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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 25, 2017 10:58:19 GMT -5
I blame the failure of Last Stand on its director, a Randian Objectivist who doesn't believe in heroes or altruism (hence, Xavier's change from benevolent father figure to manipulative a-hole). Its one saving grace, in my opinion, was the spot-on casting of Kelsey Grammer as Beast.
Cei-U!
Oh, my stars and garters!
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Post by badwolf on Mar 25, 2017 14:51:25 GMT -5
Unlike the first two films, I've never re-watched Last Stand and I haven't seen it since it was in the theatre, so I don't remember a lot of the finer details, but the two major bad aspects of it that I recall were:
1. TOO MANY CHARACTERS. This is typical of sequels as they get further down the line.
2. Why did they decide to marry the Dark Phoenix saga with the "cure" storyline that happened over 20 years later in the comics? They have nothing to do with each other and it's obvious in the film. PICK ONE!
There were probably a lot of smaller things that I don't really recall, but if the above aspects had been addressed, it might have at least been an okay movie.
I did like one thing. The scene where they visit the place where Cyclops was apparently killed, and his visor and other objects are floating around was eerie and beautiful in a dark way. Well done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 16:23:37 GMT -5
Unlike the first two films, I've never re-watched Last Stand and I haven't seen it since it was in the theatre, so I don't remember a lot of the finer details, but the two major bad aspects of it that I recall were: 1. TOO MANY CHARACTERS. This is typical of sequels as they get further down the line. 2. Why did they decide to marry the Dark Phoenix saga with the "cure" storyline that happened over 20 years later in the comics? They have nothing to do with each other and it's obvious in the film. PICK ONE! There were probably a lot of smaller things that I don't really recall, but if the above aspects had been addressed, it might have at least been an okay movie. I did like one thing. The scene where they visit the place where Cyclops was apparently killed, and his visor and other objects are floating around was eerie and beautiful in a dark way. Well done. I completely agree with you that this film has way TOO MANY CHARACTERS and that alone killed it for me and I haven't seen it after spending 5 hours with my friends that wanted to see this movie and they were very much crazy about it and I was the only one that did not care for it. Please understand me, the scene that Cyclops was killed broke my heart and I was feeling very LOW when it's appeared to me and I do recall objects are being floated around and like you said earlier it's was too well done of the scene and they made it that way so that everyone can remembered it. I did not like that one bit. Please understand that. Other than, what you have written here is SPOT ON and I just wanted to say this ... I understand exactly what you are saying here. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 25, 2017 17:51:30 GMT -5
If you thought there were to many characters in that movie, wait until Avengers: infinity War.  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 25, 2017 19:22:12 GMT -5
X2 is probably my favorite, though First Class is pretty close (too many historical glitches, though). I never thought the second half fell apart; but, it does have issues. Agree about the females. I doubt Bryan Singer would overtly sexualize them; it's not quite his interest. I do think a good chunk of the problem is in the script. There are logic issues; but, I haven't seen a superhero film yet that didn't at least have one or two of those. I've always thought they had too many characters jockeying for screen time, while the writers only focus on about three or four.
I didn't bother with Last Stand. Brett Ratner is poison to me and I skipped it. Every clip I have seen has made me glad I did. I think the Dark Phoenix and Cure storyline issues arise from the original intent of the film and the revamped production. Singer intended to go into Dark Phoenix and so did Mathew Vaughn; but, that's not really what we get.
Quite frankly, I've never thought much of Halle Berry in these things. She isn't helped by the script but she also comes across like she is above being in the film. She and Singer notoriously got into it during filming of X2, though it sounds like several people had run-ins with Singer. Sounds like the pressure got to him or something else.
I've never been fully satisfied with any of the X-Men films, as they don't capture the feel of my favorite material; either the swashbuckling stuff from the early Cockrum and Claremont stories or the Byrne and Claremont stuff. To me, they have always been more Wolverine films, with the rest there as a supporting cast, though Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan are too good to be outshone.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 25, 2017 20:04:08 GMT -5
If you thought there were to many characters in that movie, wait until Avengers: infinity War. Yeah, honestly, I'm pretty burnt out on the Marvel stuff, except for GotG. Age of Ultron wasn't good, nor were the last two Cap movies. The more they add the further they get from the purity and directness of the original concept...which is why the first film, and sometimes the second, are always the best. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 25, 2017 21:03:54 GMT -5
It seems that most of the time, the 3rd movie sucks and is the money grab. Just ask Godfather 3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 9:44:12 GMT -5
If you thought there were to many characters in that movie, wait until Avengers: infinity War. Overkill of Overkill ... I just couldn't keep track of them all and it's made my mind spinning like an endless TOP! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 10:34:46 GMT -5
It seems that most of the time, the 3rd movie sucks and is the money grab. Just ask Godfather 3. And Spider-Man 3 |
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Post by badwolf on Mar 26, 2017 13:55:10 GMT -5
It seems that most of the time, the 3rd movie sucks and is the money grab. Just ask Godfather 3. And Spider-Man 3 And Captain America 3 (why was it even a Cap film when it had all the Avengers in it?) |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 26, 2017 15:15:37 GMT -5
And Captain America 3 (why was it even a Cap film when it had all the Avengers in it?) I thought Civil War was a fantastic superhero film. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 26, 2017 16:29:52 GMT -5
And Captain America 3 (why was it even a Cap film when it had all the Avengers in it?) I thought Civil War was a fantastic superhero film. Ditto. Not quite as good as Winter Soldier, but both strove to be more than a mindless blockbuster, asking serious questions about the genre and challenging (non-comics reader) audience expectations. Zemo using psychological warfare against heroes he could never challenge physically was a brilliant alternative to powerhouses like Loki and Ultron. Also, Giant-Man!!!!! Cei-U! I summon the fanboy vapors! |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 26, 2017 17:08:01 GMT -5
I thought Civil War was a fantastic superhero film. Ditto. Not quite as good as Winter Soldier, but both strove to be more than a mindless blockbuster, asking serious questions about the genre and challenging (non-comics reader) audience expectations. Zemo using psychological warfare against heroes he could never challenge physically was a brilliant alternative to powerhouses like Loki and Ultron. Also, Giant-Man!!!!! Cei-U! I summon the fanboy vapors! More Giant Man was definitely a bonus. |
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Post by badwolf on Mar 26, 2017 17:31:05 GMT -5
I thought Civil War was a fantastic superhero film. Ditto. Not quite as good as Winter Soldier, but both strove to be more than a mindless blockbuster, asking serious questions about the genre and challenging (non-comics reader) audience expectations. Zemo using psychological warfare against heroes he could never challenge physically was a brilliant alternative to powerhouses like Loki and Ultron. Also, Giant-Man!!!!! I didn't like Civil War or Winter Soldier. Though I did kind of like Zemo. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 26, 2017 19:54:31 GMT -5
Winter soldier was a great film but Civil war was a serious downer. WS murdered Starks parents and we are supposed to be okay with " he was brainwashed " ? No thanks. Cap betrayed Stark.
That's the way that I see it.
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