it in my collection, I can't foresee any circumstance in which I would voluntarily reread this dire title (unless, of course, Roy decides he needs me to write about it again, because money talks). Bad enough that it has all that muddy, poorly composed art but the plot is entirely nonsensical and the dialogue is Mr. T at his excruciatingly expository worst. Cei-U! I summon the turkey! It is absolutely horrible. |
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Post by lobsterjohnson on Feb 10, 2017 20:46:47 GMT -5
What books/runs did you enjoy the first time that just didn't hold up to multiple readings? For me, this happens most with books that provide a mystery and solution that, while seeming brilliant the first time around, ultimately ended up not making much sense. A few books that I experienced this with include Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers of Victory and Jeph Loeb's Batman: The Long Halloween. Wish I could even remember what I found wrong with the internal logic on those books, but since I don't re-read them anymore, I've long since forgotten. I actually already knew the solutions to the mysteries in Long Halloween and Dark Victory, because I had read about them in my beloved Batman encyclopedia first. I haven't re-read them for a while, but I do look back on those books quite fondly, as they were some of the earliest ones I read when I first got into comics. I guess Batman: Hush is one that I initially really liked, but I didn't like it as much upon re-read (and also another mystery that the encyclopedia spoiled for me). |
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 13, 2017 12:46:30 GMT -5
The first book that came to mind was America vs. the Justice Society. Even though I have it in my collection, I can't foresee any circumstance in which I would voluntarily reread this dire title (unless, of course, Roy decides he needs me to write about it again, because money talks). Bad enough that it has all that muddy, poorly composed art but the plot is entirely nonsensical and the dialogue is Mr. T at his excruciatingly expository worst. Cei-U! I summon the turkey! It is absolutely horrible. And I so wanted to enjoy it. Dreadful. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 15, 2017 13:57:05 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it the first time around. I guess it was a history lesson for fans who didn't know Golden Age DC.
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 15, 2017 17:10:20 GMT -5
The first book that came to mind was America vs. the Justice Society. Even though I have it in my collection, I can't foresee any circumstance in which I would voluntarily reread this dire title (unless, of course, Roy decides he needs me to write about it again, because money talks). Bad enough that it has all that muddy, poorly composed art but the plot is entirely nonsensical and the dialogue is Mr. T at his excruciatingly expository worst. Cei-U! I summon the turkey! It is absolutely horrible. I still rather like it. What's wrong with it? I'm a continuity freak, so it's really everything I could wish for...  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 10:16:31 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it the first time around. I guess it was a history lesson for fans who didn't know Golden Age DC. That's very true and I'm reminded people at the Comic Book Store that I go to - that where it's pretty much all it's begins and many of them aren't aware of it. I reminded many people to explore that Era and to me it's my favorite Era of reading books and that's why I snatch up many of the DC Archives containing Golden Age Heroes. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 19, 2017 18:10:10 GMT -5
It is absolutely horrible. I still rather like it. What's wrong with it? I'm a continuity freak, so it's really everything I could wish for... The "mystery" was utter nonsense. The reason for it made no sense, especially since it was freakin' Batman that made the thing up. I was just stupid. Absolutely nothing happened in four issues. Not one thing. It was like reading a very uninteresting alt-history book...with all the action taken out. It was Thomas at his most verbose as a scripter and his most anal retentive as a historian. And he didn't manage to be interesting in either role. It was a complete and utter mess. |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 19, 2017 18:15:19 GMT -5
I still rather like it. What's wrong with it? I'm a continuity freak, so it's really everything I could wish for... The "mystery" was utter nonsense. The reason for it made no sense, especially since it was freakin' Batman that made the thing up. I was just stupid. Absolutely nothing happened in four issues. Not one thing. It was like reading a very uninteresting alt-history book...with all the action taken out. It was Thomas at his most verbose as a scripter and his most anal retentive as a historian. And he didn't manage to be interesting in either role. It was a complete and utter mess. It wasn't. It was a fascinating and well crafted exercise in pulling a lot of stories together into a cohesive history. I think you and I look for very different things in a story. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 20, 2017 16:19:09 GMT -5
The "mystery" was utter nonsense. The reason for it made no sense, especially since it was freakin' Batman that made the thing up. I was just stupid. Absolutely nothing happened in four issues. Not one thing. It was like reading a very uninteresting alt-history book...with all the action taken out. It was Thomas at his most verbose as a scripter and his most anal retentive as a historian. And he didn't manage to be interesting in either role. It was a complete and utter mess. It wasn't. It was a fascinating and well crafted exercise in pulling a lot of stories together into a cohesive history. I think you and I look for very different things in a story. Slam's right. I forced myself to reread this last year. The final three issues were like castor oil. And this is from someone who really wanted that series to be great. The covers are excellent, though. I guess we have to agree to disagree. This is Roy at his worst: the complete opposite of fascinating and well crafted. The plot is a convoluted mess, the art uninspired, the motive unclear. I want to say that Roy needed more time and space to tell the story because it's all so rushed and crushed, but the problem with Roy when he gets like this is that his lack of disciplined storytelling expands to fill the number of issues he's given. |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 20, 2017 18:36:30 GMT -5
It wasn't. It was a fascinating and well crafted exercise in pulling a lot of stories together into a cohesive history. I think you and I look for very different things in a story. Slam's right. I forced myself to reread this last year. The final three issues were like castor oil. And this is from someone who really wanted that series to be great. The covers are excellent, though. I guess we have to agree to disagree. This is Roy at his worst: the complete opposite of fascinating and well crafted. The plot is a convoluted mess, the art uninspired, the motive unclear. I want to say that Roy needed more time and space to tell the story because it's all so rushed and crushed, but the problem with Roy when he gets like this is that his lack of disciplined storytelling expands to fill the number of issues he's given. He's not right. Neither are you. This series remains one of my favourite DC titles, regardless of how many seem not to appreciate it. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 20, 2017 18:46:08 GMT -5
Slam's right. I forced myself to reread this last year. The final three issues were like castor oil. And this is from someone who really wanted that series to be great. The covers are excellent, though. I guess we have to agree to disagree. This is Roy at his worst: the complete opposite of fascinating and well crafted. The plot is a convoluted mess, the art uninspired, the motive unclear. I want to say that Roy needed more time and space to tell the story because it's all so rushed and crushed, but the problem with Roy when he gets like this is that his lack of disciplined storytelling expands to fill the number of issues he's given. e's not right. Neither are you. This series remains one of my favourite DC titles, regardless of how many seem not to appreciate it. I enjoyed it but here was a underlying reason that Batman wrote about the JSA adventures, I think he was trying to solve a mystery from beyond the grave. I hope I'm remembering correctly. |
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